Corona Virus spreading ... US official says no need to worry

When the government tells me I don't need to worry, then I tend to think I really do need to be concerned. But at least one report is quoting some US health officials as saying there is no need for US citizens to worry.

We know there are 4 cases in the USA, 1 case in Canada.

The Canadian case is a man who arrived sick and is in the hospital in Toronto. Canadian health officials seemed to imply that they have probably contacted all the at risk people who may have been in contact with the Chinese national on the inbound flight.

In the US, there is 1 confirmed case in Washington State, 1 in Chicago, 2 in California. I believe all the cases are foreign nationals.

China has QUARANTINED roughly 60 MILLION PEOPLE by cutting off 16 (or more) cities. The epicenter is Wuhan, a city of 11 Million people, but the quarantine was put into place after roughly 5 million people left the city for the Lunar New Year celebration, which is the heaviest travel time in China and typically has more than 100,000,000 people traveling nationally + internationally for the week long holiday period.

Official sources say there are under 2000 cases worldwide, and approximately 50 deaths. The disease is being compared to the Spanish Flu, which killed millions just about 100 years ago, but this is considered far more dangerous.

UN-official sources suggest that at least 100,000 cases exist and the disease is spreading and mutating very quickly.

REUTERS SUMMARY:
http://news.trust.org/item/20200126105121-12mxo

China scrambles to contain 'strengthening' virus
(Adds comments from mayor of Wuhan)

* Coronavirus' transmission ability getting stronger

* Incubation 1-14 days, infectious during incubation

* China confirms 1,975 people infected, 56 dead

* U.S. to evacuate diplomatic staff, citizens from Wuhan

* China imposes temporary nationwide ban on sale of wildlife

By Gabriel D. Crossley and Cheng Leng

BEIJING/SHANGHAI, Jan 26 (Reuters) - The ability of the new coronavirus to spread is strengthening and infections could continue to rise, China's National Health Commission said on Sunday, with more than 2,000 people in China infected and 56 killed by the disease.

Health authorities around the world are racing to prevent a pandemic after a handful of cases of infection were reported outside China, including in Thailand, Australia, the United States and France.

The mayor of Wuhan, the epicentre of the outbreak, said he expected another 1,000 new patients in the city, which was stepping up construction of special hospitals.

The newly identified coronavirus has created alarm because much about it is still unknown, such as how dangerous it is and how easily it spreads between people. It can cause pneumonia, which has been deadly in some cases.

China's National Health Commission Minister Ma Xiaowei said the incubation period for the virus can range from one to 14 days, during which infection can occur, which was not the case with Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).

SARS was a coronavirus that originated in China and killed nearly 800 people globally in 2002 and 2003.

"According to recent clinical information, the virus' ability to spread seems to be getting somewhat stronger," Ma told reporters.

The Lunar New Year holiday, traditionally celebrated by hundreds of millions of Chinese travelling around the country and abroad to see family, began on Friday but has been severely disrupted by the outbreak.

Ma said China would intensify its containment efforts, which have so far included transportation and travel curbs and the cancellation of big events.

The country may extend the week-long Lunar New Year holiday, state broadcaster CCTV reported, citing a meeting hosted by Chinese premier Li Keqiang.

The virus, believed to have originated late last year in a seafood market in Wuhan that was illegally selling wildlife, has spread to cities including Beijing and Shanghai. Hong Kong has six confirmed cases.

The World Health Organisation this week stopped short of calling the outbreak a global health emergency, but some health experts question whether China can contain the epidemic.

Chinese President Xi Jinping described the situation as "grave" on Saturday.

China confirmed 2,051 cases of infection as of 7 p.m. (1100 GMT) on Jan. 26, while the death toll from the virus remained at 56, state broadcaster CCTV reported.

Health officials in Orange County, California, reported that a third case had been registered in the United States in a traveller from Wuhan, who was in isolation and in good condition.

On Saturday, Canada declared a first "presumptive" confirmed case in a resident who had returned from Wuhan. Australia confirmed its first four cases.

No fatalities have been reported outside China.

WILDLIFE SALES BAN

On Sunday, China temporarily banned nationwide the sale of wildlife in markets, restaurants, and e-commerce platforms. Wild and often poached animals packed together in Chinese markets are blamed as incubators for viruses to evolve and jump the species barrier to humans.

Snakes, peacocks, crocodiles and other species can also be found for sale via Taobao, an e-commerce website run by Alibaba.

The New York-based Wildlife Conservation Society called on China to make the ban permanent.

The U.S. State Department said it will relocate personnel at its Wuhan consulate to the United States, while Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said his government was working with China to arrange a charter flight for Japanese nationals to return from Wuhan.

The outbreak has prompted widening curbs on movements within China, with Wuhan, a city of 11 million, on virtual lockdown and transport links all-but severed except for emergency vehicles.

CANCELLATIONS AND MISTRUST

Health authorities in Beijing urged people not to shake hands but instead salute using a traditional cupped-hand gesture. The advice was sent in a text message that went out to mobile phone users in the city on Sunday morning.

Beijing also postponed the reopening of the city's schools and universities after the Lunar New Year holiday, state radio reported. Hong Kong had already delayed the reopening of schools to Feb. 17.

China has called for transparency in managing the crisis, after a cover-up of the spread of the SARS virus eroded public trust, but officials in Wuhan have been criticised for their handling of the current outbreak.

"People in my hometown all suspect the real infected patients number given by authorities," said Violet Li, who lives in the Wuhan district where the seafood market is located.

Illustrating the extend of disruption to life in China, overall passenger travel declined by nearly 29% on Saturday, the first day of the Lunar New Year, from a year earlier, with air passengers down nearly 42%, a transportation ministry official said.

Many cinemas across China were closed with major film premieres postponed.

Cruise operators including Royal Caribbean Cruises, and Costa Cruises said they had cancelled a combined 12 cruises that had been scheduled to embark from Chinese ports before Feb. 2.

Hong Kong Disneyland and the city's Ocean Park were closed on Sunday. Shanghai Disneyland, which expected 100,000 visitors daily through the holiday period, has already closed.

Airports around the world have stepped up screening of passengers from China, although some health officials and experts have questioned the effectiveness of these efforts.
 
I got the second one yesterday. Pfizer. I'm feeling pretty shitty today.
That's how it was with me. It only lasted about 24-hours and then nothing. I awoke in a sweat about 2:30 in the morning but felt a lot better. Since then absolutely nothing. You'll be fine tomorrow ... and almost bullet proof. :slider3:
 
That's how it was with me. It only lasted about 24-hours and then nothing. I awoke in a sweat about 2:30 in the morning but felt a lot better. Since then absolutely nothing. You'll be fine tomorrow ... and almost bullet proof. :slider3:
Yeah, I'm feeling better too. Fever, chills and VERY tired for 24 hours. The woman who gave me the shot poked me on top of my arm so the pain migrated up and over the top of my shoulder. I had to use a heating pad for that when I was sleeping.
 
Yeah, I'm feeling better too. Fever, chills and VERY tired for 24 hours. The woman who gave me the shot poked me on top of my arm so the pain migrated up and over the top of my shoulder. I had to use a heating pad for that when I was sleeping.
My sister in law had the Pfizer shot. You report the same reactions that she reported to me. My brother seemed less bothered by the 2nd shot. So I guess we are just all different in how we react to these jabs. The good news is that the 1st shot gave you enough immunity to pretty much keep you alive and out of the hospital if you were to have contracted Covid. This 2nd shot gives you enough immunity to greatly reduce risk of even getting the virus at all. Give it a couple weeks build the immunity in your system. Let's all go out and enjoy life again.
 
Covid is now on the RISE again in the USA. But just barely. In fact it is growing in states with HIGH VACCINATION RATES. Reports I'm finding shows it is spreading in younger people (under the age of 50). 10-14% of the population fully vaccinated across the United States. A number that I believe is a reasonably meaningless number. The media in Chicago seems to be thinking this is important.

More importantly, looks like we have protected the MAJORITY of the people aged 50 and above with at least 1 injection of the predominately 2 injection vaccines. 80% of all the hospitalizations occur in people aged 55+ years old. 98% of all deaths occur in people aged 55+. So as a population group, people over 55 years old are the highest risk. 1 shot of either of the 2 part vaccines is enough to prevent hospitalizations and death. So the fact that a majority have gotten at least 1 shot should dramatically reduce deaths and hospitalizations.

We know that younger people are at minimal risk of needing hospitalization with Covid. HOWEVER the UK variant does tend to affect younger people and cause a few more complications. It is a growing concern and that variant is spreading very quickly. Still, a healthy younger person is at fairly modest risk, even with the new variants. And vaccinations are now moving into younger age groups.

Europe is in trouble. Paris hospitals are now sending Covid patients to hospitals in the countryside because their intensive care units are overrun and the hospitals can't handle the patient load. Germany is entering a new phase of lockdowns, which were already far more severe than anything we have seen in the USA. FULL STORY AT THE LINK:


Germany Orders Most Restrictive COVID Lockdown Yet Over Easter Weekend

We noted yesterday that Chancellor Angela Merkel had succeeded in persuading the leaders of Germany's 16 states to agree to another extension of the federal lockdown. And while initial reports about Merkel's proposal noted that Germans would receive a reprieve allowing them to spend the Easter holiday with family, apparently, the government appears to have changed its mind again and decided to tighten restrictions to the toughest point yet during a brief stretch coinciding with the Easter holiday weekend to try to defuse a “third wave” of Covid-19 infections fueled by faster-spreading mutations.​
All but the most important services will be closed during the lockdown period, according to RT. Noting that the country is in a "race" to combat the pandemic, Merkel outlined the nationwide shutdown during a news conference early on Tuesday, saying that not only will existing restrictions be extended to April 18, but that most businesses will be made to close their doors for at least five days beginning on the first of the month (just before the April 4 holiday) in what appears to be the most restrictive lockdown in Germany since the start of the pandemic.​


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It also looks like the OXFORD-AstraZenica vaccine is in more trouble.

While widely used in many parts of the world, and while the USA is sitting on 35,000,000 doses in a stockpile, the drug company is under fire for releasing partial and misleading information. Full Story at LINK:

One day after proclaiming to the world that an extremely thorough and credible study based in the US (but carried out both in the US and across South America) had shown its jab to be 79% effective at preventing COVID (and 100% effective at preventing serious cases of the virus-caused disease) US officials are slamming the drug company and the data for possibly misrepresenting the vaccine's efficacy.​
Earlier Tuesday morning, US officials issued an unusual statement expressing concerns the company had included "outdated information" from its study and that it may have provided "an incomplete view of the efficacy data." The concern, according to the Data and Safety Monitoring Board (the group responsible for overseeing trials of new medication and vaccines), is that the report included "outdated information" which may have provided "an incomplete view" of the efficacy data.
 
Indiana lifting mask mandate and full open for businesses that are currently capacity limited. All businesses are open but some are limited on capacity. Also anyone who wants a vaccine age 16+ can get vaccinated. All this begins at the end of the month.

Just got Dasha, my 19 year old fencing student an appointment for vaccination on April 5. She will have to Uber off campus to downtown South Bend after class. She will get the Pfizer vaccine. As she travels internationally and as there is a lot of talk about "vaccine passports" for travel, it makes sense for her to get the shot. Thankfully the timing is working out well as she will get the 2nd dose before the end of the school year.
 
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I had my first Pfizer vaccine yesterday, and I'm feeling fine today.
It's the second one that kilz ya. ;)

Nah! Just kidding. I had a slight reaction to the second one and my wife, who is allergic to just about everything, didn't any reaction at all. In three weeks you'll be bullet proof.

What is starting to worry me a little, not for me but for others, is people who have caught Covid, recovered and get vaccinated. My son who is working in Dubai caught the virus. He was treated, recovered and is back at work but he was told he could not receive a vaccine shot until at least 3 months had passed. That didn't upset him all that much as right now they are administering the Chinese vaccine and in 3 months they should have switched to the Pfizer. Also, a couple we know both caught the virus and the guy was pretty sick with it and still has symptoms after his so called "recovery". They both got their first shot last week within 2 months of having recovered. The lady had no problem but her husband went into shock during the 15 minute observation period after the shot. The nursing staff in attendance handled it and he was allowed to go home after a prolonged observation period. It just shows that there is still so much that we don't know about this virus and the vaccine we are using to hopefully prevent it.
 
MASK MANDATE ENDS SOON: In two weeks, Hoosiers will be urged to, but no longer required to, wear a mask in public.
Face coverings WILL remain mandatory in most school buildings, state buildings and facilities, and in all vaccination and COVID-19 testing sites until further notice. Private businesses, restaurants, offices, chain stores, etc may continue their own mask mandates.

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My son who is working in Dubai caught the virus. He was treated, recovered and is back at work but he was told he could not receive a vaccine shot until at least 3 months had passed. That didn't upset him all that much as right now they are administering the Chinese vaccine and in 3 months they should have switched to the Pfizer.
The Sinovac vaccine, from China, is the one vaccine that seems to have no publicly available testing/efficacy/safety data
 
The Sinovac vaccine, from China, is the one vaccine that seems to have no publicly available testing/efficacy/safety data
And that's why he isn't too upset by the 3-month delay. :)

He actually wants to wait until he gets back to the UK and gets the AstraZeneca vaccine even though that seems to be having its problems in Europe. I told him that if he gets the opportunity to get the Pfizer shot in Dubai.
 
And that's why he isn't too upset by the 3-month delay. :)

He actually wants to wait until he gets back to the UK and gets the AstraZeneca vaccine even though that seems to be having its problems in Europe. I told him that if he gets the opportunity to get the Pfizer shot in Dubai.
I think I'd gladly take the OX/AZ vaccine, the J&J, Pfizer or the Moderna vaccines.

From what I've also seen the Russian Sputnik V vaccine also looks to be very good and safe, there are now published reports on safety/efficacy for the Russian vaccine too.

Cuba has a couple that probably will be good too, but are still in trials. But the Sinovac seems to be low efficacy and has not shared any real data or studies.
 
Covid is RISING in the US again.

Nationwide we are up in 25 States and the rate is 1.5%

Nothing really alarming about that at all.

But some states are surging and some states are declining. Michigan is up 50% while Texas is still dropping 17 days after the governor lifted the mask mandate. Also interesting to note that some of the states with high growth also have higher than average vaccination rates ... but MOST of the new cases are younger people, below the age of 40, while most of the vaccinations are occurring in older people, above the age of 50.

My take on all this is that there are "hot spots" of the new variants that are popping up. The variants seem to spread quickly in younger people.

It will be interesting to see what happens as we get more and more people vaccinated. Will hospitalizations stay low as younger people are lower risk, or will the new variants like the one from BRAZIL, prove to be more dangerous to the younger people. We know that Brazil is having much higher incidence of death and hospitalization of people under 40 than we've seen with the original Chinese virus. The UK variant also seems to be more contagious among younger people, but not more lethal.
 
I sure hope this vaccine stuff is something that we don't have to go through every year.

Any info on the nasal vaccine? If it's already on here, I apologize.
 
Any info on the nasal vaccine? If it's already on here, I apologize.
There is a nasal spray being tested, not sure if it’s a vaccine.

There is an oral (pill) vaccine that is going into trials that certainly would make distribution easy.
 
I sure hope this vaccine stuff is something that we don't have to go through every year.

I read somewhere that Pfizer says that its vaccine is effective for up to 6 months. As time goes by and we get more data that timeframe may be extended ... or not.
 
At 12-15 there immune system is 100%
I agree that the younger teens' numbers are low. If Pfizer can figure out how to get them all a little safer, I'm all for it.

https://apnews.com/article/pfizer-c...ounger-teens-43b33e2b90ee8660c5a4d9d161331f9e

"Children represent about 13% of COVID-19 cases documented in the U.S. And while children are far less likely than adults to get seriously ill, at least 268 have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. alone and more than 13,500 have been hospitalized, according to a tally by the American Academy of Pediatrics. That’s more than die from the flu in an average year. Additionally, a small number have developed a serious inflammatory condition linked to the coronavirus."
 
My son Jeff got his first dose of Moderna yesterday. That was at 3pm.
By 8pm he told me he felt like shit and was running a temp.
I checked up on him at midnight and he said he felt fine.
This morning his arm is very sore.

One of my old college friends got the single dose Johnson and Johnson last week. She lives in Kent, Ohio/Portage Co.
No side effects whatsoever.
 
I read somewhere that Pfizer says that its vaccine is effective for up to 6 months. As time goes by and we get more data that timeframe may be extended ... or not.
They can only claim 6 months because that is all the actual data they have. Most doctors I know guess it will be much much longer (years) but the variants may not be effectively covered too far into the future
 
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