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WHAT IF 20 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS VACATED AMERICA?

paul webster said:
You cant really be from N.D, Immigration is this, if someone enters with out inspection, they are here illegally, period... they have rights to rectify the situation, 90 days to leave, or get the10 year ban, but there are some exceptions, and that is the point I am trying to get across to you guys, I do not have all the answers, I just know that everone, legal or not has the right to due process,and legal representation, reguardless if its for a parking ticket, illegal entry,or murder, they have that right here in the United States.....
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for crying out loud, you now want to give those that have violated the laws of OUR country for years, 90 more days to comply............get real, they wont do it, so we SHOULD at least enforce the laws AGAINST them coming in the first place and make sure they dont come back.

as a person with lots of contract work to be done on my home.........one stipulation is going to be EVERYONE ON THE JOB MUST HAVE LEGAL STATUS AT THE TIME OF THE PROJECT TILL THE END. THEY WILL HAVE TO PRODUCE SS CARDS AND DL OR OTHER ID, OR THE JOB WILL BE STOPPED.

2 reasons, one I dont want to get sued by someone NOT covered by workers comp insurance. two, I want those working to be paying taxes, and to be legally here. I dont give a rats ass what color, creed, nationality, or sex they are............they MUST be legal.

If I find one not, he and his employer will be reported immediately.
 
ddrane2115 said:
I knew it, you are Native American! And you have a grudge.
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You are wrong again, I am not a native american, but if I was I would say. if anyone on this forum has the F_ _ _k _ _n _ _tttttttttttt S to meet me for breakfast, I will prove to that the illegals have rights, case law.. are there any other lawyers on this site who care to jump in this bucket of yak manure conversation....... Mr dddrane, the day you believe in the bill of rights, is the day you will believe that PEOPLE have rights, ALL, not just you and I as "White" caucasion Americans.....MY grudge is against the F------G coyotes......... by the way, My last name is Webster, NOT running blue feather...... when was the last time you met a indian with a name like that.........
 
Why are you so hot to meet us or call us etc? Why are you so animated and angry? Are you a troll? I bet you are really Doc getting some action going on the fourm. Really what is the deal?:confused2:
 
PBinWA said:
Very well said!

What about the Kennewick man? I'm pretty sure I'm descended from him so the whole damn place is mine. Y'all better get the hell out! :moon:
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Hope you dont really believe that slavery is done and over with in this country, because its not...... its alive and thriving, see 60 minutes 3 weeks ago in San Francisco,the mayor was going into flop houses on live Sf tv, all the women brought here from the phillipines illegally for prostitution, Brasilians in Boston & NY, and the Mexican women in Texas....... the list is endless.......
 
paul webster said:
You are wrong again, I am not a native american, but if I was I would say. if anyone on this forum has the F_ _ _k _ _n _ _tttttttttttt S to meet me for breakfast, I will prove to that the illegals have rights, case law.. are there any other lawyers on this site who care to jump in this bucket of yak manure conversation....... Mr dddrane, the day you believe in the bill of rights, is the day you will believe that PEOPLE have rights, ALL, not just you and I as "White" caucasion Americans.....MY grudge is against the F------G coyotes......... by the way, My last name is Webster, NOT running blue feather...... when was the last time you met a indian with a name like that.........
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There are lots of native indians with "anglo" names. My brother in law is one. Maybe you need to look within and see that perhaps you don't know everything.

What's with the veiled threats? Why not just present your case here and see if you can argue a case outside of your comfort zone?
 
paul webster said:
Hope you dont really believe that slavery is done and over with in this country, because its not...... its alive and thriving, see 60 minutes 3 weeks ago in San Francisco,the mayor was going into flop houses on live Sf tv, all the women brought here from the phillipines illegally for prostitution, Brasilians in Boston & NY, and the Mexican women in Texas....... the list is endless.......
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Still a small percentage when compared to the vast numbers that enter willingly. We are not denying these people justice and fair treatment. We want the people that come here voluntarily and illegally to leave.
 
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: Thank GOD finally a guy here who has made a intelligent response.... the problem is that the government has made the laws so they wont leave..... the 10 yr ban is a carnival ride at best, and the 90 day law is a complete joke, customs catches them at the border, photos & fingerprints them, them gives the a piece of paper with a immigration court date, boy, there's our law makers at there best, just so you guys know, I really am a real guy, not doc, or even a TROLL, but I have been called worse, by a Coyote, just unfortunately I believe in Human rights and will fight for them, no mater if the person is here WOI "with out inspection" or not....... Paul
 
High school kides could get a decent job again...and our taxes would go down...and our children would not flunk english class becaouse they didn't know enough of their (manditory spanish)language....
 
paul webster said:
It does if that person is in court with me and the judge asks me a question abut there actions...........
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Mr. Webster,

You have taken the "shotgun approach" to this argument. You are all over the place and are approaching this from every angle possible in the hope that one of your techniques will work. At first you seemed like a middle of the road guy who had kind of a "live and let live" approach to the illegals. Then you used the argument that they did great things and when questioned about that, your reply was that picked fruit and did construction work. Your next approach for defending them was the Constitution. You then tried to spin the illegal discussion into a "We stole this land from the Indians" argument. Your most recent angle has been the Coyote angle. I will concede that coyote type events happen, but as someone else stated, they are a small percentage of the overall illegal problem and if these people are brought in against their will, we should politely help them get back to their families as they are innocent victims of a horrible crime.

Is this the way you handle a case in a court room? If so, does the jury have a hard time keeping up with you? Are you typically successful?
 
You know we really can't say that the criminal aliens don't have rights and not be hypocrites in that statement. In relation to 2nd amendment arguments, I have seen it argued and agree that we do not draw our rights from the constitution. The Constitution guarantees rights that are unalienable and creator given. As such any alleged criminals have rights under that Constitution. However in the case of the criminal illegals I believe their rights are limited to due process to determine their legal status, and a fu*&ing bus ticket south. I do not want my tax dollars spent to protect their rights further than that. It is the job of their government to acknowledge and protect their rights not mine. (Granted the collusion between our corrupt and incompetent government, and theirs, probably diminishes the rights they enjoy at home) But that is the subject of a different debate.
 
Glink said:
You know we really can't say that the criminal aliens don't have rights and not be hypocrites in that statement. In relation to 2nd amendment arguments, I have seen it argued and agree that we do not draw our rights from the constitution. The Constitution guarantees rights that are unalienable and creator given. As such any alleged criminals have rights under that Constitution. However in the case of the criminal illegals I believe their rights are limited to due process to determine their legal status, and a fu*&ing bus ticket south. I do not want my tax dollars spent to protect their rights further than that. It is the job of their government to acknowledge and protect their rights not mine. (Granted the collusion between our corrupt and incompetent government, and theirs, probably diminishes the rights they enjoy at home) But that is the subject of a different debate.
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Then I urge you to write to your congressman..........
 
Tractors4u said:
Mr. Webster,

You have taken the "shotgun approach" to this argument. You are all over the place and are approaching this from every angle possible in the hope that one of your techniques will work. At first you seemed like a middle of the road guy who had kind of a "live and let live" approach to the illegals. Then you used the argument that they did great things and when questioned about that, your reply was that picked fruit and did construction work. Your next approach for defending them was the Constitution. You then tried to spin the illegal discussion into a "We stole this land from the Indians" argument. Your most recent angle has been the Coyote angle. I will concede that coyote type events happen, but as someone else stated, they are a small percentage of the overall illegal problem and if these people are brought in against their will, we should politely help them get back to their families as they are innocent victims of a horrible crime.

Is this the way you handle a case in a court room? If so, does the jury have a hard time keeping up with you? Are you typically successful?
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Them write to your congressman and try to change the laws to get them out or nothing short of shot by your standards....As to you court room question: Any lawyer will tell you that a Bad settlement is better than a roll of the dice with a jury.....I.E. any monetary settlement is beter than the possibility of 0% from the jury....
 
Dont get me wrong here, I thought this was a discussion ? If you people would really like to see the illegals leave voluntarily, do this, cut off all public assistance..... Period. CUT OFF WESTERN UNION, AND MONEYGRAM TO ALL PEOPLE WHO ARE UNDOCUMENTED SENDING U.S. MONEY OUT OF OUR COUNTRY, thats why they are here, to work and send money out,and they do send it out in hoards, WRITE TO YOUR CONGRESSMAN TO TRY AND GET LAWS PASSED FOR, SEVERE PENALTIES TO COMPANIES WHO HIRE UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS, AND ENFORCE THEM.....
 
RedRocker said:
All that needs to be done is enforce the laws that are on the books.
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You are right , but that will never happen, if you call I.C.E. ( immigration and customs enforcement), you will be hard pressed to get some one who cares or they say they will take a report and then investigate within 90 days........
 
Important tax reminder: Don't forget to pay your taxes......:poke:



¡Muchas gracias!:yum:



21 million illegal aliens are depending on on you:shitHitFan:
 
Bottom line. Illegals are illegal. They are robbing America. Yet they try to scare its citizens by taking crappy jobs and say "what if we left".
I say "what if we right"!!!! wait...... :confused2:
 
paul webster said:
You are wrong again, I am not a native american, but if I was I would say. if anyone on this forum has the F_ _ _k _ _n _ _tttttttttttt S to meet me for breakfast, I will prove to that the illegals have rights, case law.. are there any other lawyers on this site who care to jump in this bucket of yak manure conversation....... Mr dddrane, the day you believe in the bill of rights, is the day you will believe that PEOPLE have rights, ALL, not just you and I as "White" caucasion Americans.....MY grudge is against the F------G coyotes......... by the way, My last name is Webster, NOT running blue feather...... when was the last time you met a indian with a name like that.........
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uh, the last time I met one with his American name....and for the record they are native american, not Indian, since they would not be from India......and if you can not talk without the foul language, I suggest you not talk.

Illegals dont have the right to be here. If I as a legal were to ask for what they get, I would get laughed at! See I pay taxes, pay doctor bills, pay for my mortgage on my own, have a car that I pay insurance on, have a drivers license, car tags, a legal job, and not one that I have to hide when the "man" comes around. If I get hurt my workers comp kicks in, not the free medical they get.

IF AND ONLY IF they have applied legally are they legally here, any other existance here is ILLEGAL, and they along with their employers should be punished......them with deported and the employer with HEAVY DUTY fines..........not talkin pocket change here folks.

You can not go in their country and get what they get here................
 
paul webster said:
You are wrong again, I am not a native american, but if I was I would say. if anyone on this forum has the F_ _ _k _ _n _ _tttttttttttt S to meet me for breakfast, I will prove to that the illegals have rights, case law.. are there any other lawyers on this site who care to jump in this bucket of yak manure conversation....... Mr dddrane, the day you believe in the bill of rights, is the day you will believe that PEOPLE have rights, ALL, not just you and I as "White" caucasion Americans.....MY grudge is against the F------G coyotes......... by the way, My last name is Webster, NOT running blue feather...... when was the last time you met a indian with a name like that.........
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I have nuts. I am currently in the 'Mountains of Colorado'. I am no scholar, legal or otherwise, but I'd like to discuss the differences between human rights and the constitution/bill of rights, as well as a nations right to rule of law and sovereignty, that kind of thing. How about brunch? :rolleyes:
 
paul webster said:
This has become nothing short of thrying to have a debate with a few 4 yr olds, their favorite word is why........
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All of the "why" questions are directed to you. "Why" do you have the position you do and why do you think they should be here? Also, why don't you answer any of the questions posed to you?
 
Glink said:
You know we really can't say that the criminal aliens don't have rights and not be hypocrites in that statement. In relation to 2nd amendment arguments, I have seen it argued and agree that we do not draw our rights from the constitution. The Constitution guarantees rights that are unalienable and creator given. As such any alleged criminals have rights under that Constitution. However in the case of the criminal illegals I believe their rights are limited to due process to determine their legal status, and a fu*&ing bus ticket south. I do not want my tax dollars spent to protect their rights further than that. It is the job of their government to acknowledge and protect their rights not mine. (Granted the collusion between our corrupt and incompetent government, and theirs, probably diminishes the rights they enjoy at home) But that is the subject of a different debate.
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I agree with all of this except...I believe it was the Declaration of Independence that expressed our (and everyone elses) inalienable (and God given) rights while the U. S. Constitution defined our (and no one elses) legal rights.

If I have it wrong, someone bap me on the side of the head, please.
 
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