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Corona Virus spreading ... US official says no need to worry

Well, I would say so far Trump's COVID-19 Panel's efforts to flatten the infection rate curve is working. So far so good I would say.

The European countries have really dropped the ball on this bigly and it looks like it will not be much longer for them to overwhelm their healthcare facilities and be in real deep shit.

Trump and his team seem to be doing a bang up job so far. Like I said, time will tell.

Yea, the old European Union thing where countries have no legally enforceable borders has really come back to bite their ass.

The countries that rely heavily on a nationalized health care system are going to be in a bind soon. The problem they all have is that they are all underfunded by the government because the government has to levy taxes in order to pay for the system. If the government raises the tax to a level that will meet the requirements, they won't be the government for very long. Politicians aren't stupid enough to tax themselves out of a job.

I agree, I think Trump is doing a pretty good job so far.
 
France just shut down all non-essential businesses.

England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland have been added to the NO TRAVEL list.

Most colleges in most areas seem to be closing down for several weeks. At least a few have closed for the entire semester. e-Learning seems to be the next move for major universities.

In New York, Gov, Cuomo stated a few hours ago that there are probably "thousands" of infected people walking around the state of New York.

:shitHitFan:


"This is going to be everywhere," Cuomo said. "My guess is there are thousands and thousands of cases walking around the state of New York."
 
Everything up here is shutting down. And I mean EVERYTHING. Not just sporting events. The girls guides program suspended everything for a month. A lot of churches in our city have suspended services until further notice. Our mens group had a fish fry planned for Easter. That's suspended. We were on our way out to the cabin for a scout camp when an email came in from scouts Canada suspending all scouting activities until further notice. (We played dumb and went anyways. If anyone says anything, we were out of cell service and didn't see it) So we're the last scouts in Canada doing a camp. I'm typing this from a log cabin out in the middle of nowhere an hour from civilization.

You know it's serious when the natives cancel bingo.
 
Yea, the old European Union thing where countries have no legally enforceable borders has really come back to bite their ass.

The countries that rely heavily on a nationalized health care system are going to be in a bind soon. The problem they all have is that they are all underfunded by the government because the government has to levy taxes in order to pay for the system. If the government raises the tax to a level that will meet the requirements, they won't be the government for very long. Politicians aren't stupid enough to tax themselves out of a job.

I agree, I think Trump is doing a pretty good job so far.

However, the thing that worries me the most and cannot get out of my head is the fact that all of a sudden Nancy Piglosi seemed to want to get along with everyone and readily agreed to everything the Trump Admin wanted.

Very out of character for her. Makes one wonder what she was told or was she just in a big hurry to get out of Dodge? I dunno.

Yeah, Frank, the way the EU is set up with all those open borders between them did them no favors. On top of that they were slow to close their borders and that did not help either.

Stay tuned as they say.
 
However, the thing that worries me the most and cannot get out of my head is the fact that all of a sudden Nancy Piglosi seemed to want to get along with everyone and readily agreed to everything the Trump Admin wanted.

Very out of character for her. Makes one wonder what she was told or was she just in a big hurry to get out of Dodge? I dunno.

Yeah, Frank, the way the EU is set up with all those open borders between them did them no favors. On top of that they were slow to close their borders and that did not help either.

Stay tuned as they say.

Europe isn't all that big and most of those countries are the size of our states. Maybe we should look at restricting travel between states and domestic air travel except commerce
 
Everything up here is shutting down. And I mean EVERYTHING. Not just sporting events. The girls guides program suspended everything for a month. A lot of churches in our city have suspended services until further notice. Our mens group had a fish fry planned for Easter. That's suspended. We were on our way out to the cabin for a scout camp when an email came in from scouts Canada suspending all scouting activities until further notice. (We played dumb and went anyways. If anyone says anything, we were out of cell service and didn't see it) So we're the last scouts in Canada doing a camp. I'm typing this from a log cabin out in the middle of nowhere an hour from civilization.

You know it's serious when the natives cancel bingo.

Our fencing club is staying open ... at least for a little while. I know another couple that are doing the same. But fencing clubs are small groups. All the fencing events have been cancelled but the clubs are staying open for now. We are talking about having some very strict rules. Things like no guests, no new members, no parents watching, no 'open' fencing nights, etc. etc. etc.

Our club has about 25 active fencers. We can all talk and agree on safe rules until the virus is in our area. At this point there is none locally???
 
The nation's largest machine gun shoot has been cancelled for next weekend.
Not so much due to the virus, but more due to the rains.
No one's crossing the wash unless they have a tank.

There were reports that East coaster's were cancelling for the virus before the cancellation was called, but most in the West were stilling planning on attending.

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By the way. As I like to look at the trend lines and numbers here is something to ponder.

It took 5 days for the number of US coronavirus cases to get to 1000.

US cases are right now tracking Germany with 6 day lag, so that implies we may see 2000 cases tomorrow, 3k by Friday, between 5-6k by Monday. This presumes the official tests get the results out. And tests seem to take a bit of time to report.

Could be double the above counts if clusters are found like Korea did in late February. Looking back at South Korea, they focused on a major cluster but missed several smaller clusters that popped up. As those popped up their numbers jumped. That is likely to happen in the US, just curious when it will get caught.
As of Saturday night there were 2900+ confirmed cases of Covid-19 in the USA and clearly we have far more because of the whole debacle with testing.

It is likely that if we actually had tests widely available, there would be 5-6 thousand cases by Monday.

But efforts prior to all the cancellations have not changed our curve. Hopefully with so many school closings and so many people now panic buying and hunkering in fear people will stay home for a while?
 
Something else to think about. Those still getting fresh fruit and vegies from the store. With the virus able to last on surfaces for days, will plain water wash off the virus. I'm not sure I would eat un cooked anything from the store.
 
The following is a great explanation of why social distancing is so important right now. While you are hanging out at home please take the time to read this.
This is a letter from Albert Hsu, a scientist at Los Alamos National Laboratory.
Dear Friends,
So much confusion, misinformation, and denial is bouncing around on social media about the coronavirus that I thought I would try to explain, in plain language, why the experts see this as such an emergency.
You will see the claim online that this virus is a lot like the viruses that cause colds, and that if you get it, it will probably just seem like a bad cold and you are very unlikely to die. Depending on who you are, these statements are probably true. But they are incomplete, and the missing information is the key to understanding the problem.
This is a coronavirus that is new to the human population, jumping into people late last year from some kind of animal, probably at a wildlife market in Wuhan, China. It is related to the viruses that cause colds and acts a lot like them in many ways. It is very easy to transmit through the respiratory droplets that all of us give off. But nobody has ever been exposed to this before, which means nobody has any immunity to it.
The virus is now moving explosively through the human population. While most people will recover, about 20 percent of the people who catch it will wind up with a serious disease. They will get pneumonia that causes shortness of breath, and they may need hospitalization.
Some of those people will get so sick that they cannot be saved and will die of pneumonia. The overall death rate for people who develop symptoms seems to be 2 or 3 percent. Once we have enough testing to find out how many people caught the virus but did not develop symptoms, that might come down to about 1 percent, optimistically. It could be even lower, but 1 percent is the estimate given to Congress by the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, so we will go with that.
If the number is 1 percent, that is a large number. It is at least 10 times higher than the mortality rate for the seasonal flu, for instance, which in some years kills 60,000 or 70,000 Americans. So just on that math, we could be looking at 600,000 or 700,000 dead in the United States. But it gets worse.
Older people with existing health problems are much more vulnerable, on average. The mortality rate of coronavirus among people over age 80 may be 15 or 20 percent. It appears to have 7 or 8 percent mortality for people aged 70 to 79. Here is the terrible part: If you are a healthy younger person, you can catch the virus and, without developing serious symptoms yourself, you can pass it along to older people. In other words, as the virus spreads, it is going to be very easy to go out and catch it, give it to your grandmother and kill her, even though you will not die yourself. You can apparently catch it by touching a doorknob or an elevator button, although the likeliest route seems to be droplets spreading through the air directly from one person to another.
Scientists measure the spread of an epidemic by a number called R0, or “R naught.” That number is calculated this way: for every person who develops the illness, how many other people do they give it to before they are cured (or dead) and no longer infectious? The R0 for coronavirus, in the absence of a control strategy, appears to be a number close to 3 – maybe a bit higher or lower, but in that ballpark. This is an extremely frightening number for such a deadly disease.
Suppose you catch the virus. You will give it to 3 other people, and they will each give it to three others, and so forth. Here is how the math works, where you, the “index case,” are the first line:
1
3
9
27
81
243
729
2,187
6,561
19,683
59,046
177,147
531,441
1,594,323
4,782,969
14,348,907
So, in just 15 steps of transmission, the virus has gone from just one index case to 14.3 million other people. Those 15 steps might take only a few weeks. The index person may be young and healthy, but many of those 14 million people will be old and sick, and they will likely die because they got a virus that started in one person's throat.
The United States is not at this point yet, with millions infected, as best we can tell. We don’t really know, because our government has failed us. We are many, many weeks behind other countries in rolling out widespread testing, so we don’t really have a clue how far the thing has spread. We do know that cases are starting to pop up all over the place, with many of the people having no known exposure to travelers from China, so that means this virus has escaped into our communities.
We do not have approved treatments, yet. We do not have a vaccine. The only tool we really have now is to try to slow down the chain of transmission.
This can be done. In other words, R0 is not fixed – it can be lowered by control measures. If we can get the number below 1, the epidemic will die out. This is the point of the quarantines and the contact-tracing that you are hearing so much about in the news. But the virus is exploding so fast that we will not have the labor available to trace contacts for much longer, so we have to shift strategies. This has already begun, but we are not doing it fast enough.
It is now likely that the majority of Americans will get this virus. But slowing it down is still crucial. Why? Because the healthcare system has limited resources. We only have about a million hospital beds in America. We have fewer than 100,000 ventilators. If millions of Americans get sick enough to need treatment, we will have a calamity on our hands. What will happen is a form of battlefield triage, where the doctors focus on trying to treat the young and allow the older people to die.
This is not theoretical. It is already happening in Italy, where the oldest people are being left alone on hospital gurneys to suffocate to death from pneumonia. They basically drown in their own sputum. There is simply not enough medical capacity to take care of them. The United States appears to be about two weeks behind Italy on the epidemic growth curve.
What do we need to do now? We need to cancel all large gatherings – all of them. You have probably seen that the N.B.A. has postponed the rest of its season. Other sporting events, concerts, plays and everything else involving large audiences in a small space – all of it needs to be canceled. Even if these events take place, do not go to them. No lectures, no plays, no movies, no cruises – nothing.
Stay at home as much as possible. Stay out of restaurants. I would cancel any travel that is not absolutely essential. Work from home if you possibly can. You may have to go buy groceries and medicine, of course, but make the trips quick and purposeful. Wash your hands assiduously after you have been in public places, for a full 20 seconds, soaping up thoroughly and being sure to get between the fingers. Rubbing alcohol will kill the virus, and most strong cleaners such as Lysol will do so as well.
And please stop passing around statements on social media claiming that the situation is not serious or is being exaggerated. This is a national crisis, and conveying misinformation to your friends and family may put their lives in danger.
 
Something else to think about. Those still getting fresh fruit and vegies from the store. With the virus able to last on surfaces for days, will plain water wash off the virus. I'm not sure I would eat un cooked anything from the store.

Make apple pie. Cherry pie. etc etc etc :thumbup:
 
Spray fresh food with alcohol or hydrogen peroxide and then rinse.
I leave my new unrefrigerated groceries in the bag for 3 days and spray and wipr off meat and milk packages.

I was already a germaphobe....I hadn't been going to those lengths until now.
 
Something else to think about. Those still getting fresh fruit and vegies from the store. With the virus able to last on surfaces for days, will plain water wash off the virus. I'm not sure I would eat un cooked anything from the store.

Having worked in hell holes in Africa and South America, I know that there are procedures and methods for cleaning vegetables but it has been so long that I can't remember what they are. I guess that it's another case of "Google is your Friend".
 
3244 confirmed cases in the USA according to Johns Hopkins University. A couple other sources having it higher.

Of course we are not testing enough so its likely much higher that the JHU numbers.
 
My wife works for the cra (Canadian irs). They just canceled all non essential services until April 5th. This is getting serious. Everything is shutting down. It'll be like an extended statutory holiday but won't be a vacation.
 
The death count number is still staying very low. 69 at last count in USA.

Either the death rate from this disease is extremely low or the infection rate in the US is extremely low even without all the test kits.

Something is just not adding up here.

A talking head on Fox News said yesterday there are two camps in the USA. One group says this is serious, the other it is over hype and horseshit and that before the end of the week, we will find out which group is right. I, for one, am starting to suspect it is the horseshit one.

https://www.redstate.com/darth641/2020/03/16/799728/
 
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Interesting video from Bluffton, OH.

Bluffton has a population of approximately 4400 people and a small local hospital. The numbers are easy to wrap your mind around.

Not sure how to imbed the video, but here is a link. It is well worth watching :hammer: https://vimeo.com/397672277
 
Interesting video from Bluffton, OH.

Bluffton has a population of approximately 4400 people and a small local hospital. The numbers are easy to wrap your mind around.

Not sure how to imbed the video, but here is a link. It is well worth watching :hammer: https://vimeo.com/397672277

Statistics look worse than the model I calculated for my county of 40,000 and I used a 3.4% mortality rate. This video was informative and broken-down where the simplest person can understand it. Marty
 
Ohio Gov ordered all bars and restaurants closed after 9pm Sunday night. Carry out is permitted but no dine in or drink in places open until further notice.
 
Washington state, LA and NYC just closed down all bars and restaurants.

Newsom late Sunday asks all non essential businesses to close, stopped short of ordering all bars and restraurants to close and told seniors and people with underling conditions to stay home.
 
Fauci the government face dealing with the corona virus, now open to shutting down the entire US for 14 days to flatten the curve.
 
Due to being shut in and bored, I predict there will be another baby boom in 9 months.
The question is, what will this generation be called?

Here's a few of my offerings:
Nineteeners.
Generation C, or the Covid generation.
Quareenteens.
Coronials.
 
Due to being shut in and bored, I predict there will be another baby boom in 9 months.

The question is, what will this generation be called?



Here's a few of my offerings:

Nineteeners.

Generation C, or the Covid generation.

Quareenteens.

Coronials.
I predict they'll be called "bungholials" following the great toilet paper shortage of 2020.
 
I suspect that Toluene might kill the virus.
I'm going to suggest to anyone who thinks they have the covid to stay home, and huff paint.
The benefits could be multifold.:bolt:

Expect a shortage of spray paint at your hardware.

Stock up now!!!!
 
On a more realistic note:

I had to make a trip to town yesterday.
Traffic was unusually insane.
People were traveling an average of 20 mph faster than the posted speeds on the highways.
The speed limit on I-40 out here is 75.
It was chaos.

As I was leaving town headed East, there were two cop cars traveling Westbound side by side with their lights on.
They were going only about 25 mph, and traffic was jammed up behind them for about 5 miles.
The only thing I could figure is they were trying to control the insane speeds.
 
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