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Corona Virus spreading ... US official says no need to worry

More information from Dr Campbell out of England. Much of the data is from the US. But he clearly shows that Omicron is both MORE infectious and LESS than prior covid variants. Delta is still strong in many parts of the nation, but Omicron is rapidly taking over.

Looks like Omicron will move us past the PANDEMIC and into the ENDEMIC stage, where cases are milder and it will transition into a seasonal sort of thing like the common cold, seasonal flu, etc.

In a prior video Dr Campbell looks at some new science out of South Africa, which is very promising. T Cells seem to respond well to either the vaccine or natural immunity from those previously infected. That basically means that Omicron will be statistically milder for those two groups of people. The unvaccinated who do not have natural immunity are at the greatest risk, but even that risk seems to be lower.

This video is more of a data recap.

People with weak immune system. People in poor health and old people 70 and older.
 
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A friend is feeling really bad. Flu like symptoms but he still has taste and smell. We guess that it's covid but he hasn't been tested so not sure. He's looking for a place to get tested. He has a fever, feels like crap. I see no advantage to getting tested. If he gets worse of course he'd go to ER but while feeling bad, much like how Franc described it when he had it, I see no need or advantage to get tested and have it verified. It seems obvious. But he is not feeling the taste and smell symptom that most mention.
The question: Should he get tested?
 
Question:
A friend is feeling really bad. Flu like symptoms but he still has taste and smell. We guess that it's covid but he hasn't been tested so not sure. He's looking for a place to get tested. He has a fever, feels like crap. I see no advantage to getting tested. If he gets worse of course he'd go to ER but while feeling bad, much like how Franc described it when he had it, I see no need or advantage to get tested and have it verified. It seems obvious. But he is not feeling the taste and smell symptom that most mention.
The question: Should he get tested?
I just got over this during the Christmas holiday. It took 5 days before the fever broke. I went ahead with a test since my doctor was willing to order one and I therefore wouldn't have to wait in any long line for the swab. The test was negative.

I thought it was important enough to know if I had COVID, since my wife has a significant problem with asthma.
 
His symptoms are bad in that he feels horrible. I see no need to go out and verify now while he feels so bad. No advantage to it that I know of. He lives alone so no one else to consider. He's in day three.

JP, so you didn't have covid? Edit to add: I'm guessing they can tell it was covid even after your have just got over it.
 
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Why get tested?

Simple answer, if you do test 'positive' then you can get monoclonal anti-body treatments, which are amazingly effective. But you have to ask for them. It is best if you research them in advance of getting your results, simple google search of the locations in your area. Know them when you walk in for the test. If it is positive then say you'd like the tests, say these are the sites in the area, please helm me get into one ASAP. It must come from a doctor or a LNP (at least that is how it works in my state). It cuts the severity and duration of the illness down dramatically.


On a personal side note, our daughter Melen was exposed yesterday. Presumably Omicron variant. We are waiting to see if she develops symptoms. Omicron typically presents fairly quickly, 24 to 72 hours. So we wait.
 
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Texted with him a little bit ago. He is feeling better and thinks his fever broke overnight. Still weak but most likely to late to get monoclonal anti-body treatments and get the benefit of it lessening symptoms. Early on you need to know so you don't spread it and you can get the monoclonal anti-body treatments but it seems he's past that point.
I will mention it to him though and he can decide.
 
Question:
A friend is feeling really bad. Flu like symptoms but he still has taste and smell. We guess that it's covid but he hasn't been tested so not sure. He's looking for a place to get tested. He has a fever, feels like crap. I see no advantage to getting tested. If he gets worse of course he'd go to ER but while feeling bad, much like how Franc described it when he had it, I see no need or advantage to get tested and have it verified. It seems obvious. But he is not feeling the taste and smell symptom that most mention.
The question: Should he get tested
When I got it my doctor made an appointment for the drive thru, because he said that if I got worse and had to be hospitalized they won't treat it until confirmed. I went there but the cars were wrapped around the building twice, so I came back home and never got tested.
 
His symptoms are bad in that he feels horrible. I see no need to go out and verify now while he feels so bad. No advantage to it that I know of. He lives alone so no one else to consider. He's in day three.

JP, so you didn't have covid? Edit to add: I'm guessing they can tell it was covid even after your have just got over it.
THe test came back "COVID not detected" for whatever that's worth.
 
THe test came back "COVID not detected" for whatever that's worth.
So, you are not sure if you had Covid 19 or the flu? Wish there was a way to verify one or the other just so you know.
 
The reliability of these tests is not that great.
Yup, only about 97%

But much depends on when someone is tested too. Same person can be negative 1 day and positive 2 days later without incurring any new contacts in the 48 hour interim because the tests detect viral load and have a bottom threshold.

PCR tests, in the early days, were actually too sensitive.
 
It is actually possible to have both.
Probably unrelated to the subject at hand, but waaaay back when we first began seeing our residents becoming seriously ill by the numbers (3 months before we knew about covid 19) - they were testing positive for Influenza A which quickly became septic pneumonia.
Fast forward to NOW, once again we have the flu/brand A in our facility.
Only 2 have been sent to hospital.
The other six are on o2, or have started Tamiflu.
Depends on what their doctor decides.
No covid positive except for the one therapy worker, and she's ok.
This flu though isn't messing around.
 
Probably unrelated to the subject at hand, but waaaay back when we first began seeing our residents becoming seriously ill by the numbers (3 months before we knew about covid 19) - they were testing positive for Influenza A which quickly became septic pneumonia.
Fast forward to NOW, once again we have the flu/brand A in our facility.
Only 2 have been sent to hospital.
The other six are on o2, or have started Tamiflu.
Depends on what their doctor decides.
No covid positive except for the one therapy worker, and she's ok.
This flu though isn't messing around.
I think the big risk, both with the seasonal flu and with covid is when (IF) they enters the lungs.

Covid is mild for most people if they don't have respiratory involvement. If they do, it tends to get bad fairly quickly. Pneumonia is a common complication with covid, especially for older individuals. Similar with flu.
 
Yup, only about 97%

But much depends on when someone is tested too. Same person can be negative 1 day and positive 2 days later without incurring any new contacts in the 48 hour interim because the tests detect viral load and have a bottom threshold.

PCR tests, in the early days, were actually too sensitive.
Yeah 97% effective .... "but" then the disclaimer.

So maybe not that effective unless you are in a narrow window where all the conditions line up.
 
Yeah 97% effective .... "but" then the disclaimer.

So maybe not that effective unless you are in a narrow window where all the conditions line up.
Well a lot of people do stupid things.

For example, if you get exposed by kissing your sick aunt and go for a test a couple hours later it will be negative. Even 24 hours later it will likely be negative. But wait 72 hours and it will be positive. The tests look for viral load, it takes time for your body to "grow" the virus. The instructions are fairly clear. Wait 3 to 5 days after theoretical exposure. With omicron that is actually being dropped a bit, and now testing at 48 hours if omicron is suspected, is probably smart.

I know a lot of people who go get tested too soon, then blame the test.

Sorry, but that is dumb.
 
I think the big risk, both with the seasonal flu and with covid is when (IF) they enters the lungs.

Covid is mild for most people if they don't have respiratory involvement. If they do, it tends to get bad fairly quickly. Pneumonia is a common complication with covid, especially for older individuals. Similar with flu.
Yes.
That's what happened with my son's friend MJ.
He had many pre-existing conditions as it was.
Overweight, diabetes and drank and smoked too much.
In the elderly, if they have heart or lung issues it can be a death sentence both with covid and the flu.
That's what we're seeing right now.
 
Yes.
That's what happened with my son's friend MJ.
He had many pre-existing conditions as it was.
Overweight, diabetes and drank and smoked too much.
In the elderly
, if they have heart or lung issues it can be a death sentence both with covid and the flu.
That's what we're seeing right now.
This is my observation too, and has been from about 6 or 8 months into this whole mess.

Anyone with pre-existing conditions, which typically includes most people over 65, many over 55, and some younger. Anyone with an autoimmune disease like rheumatoid arthritis or type 1 diabetes. Anyone who has type 2 diabetes or is seriously overweight (and most overweight people don't realize they are not healthy). Anyone with pulmonary issues or High blood pressure.

Basically if you are healthy you have minimal risk. If you are elderly or if you have issues (at any age) then you are at risk.

Early intervention seems to be CRITICAL for those with potential issues. But generally people who "wait it out" because there are no treatments are ignoring facts. There are actual treatments that seems to work. Here in the USA we tend to not treat it. It is why our death rate is higher than many other nations.
 
Yes.
That's what happened with my son's friend MJ.
He had many pre-existing conditions as it was.
Overweight, diabetes and drank and smoked too much.
In the elderly, if they have heart or lung issues it can be a death sentence both with covid and the flu.
That's what we're seeing right now.
Bingo. You can't really say covid killed him though. CDC has stated the same thing in 2020. If you are in good health you are fine. Take your vitamin d3 5000IU and zinc. Wash your hands for at least 30 seconds.

 
Interesting news. Covid cases have officially topped 1 Million cases per day.

Currently we have about 1,200 per day dying from Covid, but we also know that 'death' is a lagging indicator and typically follows hospitalization by 1 to 3 weeks. So we may see a surge in deaths UNLESS we find that the new Omicron version of Covid is, in fact, less fatal. Which plenty of evidence seems to suggest may be the case.

Small portion of the article below, follow the link to CNBC for the full story:


U.S. reports over 1 million new daily Covid cases as omicron surges

The U.S. reported a record number of new Covid cases on Monday, with over one million new infections.
A total of 1,082,549 new coronavirus cases were reported on Monday, according to data from Johns Hopkins University, as the highly infectious omicron variant continues to spread throughout the country.
. . .
The record single-day total may be due in part to delayed reporting from over the holiday weekend. A number of U.S. states did not report data on Dec. 31, New Year’s Eve, and many do not report data on weekends, meaning that some of these cases could be from positive tests taken on prior days.
Nonetheless, as of Jan. 3, the seven-day average of daily new U.S. cases is 480,273, meaning the U.S. has the highest 7-day average of new cases in the world, according to JHU’s rankings.
About 98,000 Americans are hospitalized with Covid-19, according to a seven-day average of data from the Department of Health and Human Services as of Jan. 3, up 32% from a week ago. That figure is approaching peak delta wave levels when about 103,000 people were in hospital beds with Covid across the country in early September, but remains lower than last winter’s high mark of roughly 137,000 U.S. hospitalizations.
The U.S. is reporting an average of about 1,200 daily Covid deaths for the week ending Jan. 3, Hopkins data shows, well below the record numbers seen following last year’s holiday season when the daily average held above 3,000 for about a month starting in January 2021. . .
 
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