I'm pretty familiar with Chloroquine as I took it for extended periods as a malaria prophylactic when I worked in Nigeria and Equatorial Guinea in West Africa. I can see why it might work against carona virus and it's relatively cheap and should be readily available and easily produced. It's been around forever. Like most anti-malarial drugs, it does have some side effects but you choose the lesser of two evils.
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Corona Virus spreading ... US official says no need to worry
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road squawker
Active member
One question In have never heard asked or addressed.
Do the people that "survive" develop immunity to further infections?
would their bodies have developed antibodies the covid 19?
... and would those antibodies be useful to develop an injection for other non infected people
Do the people that "survive" develop immunity to further infections?
would their bodies have developed antibodies the covid 19?
... and would those antibodies be useful to develop an injection for other non infected people
tiredretired
The Old Salt
Martial law comes next. I predict Gov. Gruesome will be the first to do so and appoint himself Emperor of California.
Then we all know what he will do next.
And when the asshole does that I will be living on the mountain
JimVT
Bronze Member
trump talked about that in his speech. they are researching it.
NorthernRedneck
Well-known member
Italy saw a record number of deaths last night. Not good.
https://www.rt.com/news/483666-italy-coronavirus-record-death-toll/
https://www.rt.com/news/483666-italy-coronavirus-record-death-toll/
NorthernRedneck
Well-known member
I had a few things waiting at the border and saw that effective 11:59 tonight the border is closed to all regular travel so I just made a run down. It's an hour drive from here.
Commercial trade and shipping is still being allowed across.
Commercial trade and shipping is still being allowed across.
leadarrows
Member
I don't disagree with your first point.
As to the BS part, this is not a disease where you worry about people dying. Comparing death rates to the flu is actually a bit silly.
The problem is the rate of people who end up in the hospital with this disease and need ICU care. Very few people with the flu need to go to the hospital. But depending upon the healthcare system you look at where Covid has hit, roughly 12 to 20% of the people end up in the hospital in SERIOUS condition. That overwhelms hospitals. There simply are not enough rooms. And many of those end up in ICU units and require ventilators for breathing. Again, that doesn't happen with the seasonal flu. So we will run out of hospital space and run short of available ventilators if the researchers can't find a better way to treat the serious cases.
Bob, I never thought that I'd say this but you are a sick little puppy.
Frank, not sure, is this guy your neighbor or mine
VIDEO => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTYxDMYKyiI#action=share
Frank, not sure, is this guy your neighbor or mine
VIDEO => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTYxDMYKyiI#action=share
That is hilarious.
He must be yours. Since my neighbor died last year two of his middle aged kids have been living at his place. One is a schizo Muslim who just got out of the nut house … again, and his sister who is a nutty, but not crazy, vegan who is covered in tattoos. After 22 years of peace and quiet, things have got interesting at my house. I'm lucky that they are far enough away that I don't have to deal with them unless I meet them at the gate.
I've been sitting up on my little hill for 5 days. Yesterday the State, County and City announced a "State of Disaster" until the 3rd April. That's another 2 weeks. It means that just about everything is shut down, it basically was anyway. The nearest case to me at the moment is in Tyler, 30 miles away, where there are 8 cases but Tyler is a medical hub with 2 large hospital complexes. There's no telling where those 8 cases came from. I actually feel pretty safe at the house.
NorthernRedneck
Well-known member
So far, knock on wood, we haven't had any near me. Yet which is surprising as it's a city of 110000 with roughly 10000 in nearby communities. The closest case reported today was about 8 hours away.
I think that it is important to be careful but not get carried away in the hysteria. A lot of us on here live out in the country and not in the densely populated cities where different rules may apply. My front gate is closed and locked. To come anywhere close to my house you have to climb over a fence which in Texas is trespassing and opens up a whole different set of rules and regulations, most of which I am familiar with. No, I sit on my own little part of God's country and feel relatively safe and secure.
Because things are so virus peaceful around here we make a trip for groceries next week, primarily for fresh veg. After a week we really need to replenish salad stuff. Do we need to? No! But if you have the opportunity, why not? I'm trying to not get paranoid about all this while still retaining my Scottish pragmatism.
Because things are so virus peaceful around here we make a trip for groceries next week, primarily for fresh veg. After a week we really need to replenish salad stuff. Do we need to? No! But if you have the opportunity, why not? I'm trying to not get paranoid about all this while still retaining my Scottish pragmatism.
This is my take on it too.
There may come a time when the opportunity no longer exists. But for now...
We have a few cases in my county. I expect a full blown explosion of them due to our proximity to major metro areas. But out here the air is clean, the coyotes sing at night and deer play dodgeball in traffic. Wouldn't be surprised if people up or down my road get it but I can't see them from here and they can't see me from there. Social distance is something we live. Honestly I don't even know most of my neighbors, been living here 25+ years, most others only a fraction of that, but we don't mingle with the neighbors. I wave to most of them.
I suspect that my public shopping 'window of opportunity' will close faster than many other FORUM-FORUM members because of the Chicago-Gary metro area being at my backdoor, but if I can stay on my property then I will be safe. I'm far enough out to see the glow of the city lights in the northern sky, but in a pandemic I'm still plenty close enough that people venture up to the suburban/urban madness.
The lovely Mrs_Bob has already dictated that only 1 car will be used for raiding trips into the town to go to the market/pharmacy. That vehicle will only be driven by her. She will carry sanitizer ON HER PERSON and also INSIDE the vehicle. She decided that she will be the ONLY family member to go to town and only sparingly. I have rheumatoid arthritis so she says I am at risk. Melen is diabetic, she is at risk. So the lovely Mrs_Bob decided we shall not leave and be allowed to co-mingle with the townsfolk.
She also decided that she will strip off her outer layer of clothes in the garage, proceed to the shower, and shower upon her return home.
We will see how all that goes.
But we currently have a few months worth of food, toilet paper and other supplies. Meds are the weak spot. Monthly trip to CVS will be required. They have a drive thru.
We can all try and avoid it but at some point almost all of us are going to get exposed. In some cases it might be better to get it now before all the hospitals are overloaded.
In Italy they are only admitting patients under the age of 50 to the icu. Triage is a cruel but necessary thing when the
In Italy they are only admitting patients under the age of 50 to the icu. Triage is a cruel but necessary thing when the
In many ways that is true but I am 73-years old now and have type 2 diabetes so I'm in a high risk category. I've been banned from going to town for any reason. Any visits to the big city, 5K people, will be done by my wife. She is 72 years old but has no underlying conditions. She is going to research the grocery store's curbside delivery where you call in your order, they fill it and deliver it to your car. They also have people in all night cleaning and restocking. The first hour every day is specifically for old people before it opens to the public. So, they are trying.
I'll have to see if I can get my wife to strip down in the garage before she comes back in the house. It's getting boring around here.
Well, that didn't work!
My lovely wife just spent an hour going through the grocery store's web site ordering stuff for curbside pick-up. After placing the order she got an earliest pick-up date of 4pm on March 30th. That's 9 days from now. I guess their new service is really busy and I sure hope that you are not starving to death.
The good lady says that she is going to be there at 8am tomorrow morning when they open, run in, get some fresh veg and "stuff" and head on home. I'll let you know about stripping off in the garage.
My lovely wife just spent an hour going through the grocery store's web site ordering stuff for curbside pick-up. After placing the order she got an earliest pick-up date of 4pm on March 30th. That's 9 days from now. I guess their new service is really busy and I sure hope that you are not starving to death.
The good lady says that she is going to be there at 8am tomorrow morning when they open, run in, get some fresh veg and "stuff" and head on home. I'll let you know about stripping off in the garage.
tiredretired
The Old Salt
Looking to take advantage of the supermarkets opening up early strictly for the geriatric crowd. We are all set until shortly after the first of April, then I want replenish our stash after over two weeks of usage.
I think it is best every two weeks or so going forward to restock just in case. Of course, if things change for the worse those plans will change as well.
I hope by then all the horders will be stuffed to the gills so us old farts can shop in peace and talk about how good it used to be in the old days. :th_lmao:
I think it is best every two weeks or so going forward to restock just in case. Of course, if things change for the worse those plans will change as well.
I hope by then all the horders will be stuffed to the gills so us old farts can shop in peace and talk about how good it used to be in the old days. :th_lmao:
tiredretired
The Old Salt
We can all try and avoid it but at some point almost all of us are going to get exposed. In some cases it might be better to get it now before all the hospitals are overloaded.
In Italy they are only admitting patients under the age of 50 to the icu. Triage is a cruel but necessary thing when the
No, the wife and I are too old to take any chances. My bride has asthma and uses an inhaler when she needs it, mostly a seasonal thing. Me, I am 71, in good health with no serious conditions, but the calendar is against me big time. Besides, even if I were to survive it, no way I want to spread it to her and spend the next two weeks gasping for breath.
If we were still 40 or so, I would more readily agree with you.
We've only been at it for a week really but my wife is going to make a grocery run first thing tomorrow morning for veggies. They're not strictly necessary but she desperately wants to have stuff to make a salad. She'll probably pick up some other stuff if there's anything there. We don't know so she'll just have to see. Otherwise we're still good.
tiredretired
The Old Salt
As long as you can keep a balanced diet that is not going to hurt your immune system one bit. Maybe even keep it in tip top shape. Never has that been more important than now.
Our fresh veggie supply will be totally exhausted by the end of next week if not a bit sooner. That's OK, we have plenty of canned and frozen for just that eventuality. I'm not a big fan of canned veggies due to the salt content, so they are the last resort.
Bannedjoe
Well-known member
Since we sometimes have that wash that comes up a few times or more each year, we keep a pretty good stock of canned and dried goods on hand.
Our little chest freezer is packed, and so is the one on top of the fridge.
But if things get really bad, there's an abundance of rabbits and free range cattle all over the place.
I know how to deal with rabbits, but I've never whacked a cow before.
There's always calves everywhere that haven't been tagged yet too.
I've been searching the net for information on how to age, and store meat, but it mostly looks like the only thing a person without a walk in refrigerator can do is make jerky.
Most sites say the meat needs to hang at least 10 days.
Most said a freshly killed steak isn't much fun.
I'm still reading up though.
Our little chest freezer is packed, and so is the one on top of the fridge.
But if things get really bad, there's an abundance of rabbits and free range cattle all over the place.
I know how to deal with rabbits, but I've never whacked a cow before.
There's always calves everywhere that haven't been tagged yet too.
I've been searching the net for information on how to age, and store meat, but it mostly looks like the only thing a person without a walk in refrigerator can do is make jerky.
Most sites say the meat needs to hang at least 10 days.
Most said a freshly killed steak isn't much fun.
I'm still reading up though.
Some good news. I pray it is accurate.
From a very long article with lots of charts and graphs. This was recommended to me by someone in the medical field.
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A low probability of catching COVID-19
The World Health Organization (“WHO”) released a study on how China responded to COVID-19. Currently, this study is one of the most exhaustive pieces published on how the virus spreads.
The results of their research show that COVID-19 doesn’t spread as easily as we first thought or the media had us believe (remember people abandoned their dogs out of fear of getting infected). According to their report if you come in contact with someone who tests positive for COVID-19 you have a 1–5% chance of catching it as well. The variability is large because the infection is based on the type of contact and how long.
The majority of viral infections come from prolonged exposures in confined spaces with other infected individuals. Person-to-person and surface contact is by far the most common cause. From the WHO report, “When a cluster of several infected people occurred in China, it was most often (78–85%) caused by an infection within the family by droplets and other carriers of infection in close contact with an infected person.
Entire article here: https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894
It might ask you to sign up but you can refuse and still see the article.
From a very long article with lots of charts and graphs. This was recommended to me by someone in the medical field.
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A low probability of catching COVID-19
The World Health Organization (“WHO”) released a study on how China responded to COVID-19. Currently, this study is one of the most exhaustive pieces published on how the virus spreads.
The results of their research show that COVID-19 doesn’t spread as easily as we first thought or the media had us believe (remember people abandoned their dogs out of fear of getting infected). According to their report if you come in contact with someone who tests positive for COVID-19 you have a 1–5% chance of catching it as well. The variability is large because the infection is based on the type of contact and how long.
The majority of viral infections come from prolonged exposures in confined spaces with other infected individuals. Person-to-person and surface contact is by far the most common cause. From the WHO report, “When a cluster of several infected people occurred in China, it was most often (78–85%) caused by an infection within the family by droplets and other carriers of infection in close contact with an infected person.
Entire article here: https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894
It might ask you to sign up but you can refuse and still see the article.