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WHAT IF 20 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS VACATED AMERICA?

Right now the system isnt working. What WE feel is right isnt justice. Law doesnt equal justice nor the other way around. I partly feel this is a case of the government letting its citizens down for more votes ANNNND the corporations letting us down because of more profits ANNNNND some American parents letting both down by not instilling that a dollar is worth busting your ass for it sometimes.
But this Country WILL adjust without our illegal invaders! :soapbox: They are using scare tactics and its bullshit. (again... keeping the attractive women :) )
 
The one I liked was at a roadside rest area halfway across Nevada on I80. One of the most lonesome places in America, where people died 150 years ago when they didn't make it across the next 40 miles of desert to the nearest water.

Here I sit
With a broken heart
Ate my pills
and my truck won't start.

And scratched below that:

If those pills were any damn good you would drag the damn truck all the way to Reno.

I saw that myself, then later saw it quoted in some national publication. I think it's the all time classic of rest area graffiti!
 
paul webster said:
Are you really serious, I really hope you dont believe we are a soverign nation...
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paul webster said:
I do believe in America, and if you dont believe in US constitution, what do you believe in, ???
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So, which way is it for you?
Why don't you believe we're a sovereign nation?

Cityboy said:
Be civil in your disagreements and use lower case letters except for beginning sentences and proper nouns, etc., and you you won't upset BC Zoom so much. :poke: He's a grumpy little dude sometimes.

This is a pretty civil bunch overall, except for that Zoom character.
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Just don't post any links for him to click....that releases his inner bitch. And you don't wanna see that! :nosee:
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I resemble those statements. :rolleyes: :tiphat: What's your point?
 
waybomb said:
I want to know as well, because I hear this argument all the time.

And lay off the caps Paul Webster?
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What part of the constitution do you not understand, if they are on our soil, illegal or not, they have rights !!! whether you or I like it or not...... if they are then there is due process, what part of due process do you guys NOT understand, My opinion does not mattter, its not what we know, its what we can prove by the preponderance of the evidence.
 
fogtender said:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Article II

Section 1

5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

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This is a really neat thing to read, nowhere does it say that people that come here illegally are allowed the same rights as it's citizens.

Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5. is the definition of what an American citizen is, one that was born here or here at the time of the Adoption of the Constitution. It wasn't until later that the issue of having people coming here apply for citizenship was established.

Illegals were and are just that, Illegals and they have no constitutional rights, period....
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You are absolutely wrong if you believe that they have no rights,you are illegal at some point in time also, Remember, Remember,All, of youthat All of you and I are decended fromImmigrants and revolutionists, Winston Churchill
 
paul webster said:
You are absolutely wrong if you believe that they have no rights,you are illegal at some point in time also, Remember, Remember,All, of youthat All of you and I are decended fromImmigrants and revolutionists, Winston Churchill
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You are absolutely 100% WRONG! I am not illegal, nor have I ever been.

Me, I am talking about me, I am not talking about relatives that come over 200 years ago before we had immigration laws.

I am not sure about your point with the Constitution. No, we can't rape, kill or steal from someone just because they are not a citizen of the country or if they are here illegally. Are you telling me that the Constitution of the United States affords them the same rights as any U.S. citizen? If I refuse to hire an illegal based on his race, relegion, etc etc, can he sue me?

If they have the Constitutional rights as I do, being a natural born citizen of the U.S., then what is the difference be me, and them, other than the accent?
 
I think we should just do what alot of you guys here want, lets do this ! lets have the President start Military Law, have all the soldiers start rounding up people, and if they dont have their documents on their person they are automatically SHOT ON THE SPOT, but lets not play favorites here, any and ALL people are subject to this with out any subjection to race, or age or color, and If I am on the streets with out my papers I will be shot on the spot to, all grandmas, grand fathers, young and old alike, where would you guys like to start, what state, ALASKA, Wisconsin, Colorado ? where, THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS SOUND LIKE......
 
Tractors4u said:
You are absolutely 100% WRONG! I am not illegal, nor have I ever been.

Me, I am talking about me, I am not talking about relatives that come over 200 years ago before we had immigration laws.

I am not sure about your point with the Constitution. No, we can't rape, kill or steal from someone just because they are not a citizen of the country or if they are here illegally. Are you telling me that the Constitution of the United States affords them the same rights as any U.S. citizen? If I refuse to hire an illegal based on his race, relegion, etc etc, can he sue me?

If they have the Constitutional rights as I do, being a natural born citizen of the U.S., then what is the difference be me, and them, other than the accent?
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Mr truck guy, your ancestors are illegal, whether you like it or not, same as me,the US broke the treaties, the white man stole this country from the American indians, so, unless you are a native indian, you too are illegal, like me...
 
paul webster said:
Mr truck guy, your ancestors are illegal, whether you like it or not, same as me,the US broke the treaties, the white man stole this country from the American indians, so, unless you are a native indian, you too are illegal, like me...
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As I stated before, the Native American did not have any real estate or immigration laws, therefore the founding fathers did not do anything illegal when they came to this country. How can you break a law that is not there?

How can you steal something that at the time no one claimed they owned?

My ancestors did not come to this country until the late 1800's and the early 1900's, so how could they break the law when they followed all of the immigration laws?

I do go along with shooting the illegals on sight after a twenty four hour period just to verify that they are in the country illegally. I do believe that we finally have a consensus.:poke:
 
Boy, you must be really either in the dark or never studied American History, if we did not break any laws, then why did the white man feel that we had to enter into any land and peace treaties with the american indians ???? And then break them I might ad, but thats another debate....
 
REDDOGTWO said:
As I stated before, the Native American did not have any real estate or immigration laws, therefore the founding fathers did not do anything illegal when they came to this country. How can you break a law that is not there?

How can you steal something that at the time no one claimed they owned?

My ancestors did not come to this country until the late 1800's and the early 1900's, so how could they break the law when they followed all of the immigration laws?

I do go along with shooting the illegals on sight after a twenty four hour period just to verify that they are in the country illegally. I do believe that we finally have a consensus.:poke:
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there were not any immigration laws back then , read your own double negative....
 
paul webster said:
Boy, you must be really either in the dark or never studied American History, if we did not break any laws, then why did the white man feel that we had to enter into any land and peace treaties with the american indians ???? And then break them I might ad, but thats another debate....
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Did quite well in history, both in high school and college. I do not feel that I am in the dark or ever had been.

What laws did they break? There were no laws at the time that were broken as they was no law against what they did.

The reason that there were peace treaties with the Native Americans was it was a lot easier than annihilating the whole population, as far as the treaties being broken, they were just renegotiated.:smileywac

The Native Americans that were relocated, how do you think that they came to be where they were, they just relocated the Native population that was there before they were. This is the history of mankind, if you want an area, you go in and take it if possible.

That is the whole problem, the rest of the population of the world like what they see here and are trying to take over the United States. We are being invaded by hordes of people who want to live here and push us out, the problem being is that there are to many that claim that they have rights beyond what is given to them in our Constitution and continue to help them obtain their goal. It is a conspiracy to take over our country.
 
Sir ,WE, stole North America form the indians, sad, but true, then we put them on reservations.... this debate has become old, even for a retired fly fisherman like me......... can anyone tell me how to delete the e-mails from coming, I had 26 from forums at 9am today, thanks
 
paul webster said:
Sir ,WE, stole North America form the indians, sad, but true, then we put them on reservations.... this debate has become old, even for a retired fly fisherman like me......... can anyone tell me how to delete the e-mails from coming, I had 26 from forums at 9am today, thanks
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The island of Manhattan was purchased from the Native Americans for the price of sixty guilders. A lot of the other parts of this country was also purchased from the Native population. This is not stealing. Read a history book on some of these purchases, it is there.

How can someone in good conscience claim that we stole this country from the Native Americans who had stolen parts of it from other Native Americans and then turn around and try to defend the invading army that we now have.

If you do not believe that it is an invading army, look at the gangs in the LA area and how they have taken over parts of the city.
 
REDDOGTWO said:
The island of Manhattan was purchased from the Native Americans for the price of sixty guilders. A lot of the other parts of this country was also purchased from the Native population. This is not stealing. Read a history book on some of these purchases, it is there.

How can someone in good conscience claim that we stole this country from the Native Americans who had stolen parts of it from other Native Americans and then turn around and try to defend the invading army that we now have.

If you do not believe that it is an invading army, look at the gangs in the LA area and how they have taken over parts of the city.
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You cant really be from N.D, Immigration is this, if someone enters with out inspection, they are here illegally, period... they have rights to rectify the situation, 90 days to leave, or get the10 year ban, but there are some exceptions, and that is the point I am trying to get across to you guys, I do not have all the answers, I just know that everone, legal or not has the right to due process,and legal representation, reguardless if its for a parking ticket, illegal entry,or murder, they have that right here in the United States.....
 
paul webster said:
You cant really be from N.D, Immigration is this, if someone enters with out inspection, they are here illegally, period... they have rights to rectify the situation, 90 days to leave, or get the10 year ban, but there are some exceptions, and that is the point I am trying to get across to you guys, I do not have all the answers, I just know that everone, legal or not has the right to due process,and legal representation, reguardless if its for a parking ticket, illegal entry,or murder, they have that right here in the United States.....
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Why, if I may ask, can I not be from North Dakota?

Here is a link to the definition of Immigration, please note that immigration and illegal immigration are two different things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration
 
paul webster said:
You are absolutely wrong if you believe that they have no rights,you are illegal at some point in time also, Remember, Remember,All, of youthat All of you and I are decended fromImmigrants and revolutionists, Winston Churchill
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My Great Grandmother was Cherokee and was on the "Trail of tears" when her, her brother and mom took off with my Great Grandfather (Who was a white guy from Germany and suppose to be a guide for the Army) and went to the Pacific Northwest.

Before the Whiteman showed up in America (good or bad), the locals that were here, had been killing each other for centuries, just like in Europe. Nothing new except that the Locals lost this war with the new guys. That is history, I didn't have anything to do with it, nor do I feel bad about it because there isn't anything I can do about it.

Same for Slavery, I wasn't for it, didn't have anything to do with it, but it is over and done with and everyone needs to get over with it.

A person can go anywhere in America (that is legally here) and make a go of it and become successful.

But why is someone like you trying to keep them down by saying it is ok for others to come here illegally and take that chance from them.
 
fogtender said:
Same for Slavery, I wasn't for it, didn't have anything to do with it, but it is over and done with and everyone needs to get over with it.

A person can go anywhere in America (that is legally here) and make a go of it and become successful.

But why is someone like you trying to keep them down by saying it is ok for others to come here illegally and take that chance from them.
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Very well said!

What about the Kennewick man? I'm pretty sure I'm descended from him so the whole damn place is mine. Y'all better get the hell out! :moon:
 
paul webster said:
I think we should just do what alot of you guys here want, lets do this ! lets have the President start Military Law, have all the soldiers start rounding up people, and if they dont have their documents on their person they are automatically SHOT ON THE SPOT, but lets not play favorites here, any and ALL people are subject to this with out any subjection to race, or age or color, and If I am on the streets with out my papers I will be shot on the spot to, all grandmas, grand fathers, young and old alike, where would you guys like to start, what state, ALASKA, Wisconsin, Colorado ? where, THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS SOUND LIKE......
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You really are starting to lose the grasp of what America is about...

Emigrants are welcome here legally, not illegally.

How we got to this point in time, doesn't really matter now, we are here, and we have established laws to protect ourselves as American citizens.

We have the right to protect our boarders with deadly force if required and it may come to that in due time because of people with your mindset is how wars get started, things get to far out of hand until it is too late.

The fire of illegal emigration is past the point of a small fire, it has engulfed a room and the house has a good chance of burning to the ground... at what point do you do something about it?
 
paul webster said:
You cant really be from N.D, Immigration is this, if someone enters with out inspection, they are here illegally, period... they have rights to rectify the situation, 90 days to leave, or get the10 year ban, but there are some exceptions, and that is the point I am trying to get across to you guys, I do not have all the answers, I just know that everone, legal or not has the right to due process,and legal representation, reguardless if its for a parking ticket, illegal entry,or murder, they have that right here in the United States.....
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OK, if I concede that they get due process (before being sent back across the border for being here illegally), will you concede they have no damn right to be here in the first place? Do they have the right of using our school system, SSI, welfare...?
 
This land thing kinda works like this, who ever has the biggest guns, gets the land. It's still true today, China could come over and take all this away from us, then we could bitch about that. Stone age cultures don't stand a chance against technologically advanced ones. We don't really know who was on this land in the beginning, some guy with his bare hands lost it to the guy with the stone club who lost it to the guy with the arrow etc.
Now, I have to admit that the Mexicans are doing a pretty good job of invading the US w/o firing a shot, well, except the gangs and robberies.
See, they think it's theirs too, or was it the Spanish or French? It's never ending.
 
paul webster said:
You are absolutely wrong if you believe that they have no rights,you are illegal at some point in time also, Remember, Remember,All, of youthat All of you and I are decended fromImmigrants and revolutionists, Winston Churchill
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Maybe you should get a copy of the Constitution out and read it.

Winston Churchill was an "American Citizen" because if I recall correctly, his mother was an American. But he was loyal to the Crown, so his view of the American Constitution is pretty mute... so why would you quote him, that is no different than Quoting Hitler on American policy.

Regardless, the Indians lost the war and the rest of us won. Get over it. Even the Indians won in the long run, they have rights that we as the "Average" American don't have. They can get a free college education and go anywhere they want with it, or back to the Reservation and get drunk, it is a free choice.

The Mexicans have declared a silent war on us and are doing the same thing. When do you figure that we should start fighting back, or just run up a white flag?
 
paul webster said:
I think we should just do what alot of you guys here want, lets do this ! lets have the President start Military Law, have all the soldiers start rounding up people, and if they dont have their documents on their person they are automatically SHOT ON THE SPOT, but lets not play favorites here, any and ALL people are subject to this with out any subjection to race, or age or color, and If I am on the streets with out my papers I will be shot on the spot to, all grandmas, grand fathers, young and old alike, where would you guys like to start, what state, ALASKA, Wisconsin, Colorado ? where, THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS SOUND LIKE......
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you are so out of your league on this. NO ONE has said anything about military law, or shooting illegals.................lets just send them the heck HOME to their own land where they are legal! And NO we dont want them to come back unless and until they do it legally...... YOU really need to get a grip on yourself here. My guess is you ARE an illegal, or have illegals that you are protecting........cause you sure act like it.
 
paul webster said:
Mr truck guy, your ancestors are illegal, whether you like it or not, same as me,the US broke the treaties, the white man stole this country from the American indians, so, unless you are a native indian, you too are illegal, like me...
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I knew it, you are Native American! And you have a grudge.
 
paul webster said:
Sir ,WE, stole North America form the indians, sad, but true, then we put them on reservations.... this debate has become old, even for a retired fly fisherman like me......... can anyone tell me how to delete the e-mails from coming, I had 26 from forums at 9am today, thanks
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you started this.
 
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