Corona Virus spreading ... US official says no need to worry

When the government tells me I don't need to worry, then I tend to think I really do need to be concerned. But at least one report is quoting some US health officials as saying there is no need for US citizens to worry.

We know there are 4 cases in the USA, 1 case in Canada.

The Canadian case is a man who arrived sick and is in the hospital in Toronto. Canadian health officials seemed to imply that they have probably contacted all the at risk people who may have been in contact with the Chinese national on the inbound flight.

In the US, there is 1 confirmed case in Washington State, 1 in Chicago, 2 in California. I believe all the cases are foreign nationals.

China has QUARANTINED roughly 60 MILLION PEOPLE by cutting off 16 (or more) cities. The epicenter is Wuhan, a city of 11 Million people, but the quarantine was put into place after roughly 5 million people left the city for the Lunar New Year celebration, which is the heaviest travel time in China and typically has more than 100,000,000 people traveling nationally + internationally for the week long holiday period.

Official sources say there are under 2000 cases worldwide, and approximately 50 deaths. The disease is being compared to the Spanish Flu, which killed millions just about 100 years ago, but this is considered far more dangerous.

UN-official sources suggest that at least 100,000 cases exist and the disease is spreading and mutating very quickly.

REUTERS SUMMARY:
http://news.trust.org/item/20200126105121-12mxo

China scrambles to contain 'strengthening' virus
(Adds comments from mayor of Wuhan)

* Coronavirus' transmission ability getting stronger

* Incubation 1-14 days, infectious during incubation

* China confirms 1,975 people infected, 56 dead

* U.S. to evacuate diplomatic staff, citizens from Wuhan

* China imposes temporary nationwide ban on sale of wildlife

By Gabriel D. Crossley and Cheng Leng

BEIJING/SHANGHAI, Jan 26 (Reuters) - The ability of the new coronavirus to spread is strengthening and infections could continue to rise, China's National Health Commission said on Sunday, with more than 2,000 people in China infected and 56 killed by the disease.

Health authorities around the world are racing to prevent a pandemic after a handful of cases of infection were reported outside China, including in Thailand, Australia, the United States and France.

The mayor of Wuhan, the epicentre of the outbreak, said he expected another 1,000 new patients in the city, which was stepping up construction of special hospitals.

The newly identified coronavirus has created alarm because much about it is still unknown, such as how dangerous it is and how easily it spreads between people. It can cause pneumonia, which has been deadly in some cases.

China's National Health Commission Minister Ma Xiaowei said the incubation period for the virus can range from one to 14 days, during which infection can occur, which was not the case with Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).

SARS was a coronavirus that originated in China and killed nearly 800 people globally in 2002 and 2003.

"According to recent clinical information, the virus' ability to spread seems to be getting somewhat stronger," Ma told reporters.

The Lunar New Year holiday, traditionally celebrated by hundreds of millions of Chinese travelling around the country and abroad to see family, began on Friday but has been severely disrupted by the outbreak.

Ma said China would intensify its containment efforts, which have so far included transportation and travel curbs and the cancellation of big events.

The country may extend the week-long Lunar New Year holiday, state broadcaster CCTV reported, citing a meeting hosted by Chinese premier Li Keqiang.

The virus, believed to have originated late last year in a seafood market in Wuhan that was illegally selling wildlife, has spread to cities including Beijing and Shanghai. Hong Kong has six confirmed cases.

The World Health Organisation this week stopped short of calling the outbreak a global health emergency, but some health experts question whether China can contain the epidemic.

Chinese President Xi Jinping described the situation as "grave" on Saturday.

China confirmed 2,051 cases of infection as of 7 p.m. (1100 GMT) on Jan. 26, while the death toll from the virus remained at 56, state broadcaster CCTV reported.

Health officials in Orange County, California, reported that a third case had been registered in the United States in a traveller from Wuhan, who was in isolation and in good condition.

On Saturday, Canada declared a first "presumptive" confirmed case in a resident who had returned from Wuhan. Australia confirmed its first four cases.

No fatalities have been reported outside China.

WILDLIFE SALES BAN

On Sunday, China temporarily banned nationwide the sale of wildlife in markets, restaurants, and e-commerce platforms. Wild and often poached animals packed together in Chinese markets are blamed as incubators for viruses to evolve and jump the species barrier to humans.

Snakes, peacocks, crocodiles and other species can also be found for sale via Taobao, an e-commerce website run by Alibaba.

The New York-based Wildlife Conservation Society called on China to make the ban permanent.

The U.S. State Department said it will relocate personnel at its Wuhan consulate to the United States, while Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said his government was working with China to arrange a charter flight for Japanese nationals to return from Wuhan.

The outbreak has prompted widening curbs on movements within China, with Wuhan, a city of 11 million, on virtual lockdown and transport links all-but severed except for emergency vehicles.

CANCELLATIONS AND MISTRUST

Health authorities in Beijing urged people not to shake hands but instead salute using a traditional cupped-hand gesture. The advice was sent in a text message that went out to mobile phone users in the city on Sunday morning.

Beijing also postponed the reopening of the city's schools and universities after the Lunar New Year holiday, state radio reported. Hong Kong had already delayed the reopening of schools to Feb. 17.

China has called for transparency in managing the crisis, after a cover-up of the spread of the SARS virus eroded public trust, but officials in Wuhan have been criticised for their handling of the current outbreak.

"People in my hometown all suspect the real infected patients number given by authorities," said Violet Li, who lives in the Wuhan district where the seafood market is located.

Illustrating the extend of disruption to life in China, overall passenger travel declined by nearly 29% on Saturday, the first day of the Lunar New Year, from a year earlier, with air passengers down nearly 42%, a transportation ministry official said.

Many cinemas across China were closed with major film premieres postponed.

Cruise operators including Royal Caribbean Cruises, and Costa Cruises said they had cancelled a combined 12 cruises that had been scheduled to embark from Chinese ports before Feb. 2.

Hong Kong Disneyland and the city's Ocean Park were closed on Sunday. Shanghai Disneyland, which expected 100,000 visitors daily through the holiday period, has already closed.

Airports around the world have stepped up screening of passengers from China, although some health officials and experts have questioned the effectiveness of these efforts.
 
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PG, just curious, does that mean that OHIO is now "open for business" again?
Looks like they just rewrote the orders.
This link.
Like we aren't already confused enough.

 
Looks like they just rewrote the orders.
This link.
Like we aren't already confused enough.

So you are still under some sort of business restrictions?

Indiana has lifted ALL restrictions on businesses, ended the mask mandate, etc. Businesses may choose to have a mask policy but there is no longer any restriction on restaurant capacity, social distancing, etc

When I saw your post I was wondering if Ohio was doing something similar.
 
So you are still under some sort of business restrictions?

Indiana has lifted ALL restrictions on businesses, ended the mask mandate, etc. Businesses may choose to have a mask policy but there is no longer any restriction on restaurant capacity, social distancing, etc

When I saw your post I was wondering if Ohio was doing something similar.
Yes still under restrictions.
It just seems like we're being strung along.
None of it makes sense.
 
And another reason to NOT want to get Covid19

Full story is at the link but here is the first part of the article: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/third-covid-survivors-suffer-neurological-223000621.html



A third of COVID survivors suffer neurological or mental disorders -study

Tue, April 6, 2021, 5:30 PM
By Kate Kelland

LONDON, April 6 (Reuters) - One in three COVID-19 survivors in a study of more than 230,000 mostly American patients were diagnosed with a brain or psychiatric disorder within six months, suggesting the pandemic could lead to a wave of mental and neurological problems, scientists said on Tuesday.

Researchers who conducted the analysis said it was not clear how the virus was linked to psychiatric conditions such as anxiety and depression, but that these were the most common diagnoses among the 14 disorders they looked at.

Post-COVID cases of stroke, dementia and other neurological disorders were rarer, the researchers said, but were still significant, especially in those who had severe COVID-19.

"Our results indicate that brain diseases and psychiatric disorders are more common after COVID-19 than after flu or other respiratory infections," said Max Taquet, a psychiatrist at Britain's Oxford University, who co-led the work.

The study was not able to determine the biological or psychological mechanisms involved, he said, but urgent research is needed to identify these "with a view to preventing or treating them".

Health experts are increasingly concerned by evidence of higher risks of brain and mental health disorders among COVID-19 survivors. A previous study by the same researchers found last year that 20% of COVID-19 survivors were diagnosed with a psychiatric disorder within three months.

The new findings, published in the Lancet Psychiatry journal, analysed health records of 236,379 COVID-19 patients, mostly from the United States, and found 34% had been diagnosed with neurological or psychiatric illnesses within six months.

The disorders were significantly more common in COVID-19 patients than in comparison groups of people who recovered from flu or other respiratory infections over the same time period, the scientists said, suggesting COVID-19 had a specific impact. . . .
 
Today the University of Notre Dame joined a growing list of both PUBLIC and PRIVATE colleges that will REQUIRE a Covid vaccination before students can arrive on campus in the fall of 2021.

I personally believe that getting a Covid19 vaccine is a good idea ... BUT there is no way that I support MANDATORY vaccinations. I also strongly oppose the so-called "vaccine passports" that seem to be gaining favor with the authoritarians. We should not need to prove to private businesses, airlines, or public entities that we have had a specific vaccine.
 
Actually, I think that I already have a "vaccine passport". I have a card from the hospital that administered the shots that shows the location, date and time, the maker of the vaccine, and other relevant data. It's filed away somewhere but it should satisfy anyone interested in such information. Other than that there is no way that I am going to carry an official vaccine passport. Screw them.
 
Actually, I think that I already have a "vaccine passport". I have a card from the hospital that administered the shots that shows the location, date and time, the maker of the vaccine, and other relevant data. It's filed away somewhere but it should satisfy anyone interested in such information. Other than that there is no way that I am going to carry an official vaccine passport. Screw them.
The vaccine passport that they are referring to is some sort of ELECTRONIC passport that would be on your smartphone. It would be a unique Quick Scan code, you would display it to gain entry to restaurants, sporting events, airlines, etc. Basically in order to live your life again you would be forced to walk around and have your code scanned by any private business or public entity that chooses to require it.

It would be updatable with OTHER medical information, additional vaccines, etc.

Currently several major air carriers are working on a scheme like this, as is the state of New York, as is the whole European Union and many others. Google and all the big players in Silicone Valley are working on their own schemes too.

The paper card, issued by the CDS, is too easy to fake. Many nurses have been caught stealing blank cards and filling them out falsely. That is not the vaccine passport to which is commonly referred when the term is used.
 
Vaccine passports are racist. How are the "underprivileged" expected to be able to have these when they can't even figure out how to get government issued ID.
Texas & Florida both have Executive Orders, issued by their governors, preventing mandatory "vaccine passports" within their borders.

Legislatures in Indiana and a handful of other "red" states are moving on laws to prevent a mandatory "vaccine passport" within their borders. Laws are harder to change than Executive Orders, but also harder to implement, so there are advantages and disadvantages to this approach.

New York State already has its own state issued vaccine passport. There are reports of failure and fraud already.
 
Today is the day that INDIANA colleges and universities will begin to vaccinate their students.

The State of Indiana sent vaccines, of sufficient quantities to vaccinate all students + staff, to nearly all (perhaps all) colleges and universities in the state. At least to the campuses that have residence units where the students primarily live on/near campus. I'm not sure if they are also vaccinating at community colleges other than the state operated community colleges.

Most of the schools are making this optional (for now). Several colleges and universities are making it MANDATORY for students to return to campus NEXT SEMESTER but for now the vaccines are not required.

Indiana sent the PFIZER vaccine to these universities as that vaccine is approved for students aged 16 and older.
 
Was listening to the news on the radio a little while ago. Report said some people are getting the COVID fully vaccinated. Fauci said they must have compromised immune systems. Thats classic, it just doesn't get any better:ROFLMAO:
 
Was listening to the news on the radio a little while ago. Report said some people are getting the COVID fully vaccinated. Fauci said they must have compromised immune systems. Thats classic, it just doesn't get any better:ROFLMAO:
We had a woman pass from complications of testing positive for covid after she'd already had it last year, AND she had received both Moderna vaccines.
She did not pass at our facility, but at the hospital in Toledo. Last week.
Looks like we're back to all social distancing, still in masks, blah blah blah..
Nothing is changing.
We're basically the same as Michigan.
 
Was listening to the news on the radio a little while ago. Report said some people are getting the COVID fully vaccinated. Fauci said they must have compromised immune systems. Thats classic, it just doesn't get any better:ROFLMAO:

The vaccines claim to be roughly 70% to 95% effective.

So it is actually logical that SOME people who are vaccinated with get covid. That should NOT be a surprise to anyone. But look at the data. Seriously look at the actual data. There are literally over 100,000,000 million people fully vaccinated and a couple hundred fully vaccinated got Covid. Of those couple hundred who got covid, only a couple dozen got sick enough to end up in the hospital.

Do the math, those are great odds.
 
USA may be close to reaching all the people who actually WANT the vaccine. But once we meet demand, will we have administered enough to reach "herd immunity" in the population?

Herd immunity is estimated to be about 80% of the population as either recovered from Covid -or- immunized with the vaccine. Originally Dr Fauci said 'herd' would be about 70%, but now the more contagious variants have taken over and more reliable scientists (who are less political than Fauci) suggest that herd is roughly 80% of the population. The combined immunized & recovered in the US population is not even close to 70%.


America may be close to hitting a vaccine wall

There are growing signs that parts of the country may be close to meeting demand for the coronavirus vaccine — well before the U.S. has reached herd immunity.
Why it matters: For the last few months, the primary focus of the U.S. has been getting shots to everyone who wants them, as quickly as possible. Soon, that focus will abruptly shift to convincing holdouts to get vaccinated.
State of play: Red states in the South are administering the lowest portion of the vaccine doses that they receive from the federal government — a sign of low demand, slow public health systems, or both.
  • The most vaccine-reluctant Americans are white Republicans, polling has found.
By the numbers: On average, states have administered 76% of the doses they've received from the federal government. New Hampshire has administered the largest share of all states, at 89.8%, while Alabama has administered the smallest — only 61.4% of its doses.
Driving the news: An analysis released by Surgo Ventures yesterday concluded that "the supply-demand shift for the vaccine will happen earlier than expected — as early as the end of April — and before the nation reaches the 70-90% threshold for achieving herd immunity."
  • It released a survey finding that 59% of U.S. adults say they're either already vaccinated, or plan to be as soon as the shot is made available to them. At the current U.S. vaccination rate, all of those vaccine-enthusiastic adults could be inoculated by the end of April.
  • Vaccination rates will then slow, and Surgo's projections show that only around 52% of Americans will be vaccinated by July. When combined with people who have already been infected, the immunity rate overall may be around 65% by then — still not high enough for herd immunity.
What they're saying: “This analysis shows that despite the general vaccine enthusiasm we are seeing now in the United States, things are going to get really difficult really soon,” said Sema Sgaier, Surgo's CEO.
  • “Without significant investment in addressing people’s barriers and making vaccines available to those below 18, reaching herd immunity will be a real challenge.
A separate survey of rural Americans, released by KFF this morning, found that while they're more likely to have already been vaccinated than urban and suburban Americans, there are fewer remaining rural residents who are eager to get their shots.
  • 39% have already gotten at least one dose of the vaccine, 16% say they'll get it as soon as possible, and 15% said they want to "wait and see."
  • Another 9% said they'll only get vaccinated if required, and 21% said they definitely won't. In suburban areas, a combined 21% said they were vaccine resistant, and only a combined 16% of urban residents said the same.
  • Among rural residents who said they definitely won't get vaccinated, almost three-quarters were Republicans or Republican-leaning, and 41% were white Evangelical Christians.
The bottom line: Rural, Republican-heavy states are likely blowing through their vaccine-eager populations.
 
"The bottom line: Rural, Republican-heavy states are likely blowing through their vaccine-eager populations."

That's what we are starting to see here in East Texas.

I was talking to the manager of our CVS pharmacy and she said that when they started administering the vaccine they had a crazy three weeks followed by another crazy three weeks as people got their second shots but since then the number of people has dwindled to the point that they are taking walk-ins and anyone 16+ years old without an appointment.

I don't know if that means we are reaching a vaccine saturation point where everyone who wants the vaccine has pretty much got it. Most of the older people that I know have been vaccinated along with a lot of middle aged people. Some reckon that since they have already had COVID and recovered that they don't need the vaccine. I suppose that argument has some merit, I'm just not sure how much. I still know a few who refuse to get the shots and almost always because they don't want the Government telling them what they should and shouldn't do.
 
they are taking walk-ins and anyone 16+ years old without an appointment.
I think a lot of people just don't know that yet or just can't find a walk-in place. I just looked in my area, and the major hubs still say "no walk ins."

Rural, Republican-heavy states are likely blowing through their vaccine-eager populations.
If they would handle the covid vaccines like they do the flu shot where you can just walk in and get it when it's convenient, without having to make an appt for a specific day/time, then I think more vaccines would be administered. Hopefully, we're going to be moving toward that as more vaccines are available and more restrictions are lifted.

A lot of people just don't want to jump through all those hoops to make an online appt, some may not have internet access, and many probably just don't want to put all their personal info out there on the internet. A lot of people think the internet is evil.
 
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