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The Sweet Wbj1

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Frequently, it’s The Infamous WBJ1. (Note: If Ruth Bader Ginsburg could be called “The Notorious RBG”, referring to WBJ1 as “The Infamous WBJ1” certainly seems justified.)

I would like the readers to know I take issue with "Infamous". I really feel like it should be replaced by "Sweetheart", "Kindhearted", "Gentle" or something similar!!

Besides that flagrant mis-naming, it sounds like someone is going to be getting a nice machine that has been thoroughly inspected and repaired which should equal "peace of mind"!
 

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I would like the readers to know I take issue with "Infamous". I really feel like it should be replaced by "Sweetheart", "Kindhearted", "Gentle" or something similar!!
WBJ1,

Thanks for the laugh! When I say "The Kindhearted WBJ1", "The Sweetheart WBJ1"or "The Gentle WBJ1" I get to enjoy the laugh all over again.

I am genuinely looking forward to seeing you again at SV 2021, and I think anyone who meets WBJ1 at SV 2021 will enjoy the experience...even if he is "Infamous"...
 

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I would like the readers to know I take issue with "Infamous". I really feel like it should be replaced by "Sweetheart", "Kindhearted", "Gentle" or something similar!!

Besides that flagrant mis-naming, it sounds like someone is going to be getting a nice machine that has been thoroughly inspected and repaired which should equal "peace of mind"!


Bless your heart "Infamous WBJ1" nice try, but you earned the moniker, and may I suggest, wear it with pride, poking the Bear has a Price and you have just made the down payment, as I see it,

the god of Zilla's is not someone, you should not poke too often

and if you persist in poking the Bear, don't think you are going to get out unscathed

see ya sweetheart in Sun Valley,

uber torpedo has your ride scheduled...
 
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SRT-1

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Lets set the record straight. When my friends go golfing, that would be the "Jester", the "Polar Bear", the "Hamster", And me, the "Gorilla".
Now you have Blackfoot Tucker try to change his name now to the "bear". As in "poking the Bear". His true name is still the "Hamster".
Given that name by standing with a wide stance to hit the ball. So, his true name should be "The Blackfoot Hamster named Tucker"
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Blackfoot Tucker

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I'll try and get this thread back on track...

I know how just about everyone likes pictures, so I'll start with that. Here's the engine stripped of just about everything except the crankshaft and the harmonic balancer, which is pressed on by hand and used to rotate the crankshaft.

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The engine has since been fully reassembled and we’ve got everything put back together. Hughes Engines, the manufacturer of the cam, has very explicit instructions for cam break-in procedures, and among other things involves not letting the engine idle below 2,000 RPM for the first 30 minutes. Ten minutes on, ten minutes cooling; then repeat in additional cycles. We did that, and the following night set the initial ignition timing per Hughes' recommendations. But the engine starting process didn’t go exactly as planned, and some may find this story a bit humorous.

Scott and I both have experience rebuilding engines and swapping camshafts... with Chevrolet and Ford engines. It is vitally important that the proper relationship between valve and piston timing be correct. The crankshaft makes two revolutions for one revolution of the camshaft. On both the cam timing gear and the crank timing gear there are machined dots used for alignment. The crankshaft is rotated so the number one cylinder is at top dead center and the crankshaft timing gear should have the dot positioned straight up at the 12 o’clock position. Based on our previous experience with Ford and Chevy, we positioned the camshaft accordingly with the dot at the six o’clock position and perfectly in line with the crankshaft timing gear dot. (The distributor rotor is therefore pointed at the number one cylinder.) Then we proceeded to reassemble the rest of the engine, install the belts and pulleys, etc, etc.

The moment we’ve been waiting for arrives, and we try and start the engine….nothing. Try again and…nothing. Scott heads for his computer to see if we did something wrong, or what the problem might be. Apparently, Chrysler “engineers” decided it was better to machine the cam timing gear so the dot would be straight up at the 12 o’clock position. YGTBSM! My thought is that just as the person who graduates at the bottom of his medical school class gets to be called “doctor”, the person who graduates at the bottom of their engineering school class can say they’re an "engineer”. (My guess is they got hired at Chrysler.)

Aligning the dots as we did positions the rotor pointing to cylinder number six (with firing order 1-8-5-3-6-4-7-2). That would of course explain why the engine wouldn’t start. Getting it squared away isn’t a big deal. You remove the distributor, rotate the shaft 180º and reinstall it. Unsurprisingly, the engine started immediately. While I have jabbed Chrysler pretty hard, the reality is we made assumptions we shouldn’t have. We assumed the concept of dot alignment was industry standard, and it isn’t.

Bonus Question of the day: What is the only American car manufacturer to have been bailed out by the US government twice?

Answer: Chrysler. Shocking… I know.
 

PJL

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A long time ago I worked at a gas station that had 2 service bays and full service gas sales. (It was a long time ago.) We didn't sell hot dogs and burritos either. I hated worked on anything Chrysler. It seemed to me that all the metal had razor sharp edges. Working under a dash was like running your knuckles over a cheese grater.

Glad the engine was an easy fix for you.
 

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Progress continues on the 1544... as SV 2021 rapidly approaches...

We replaced the muffler and exhaust tip as well as the heat shield. The existing muffler worked okay, sort-of, but the muffler and pipe assembly did not parallel the cab but rather angled slightly. It was like a burr in the saddle every time I saw it. I had a really great exhaust guy at a shop in SLC. Unfortunately the key word in that sentence is “had”. The owner of the company sold it, and Fritz, the guy with the skills, left. The new owner would not tell me where Fritz went to work, and I have been unable to find him. So Scott and I carefully cut the existing exhaust pipe at the exact point it would align properly with the replacement muffler and allow room for the heat shield, and then Scott welded the pipe and muffler into position. Here are a couple of pics.

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The left front carrier seemed to splay outward somewhat at the bottom. For some reason, much more so than the other three and we were concerned the axle housing might be bent. Lots of careful measurements revealed that not to be the case, so we removed the carrier to investigate. The issue was basically journal wear on both journals, so we removed the grease and the rust from the journals, thoroughly cleaned them and applied bearing tape accordingly. We liberally applied grease to both journals and used the shop crane and a ratchet strap to reinstall the carrier on the axle.

Tucker carriers have an adjustable and removable end. It slides into the rest of the carrier and is a steel-to-steel interface. This needs to be greased periodically, both for ease of movement AND the prevention of rust on the internal surfaces. But over the years it seems this task was put off time and again by previous owners. While I can’t justify the lack of proper maintenance, it is necessary to split the track to remove the end, clean the surfaces and apply grease prior to reassembly. It’s one of those "necessary but it’s a PITA" jobs. Sure enough this carriers adjustable end had been neglected. So out it came, we wire-wheeled the rusted areas, cleaned everything and smeared grease all over it. Unsurprisingly, with a little “love” it works well.

But of course that begs the question “If this one was bad, what are the others like”? And…I’ll bet you know the answer! Yup. We’ve done two of the other three so far, and they’ve actually been in worse condition!

Here’s the right rear. Note the rust, the crack and the piece missing. All of that was of course fixed, and then thoroughly greased before reassembly. We also found the adjusting bolt was broken. Scott took some all-thread he had on hand and cut it to length, then turned down one end on his lathe and welded a new nut on the end. We still have the left rear carrier to do...

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Here’s a pic of something that is all too commonly seen. The is a photo of the end of a carrier’s adjustable section. These are made from steel with only a 1/8” wall thickness, so they really aren’t that strong. But beating on the end with a hammer will damage the end. If it were properly maintained and greased periodically, the end would slide with hand pressure and no extra force would be required. But rather than investigate the problem and correct it, someone chose the “If it doesn’t fit…force it” method.

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Just like the angled exhaust, the slightly caved in end bugged me. The fix was to cut the end cap off with an angle grinder and cut-off wheel, straighten it, weld it back on, clean up the welds, and then a little paint.

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We still have plenty to do... and not much time to do it.

And of course we want to take it and the 1450 out for testing and performance verification before SV 2021. The 1450 isn't fully reassembled after doing various maintenance repair and upgrades either. Looks like we'll be burning the midnight oil next week!
 

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Perhaps unsurprisingly, when we dove into the left rear carrier we found some issues that needed to be addressed. Nothing serious, or that we hadn’t seen before, but it did require some time to get things in order. We replaced some wheel seals, the axle hub seal and re-tensioned all the tracks. In working on the machine, we both thought that it needed an alignment. Tucker detailed the procedure in their February 2010 newsletter, and we followed that document carefully. If you read it over, it sounds more involved than it really is. http://sno-cat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/volume-2issue-2.pdf

In general terms, you start out by ensuring the hydraulic steering cylinder is positioned exactly in the middle of its stroke. This means that when the procedure is complete, the machine will turn the same amount in each direction. Okay, that’s pretty common-sensical. After the steering cylinder is positioned accordingly, you look at what Tucker calls the “center swing”. This is the part that the hydraulic steering cylinder attaches to, as well as both front and rear tie rods.

The center swing should be positioned so the tie rod attachment locations are perpendicular with the truss frame, and in a vertical line from the center swing’s pivot point. Adjustment is made by detaching the hydraulic cylinder’s yoke from the center swing and threading the yoke in or out as necessary to achieve the proper angular relationships. I’ll pause for a moment and say the hydraulic cylinder doesn’t get longer or shorter over the years, the center swing's pivot point doesn’t change and neither does the location where the fixed end of the hydraulic cylinder attaches. Yes, these positions could change with major frame damage, but in normal use… no.

Tucker paints the machine in an assembled state, so the paint they apply serves as a witness mark to where the yoke was positioned on the hydraulic cylinder’s shaft when it was assembled and left the factory. Imagine our surprise when Scott needed to move the yoke out a full 7/8” to get the prescribed angular relationship. (Okay, I was kidding about being surprised.)

In the newsletter Tucker says "We recommend this procedure be done at the beginning of each season or after any repairs to the steering system." But apparently they didn’t do it properly when this machine was being assembled. (WBJ1 (ooops, make that The Infamous WBJ1) said it best. "Have no expectations that Tucker did it right. That way you won't be disappointed.")

So after getting all, this done, fluids topped off, etc we took it out for testing along with the DMC 1450 that we have also been preparing to take to SV 2021. The 1544 ran much better than it had, but the exhaust system seemed way too restrictive. Despite having just replaced the old muffler with one the same diameter, the exhaust seemed to be strangling the engine's attempts to breathe. The solution was to modify the exhaust system using bigger components. But time was incredibly short…

The stock Tucker system uses 2 1/4” diameter pipe and a 2 1/4” diameter inlet and outlet on the muffler. Remembering high school geometry formulas, calculating the area of a circle is Pi x radius squared. Up-sizing to 2 1/2” components gets you a 23.5% increase in area. Hmmmm, is that enough? Using 2 3/4” components increases the area by 49.4%. That seemed better, but I couldn’t find a muffler with the proper sized inlet and outlet dimensions. Going up to 3” yields a 77.8% increase. That’s a hefty increase and we decided to err on the side of going bigger. But all this was determined late on Saturday afternoon and everything had to be wrapped up before we leave for Sun Valley Wednesday morning. Uh Oh…not much time.

We decided to go for it and cut off the existing exhaust system at the point the crossover pipe from the left manifold intersects with the pipe from the right side. I would hopefully find an exhaust shop on Monday that could bend the tube to basically match what we had, but using 3” diameter pipe. Then we’d install it Monday evening. I was most fortunate to find a shop that met the challenge and they did a nice job. The chances of everything fitting perfectly were close to zero, so we anticipated we might have to do some minor tweaking, and that proved to be the case. But we got it all wrapped up, though there is no heat shield installed as yet.

My description above makes it sound pretty simple, but I assure you there’s a fair bit more to it to get everything aligned just so. There is also the issue of grafting on a 3” diameter pipe to where two smaller pipes met. Scott solved the problem by using his acetylene torch and a pair of pliers. He would heat the area of the pipe intersection until red hot and carefully bend the edges to get them as close as possible to a round 3” diameter. As long as any irregularities were small, he could make that up in the welding process…and he did exactly that

Here are pics after it was complete.

Front view. Note the old exhaust system laying on the trailer deck in the foreground. That’s what I took to the exhaust shop.

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Side view.

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What we were striving for, in terms of positioning and alignment, is for the system be parallel with the side of the cab in the first photo (doesn't angle in or out). In the second photo we wanted the angle of the system to parallel the windshield frame. There also had to be enough clearance for the door to open fully and not hit the muffler, or the yet-to be-installed heat shield.

If you're wondering what the Coca Cola packaging is doing laying on the trailer, I held that in position as Scott was doing some welding to prevent the sparks from hitting and damaging the glass. Instead... they landed on me.
 

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BFT, you better hit the road! On a side note, if your 2 1/4" setup is now junk to you, I would buy it since mine needs a full replacement and my L6 will breath fine with that diameter. If you were to bring it to SV, PP would probably be willing to grab it from you and bring it east for me on her next trip. I would pay you directly of course.
 

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BFT, you better hit the road! On a side note, if your 2 1/4" setup is now junk to you, I would buy it since mine needs a full replacement and my L6 will breath fine with that diameter. If you were to bring it to SV, PP would probably be willing to grab it from you and bring it east for me on her next trip. I would pay you directly of course.
shipping charges? yuppppppp, figure they should cover my fuel both ways
 

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Davenet,

I brought the exhaust pipe and muffler to SV 2021 and put it on PP's trailer. No need for any payment to me...
Didn't know if you saw this in time. Thank you, and please PM me what you have into it to cover your costs! TA also offered a take-off from his. Thinking yours may be easier w/ the R/H exit like mine, but going to look at both.
 

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Didn't know if you saw this in time. Thank you, and please PM me what you have into it to cover your costs! TA also offered a take-off from his. Thinking yours may be easier w/ the R/H exit like mine, but going to look at both.
I appreciate the kind offer, but I will NOT take any money for it.
 

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How did the Tucker perform and what was the 2 track like in comparison?
Track Addict,

Let me first say Bri and Bri were missed at SV 2021. PP told me of the Covid related issues that made it darn near impossible, so I completely understand.

The 1544 runs well…finally. We did take both machines to SV 2021. The 1544 had no issues and we used it all three days we were there. I did wish I had long tracks on it, but that’s another story. The DMC 1450 ran well in our day of testing prior to Sun Valley, though we did adjust the brake bands per the Thiokol manual before heading north. The Infamous WBJ1 drove it on day one, and Scott, AKA: The Gorilla, drove it on day two. On day two it was running hot, Scott had to stop a few times and the engine died twice. It required a jump from the 1544 to start and just before lunch Scott pulled off the trail, parked it, and got in the 1544. On the way back we stole the 1544’s auxiliary winch battery and moved it to the 1450 to use as power to get back to the trailer. It remained on the trailer during day three. Tuesday night we spent some time and determined the voltage regulator was the culprit. A new voltage regulator has been ordered, and once installed, we’ll take the 1450 out and run it hard to see if that solves the problem.

A previous owner had removed the radiator’s mechanical fan and installed a large electric fan. With the malfunctioning charging system, Scott believes the decreased voltage coming from the battery would slow the fan speed and may have contributed to the overheating issue.

During our pre-SV 2021 testing we switched machines so each of us drove both of them, and we compared notes afterward. Truthfully, we were quite impressed with the 1450’s performance. A standard (meaning unmodified) wide track 1450 has an overall width of 84”. This machine is a full 96” wide as the outer track belts on each side were replaced with belts 6” wider, so it has serious flotation. At the time the belts were replaced they also added some longer grousers. It went everywhere the 1544 went and a few places the 1544 didn’t.

What we didn’t like was the ride over bumps. The two tracks, combined with the 1450’s suspension, means you feel every one and the machine pitches up and down over every bump as well. It was my first experience with a brake steer machine and I am not a believer. It works, there’s no question about that, but every time you turn you are applying brake pressure to one side. That robs power from the engine and you lose a little momentum. Unless you’re going a long way in a straight line, you make a fair number of small steering adjustments. The Tucker system is more intuitive, and when you turn you are merely changing the angle of where the tracks are pointed and not limiting in any way the power transmitted from the engine to the tracks. We agreed that we preferred the Tucker four track system in terms of both suspension and steering. I do believe the 1450 is a capable machine and has a number of attributes that make it worthy of consideration for buyers.

Day one at SV 2021 had quite a bit of on-trail travel and the trail hadn’t been groomed in a while. The washboard-like surface made for a rough ride in the 1450. I don’t want to put words in his mouth, so hopefully The Infamous WBJ1 will provide his thoughts on the 1450.
 

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Tucker for the win! The two track groomers out here look miserable grooming bumpy snowmobile trails.

It was tough sitting out this year but we're back at it next year. We have been fortunate having in person learning for the two kids and JR has continued competitive swimming since August complicating fun travel with swim travel. We did some adult plane travel across COVID and or was clear adding children was not worth it.

Davenet told me long a go at the cats meow that the kids would mess up my fun plans on occasion. He's becoming a visionary!

Jovan Tucker and Mrs Addict will be in tow 2022. We shall see if we can lure her out of the village for a cat day......
 
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I will say I was extremely impressed with the 1450!! Extremely. It was much more capable than I thought it would be. We took it off the trail into some fresh deep powder and it did really really well imo. It was also MUCH faster than I thought it would be. For certain applications like cabin access, etc is certainly seems like a viable candidate to me. Only drawback was the ride over washboards. If I was accessing a cabin via an unmolested trail that was not full of washboards the 1450 would be great!!
 

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Wow, it's been a while since I posted anything to this thread....

As I hinted in the Snowzilla build thread, The 1544 would be getting a nice upgrade. And... without further ado:

Scott and I are firm believers in fuel injection in snowcats, and we’ll be installing Edelbrock’s Pro-Flo 4 system on the basically stock 360 engine in the 1544.

Tucker’s motto is "No road too steep, no snow too deep”. Well, the “No road too steep” part gets limited by the carburetor setup on the 1544’s engine. The Tuckers I’ve bought with 318 engines all came with Carter BBD series two barrel carburetors, and the 1544’s 360 came with a Holley two barrel. It also came with an automatic choke and we have rebuilt the carburetor, and re-jetted it, and at the end of the day - we’re not happy with the way the engine runs. Point the Tucker up much of the hill and the carburetor’s float system shows its limitations as the engine starts loading up with too much fuel. Holley does make a Truck Avenger carburetor with an improved float system for off-road use, but it’s quite pricey and would also require a new intake manifold. Fuel injection will improve this situation a lot more, and engine starting should be improved as well.

I stumbled upon a great quote: "Direct injection of petrol may prove to be an important step forward in the future. The carburetor is at best an amateurs method of mixing air with vapourised fuel.”
That quote is actually from British Air Staff correspondence dated February 22, 1932. No joke, 91 years ago the Brits had seen the advantages of fuel injection! (A history lesson mixed in with BFT’s usual BS.)

Fast forward to 2023. I think the two big aftermarket fuel injection systems are Holley’s Sniper system and Edelbrock’s Pro Flo. The Sniper is more universal and it's a throttle body system. Edelbrock’s Pro Flo is application specific, but it’s also a sequential, multi-port system… and naturally it’s more expensive. Okay, what’s the difference?

Throttle body fuel injection has the fuel injectors in basically the center of the intake manifold and fuel flows through the intake manifold runners to the individual cylinders. Pretty much just like with a carburetor; the difference being how the fuel is metered.

A sequential, multi-port system uses individual fuel injectors for each cylinder and they’re positioned at the end of the intake manifold runners close to the cylinders. The injectors fire based on crankshaft position, and the pulse width (the length of time the injector is delivering fuel) is adjusted to maintain a 14.7:1 air/fuel mixture It’s a much more precise system. (The Brits would be pleased!)

Installing fuel injection is somewhat more involved than changing carburetors, or even swapping a carburetor and intake manifold. The aftermarket fuel injection systems require “pure” electrical power and the fuel delivered to the system must be at much higher pressure. Typically, fuel injection systems incorporate a return to tank fuel line, and that must be plumbed as well. Some people use higher pressure rubber fuel line hose, Scott and I prefer to plumb with bent, hard steel lines.

Cost-wise it’s important to compare apples to apples. Holley offers the Sniper system in either a “Base” kit (roughly $1,200) or a “Master” kit (roughly $1,550). The Master kit contains Holley’s version of what’s necessary to plumb the the fuel system. Edelbrock only offers the Pro-Flo 4 in one kit which is roughly $2,365. That does not include fuel system plumbing components, but it does include both a new intake manifold and a distributor (which is controlled by the fuel injection system’s ecm). Adding a Holley Hyperspark distributor and an aluminum intake manifold would add roughly $700 to the Holley system's price. The Edelbrock system is still more expensive, but the apples to apples price comparison is a lot closer.

This is going to be fun....
 

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As part of the fuel injection system installation, one must basically add several components to the stock system, and delete others. The plan is to remove all the stock components after the tank and start fresh. The engine driven mechanical fuel pump is another casualty, and that gets removed and a block off plate installed in its place.

A carbureted system uses about 6-7 PSI of fuel pressure whereas the Edelbrock Pro Flo 4 requires either 43 or 58 PSI depending on engine configuration and setup. In sequence from the fuel tank, Edelbrock recommends a fuel pre-filter, an inline electric fuel pump that produces sufficient volume and pressure (assuming one doesn't use an in-tank pump), a second fuel filter of finer media, a pressure regulator with a return-to-tank line, and then on to the engine.

The box the Edelbrock system came in had this sticker which made me laugh. “This kit includes everything you need for a hassle-free installation!” Yeah…right.

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Scott and I like to use a marine style, water separating fuel filter that has both a larger spin-on filter element and a clear, drainable sediment bowl underneath. This filter is a 10 micron filter, which is the recommended filtration level for the second filter in Edelbrock's suggested setup, so we’ll use just the one filter in our system. We think having water separating capability is a good thing in a snowcat. Tuckers have large steel fuel tanks, and with a low level of fuel and certain atmospheric conditions, there is substantial concern about condensation inside the tank. Water is heavier than gasoline, so it would settle to the bottom of the tank…exactly where the fuel leaves to go to the engine. Having a clear sediment bowl that’s drainable allows one to check for water in the bowl as part of their snowcat "pre-flight” inspection, and drain it if present.

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On both Thundercat and CHUGSzilla we used Airtex brand inline electric fuel pumps. On the 1544 we’re using a Walbro model GSL392 pump. Its output volume and pressure are similar to the Airtex pumps, and meet Edelbrock’s requirements, but the pump’s inlet and outlet fittings are more compatible with the AN style fittings we like to use. After the pump we’ll be using an adjustable fuel pressure regulator that has both a return-to-tank port and uses a vacuum line from the engine, features which are recommended by Edelbrock. The regulator is a somewhat generic Chinese made unit bought from Amazon.com.

As previously mentioned, we’ll be using custom bent, hard steel lines. To give credit where it’s due, Scott is a veritable genius at bending these lines. You might think there would be a bunch of scrapped steel line attempts laying around, but that’s not the case at all. Rarely does that happen. Now, that’s not to say they all fit perfectly from the get-go, but with a little tweaking, torquing and spiraling (our phrase for the adjustment process) we can almost always make the necessary small adjustments to get the bent line to fit properly. The steel line we use is galvanized, and typically bought from NAPA. They're available in different lengths and NAPA calls them brake lines, but we get them in 3/8” and 5/16" diameter for the fuel supply and return-to-tank lines respectively. We cut them to length and add tube nuts and tube sleeves prior to flaring the ends with a flaring tool that makes a nice 37º flare. It’s definitely more time consuming than using rubber fuel line hose, but we think it’s a superior product and has a professional look. If you buy the fuel system plumbing kits offered by Holley and Edelbrock…they come with something like 20’ of rubber fuel line hose.

The Edelbrock wiring harness has a power wire for the fuel pump, however, there is a limitation of 10 AMPS. So, we’ll use the power wire to activate a Bosch style relay which will supply electric power to the fuel pump. (We’ve used a bunch of these relays in our snowcat projects (just think of all of The Infamous WBJ1’s LED lights) and they work well. The patent has undoubtedly expired, but I sure hope that Bosch guy got paid handsomely for his design.)

We brought the 1544 into Scott’s shop to plan our strategy and talk about the project. We laid out roughly where the fuel system components will be installed, and that also allowed us to make a list of what we think are the required fittings, tube nuts and tube sleeves. I say “we think” because I’m almost certain there will be changes. But it will get us in the ballpark….

In back and forth discussion about the project... project creep has already entered the fray. I know, you’re thinking “Those knuckleheads. When will they ever learn?” Well, all I can say is our intentions are good, and we just had to make these changes. Yes, Had To!

On both Thundercat and CHUGSzilla we completely rewired the machines and we installed new instrument panels with new gauges and switches. We certainly are not going down the rabbit hole of re-wiring, but the existing instrument panel and switches are just unacceptable, and we can make huge improvements without spending a whole lot of time or money.

A previous owner decided it would be a grand idea to add a radio/CD player to the instrument panel, and they got Bubba and Billy Bob to do the installation. That will be removed and we’ll get a new water jet cut aluminum instrument panel. We already have a couple of instrument panel designs in Scott’s CAD system, so it will mean verifying some measurements and making a few changes. Then that gets sent to Stream Works in SLC where we know they’ll do a fantastic job of cutting the panel. The design of the Tucker instrument panel as it relates to switches is, to use a Navy expression, “poor headwork”.

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You climb in your Tucker to use it at night and you decide you want to turn on the heater fan. The headlights are on but they don’t illuminate the switches. You can open the driver’s door to trigger the dome light (so you can maybe read the lettering below the switches), but really? Or you can come up with a mnemonic device to remember the switch layout such as “Fat Henry’s Really Fun Hot Rod”. That would be Fan, Headlights, Rotating beacon, Fuel pump, Heater/defroster- Rear.

But we think there's a better way. We’ll do the same thing we did in Thundercat and CHUGSzilla and install a set of Carling Contura V switches with a descriptive legend and a symbol. Turn the headlights on, and the descriptive legend illuminates. Now you can easily read what switch serves each function. Turn the switch on - and the symbol lights up. While we’re at it we’ll add a switch to turn on the dome light, and we’ll add a second dome light for the rear passengers. In terms of modifications, this stuff is low hanging fruit. Not difficult, yet makes for needed and nice improvements.
 

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We started on the 1544’s fuel injection changeover and thus far haven’t accomplished a whole lot. We drained the fuel tank and added fittings to the tank to attach the hard lines, and we removed the canister-style original fuel filter, the stock electric fuel pump and the fuel line to the engine mounted fuel pump. The welded plate that the filter and fuel pump bolted to was cut from the truss frame, so we basically have a blank canvas. I removed the fuel filter to dump out the old gasoline and it had a definite brownish color. Removing the filter exposed the bottom of the canister which had a buildup of rusty sludge. The presence of rust suggests water in the gasoline, and verifies the wisdom of the water separating fuel filter we will be installing.

The plan is to weld a new plate to the truss frame for the water separating fuel filter’s mounting bracket, and then moving forward - another plate for the fuel pump and then a third plate for the pressure regulator. At this point we’ve got the location for the fuel filter determined, but not the others and part of determining where those will be located is a function of routing the fuel supply and return-to-tank lines. The installation must look clean and well thought out; not one of those “Gee, Bubba I didn’t think of that” situations where the installation was obviously thrown together piece by piece with no overall game plan. The USAF 8 P’s expression applies: "Proper prior pre-planning prevents p*ss poor performance”.

Talking with Scott about the fuel lines has thus far been frustrating. Despite his demonstrated skill at bending those lines, he is adamant he has bent his last line, and it will be all up to me. If he sticks to his obstinately uncooperative approach, the hard line plumbing will take longer. (Note: sometimes he does this just to be annoying. (I think he’s channeling his inner WBJ1.))
 

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Work progresses on the 1544. Fuel system component installation and the hard line plumbing of the fuel system up to the fuel pressure regulator is complete. We could have mounted the filter, pump, and pressure regulator in essentially a horizontal alignment, but doing that would mean obstructing the view through the truss frame with a large steel mounting plate. Instead, we mounted the filter up high and the pump low, then the pressure regulator a little higher. We think it’s a better, less obtrusive look, even if it complicated the tube bending somewhat. Where the hard line stops short of the engine we’ll use a length of braided stainless steel hose to connect with the Edelbrock system. The connection port for the fuel line is on the right side front of the intake manifold, which would be logical if the fuel line was coming from the engine mounted mechanical fuel pump. But we like the idea of making the connection toward the rear of the engine, and plan to reconfigure Edelbrock’s setup accordingly. One benefit is keeping the fuel lines away from heat sources, such as the exhaust. system.

Scott sort-of stuck to his “I've bent my last fuel line” recalcitrance. I did the bending, but he did offer assistance as far as suggestions, and the usual tweaking, torquing and spiraling necessary for final adjustments. On the whole the plumbing went reasonably well. One must install the tube sleeves and tube nuts prior to flaring the tube ends. On previous projects we have forgotten to do this, and it’s a Homer Simpson Doh moment when you realize your mistake. Having been there and done that I wanted to make sure I didn’t forget… and promptly put a tube sleeve on the wrong side of a bend. Yup, another “oh darn” experience. I could have cut off the tube sleeve, but that might have meant a special trip to the hydraulic supply store, so I sacrificed about 1 1/2” of tubing. (I can just picture Bubba and Billy Bob laughing. “Hey genius, if you used rubber fuel line you wouldn’t have done that. Hah, Hah. Hey, Billy Bob pass me another beer.”)

It seems to be really difficult to get a line bent 100% correctly the first time, and the adjustment process takes a fair amount of time to make the necessary tweaks. The cardinal rule is don’t cut it too short. But even if a line with a 90º bend at the end is too long, it can be adjusted. You take out some of the bend closest to the end of the tube, and add some bend on the other side of the 90. That process shortens the overall length a bit, and lengthens the leg past the 90º bend. That’s not a big deal because you can cut the flare off and re flare the tube to shorten it. What is more difficult is when you have two tubes in fairly close proximity. You want the two lines to look good and that typically means running perfectly parallel with each other. Even though they both fit fine, and would work fine, that personal pride isn’t satisfied until they look right.

Some pics. Fuel supply line is at the bottom and the return to tank line is at the top.

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Working forward you can see the filter, pump and pressure regulator.

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A view from the other side.

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The fuel pressure regulator requires a vacuum line from the engine, and that too will be mostly hard steel line with some short lengths of rubber vacuum hose. The fuel pressure regulator has three ports and the return to tank port is normally at the bottom. The pressure regulator has a rubber diaphragm inside, along with a stainless steel check ball and spring. Scott pointed out “The diaphragm doesn’t care how it’s mounted” and we wanted our return to tank line running above the supply line, and we didn’t want a bunch of goofy looking bends. So we mounted the pressure regulator "upside down” from the typical manner of installation. (Yes, before we're done we will clean up the under-cab wiring so it doesn't look so haphazard.)

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The next step will be removing the factory distributor, intake manifold and carburetor, and installing the new Edelbrock components. Earlier in the project Scott and I had replaced the ignition wires with new ones. Well, the new distributor in the Pro Flo 4 kit uses a different style distributor cap. What’s different is the cap has HEI style connections which are a male post instead of the old style female sockets, so the existing fairly new ignition wires won’t fit. Edelbrock’s claim of “This kit includes everything you need for a hassle-free installation” appears to be so much BS. My guess is no one else is shocked, either. But as a company, why would you make such an outlandish and absurd claim? I think it’s even worse than Obama’s infamous “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan”… (except you couldn’t). Doing a little research one can purchase a package with new HEI style ends and rubber boots, so that’s the plan.

The ProFlo 4 intake manifold and throttle body look really nice and it seems almost criminal to install those and leave the stock Chrysler stamped steel valve covers and air cleaner…. Hmmm? Mebbe a little more project creep….
 

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Mrs. BFT and I had to leave home for two weeks while our house was (finally) being repaired after last winters ice dams and ensuing water leaks. While California got the lion’s share of last winter’s news, Utah got a LOT of snow. I’ve lived in Park City for 25 years and it was like no other winter I've seen. Many records were broken, and at one point we had over 300% of normal "snow-water equivalent" on the ground. (Snow-water equivalent is a measurement of the snow depth combined with the moisture content.) The Alta Ski Area had over 900 inches of snow!

Pics tell the story better.

April 1, 2022.

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Not quite the same angle, but taken April 5, 2023.

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But now we’re back, and work resumes on the 1544. We removed the stock intake manifold, carburetor and distributor from the engine and have installed the new Edelbrock replacement components. It was NOT a trouble-free process. The ProFlo 4 intake manifold installation was a genuine PITA. The intake manifold is secured to the cylinder heads with 12 bolts. Edelbrock offers an intake manifold bolt set for the Chrysler/Dodge 360 engine and the bolts are 3/8-16 x 1 3/4” long. I bought new SS socket head cap screws of those same dimensions; I mean Edelbrock should know, right? Well the outer 4 bolts on each side installed perfectly, but the inner two did not. The intake manifold is an aluminum casting with a cast lifter galley plate and the intake runners are in a raised X pattern. The inner two bolts on each side could not be installed at the 1 3/4” length as they contacted the inside legs of the X shaped runners. We cut about 1/4” off the bolts, and were able to install the left front inner X bolt, and the right rear X bolt. But the other two? No way. We trimmed one bolt by about an additional 1/16” and that worked in the right rear X bolt location, but it didn’t work in the left front X bolt location. We then cut a bit more off the bolt length, but that still didn’t work. We tried everything we could think of…and nothing worked. We eventually took a carbide burr and trimmed away some of the aluminum casting to be able to install that bolt. This is a really disappointing thing to have to do. This system is not cheap, and you would think the intake manifold would be designed and manufactured so it could be installed without having to resort to such measures... but no. If you’re thinking "Hey BFT, if you used either hex bolts or maybe 12 point bolts instead of those socket head cap screws, you’d have been okay”. Well, I did postulate hex bolts to Scott, but he quickly pointed out the head may be shorter, but the hex is larger in diameter, so that woudn't work. (Twelve point bolts are flanged bolts, and the flange diameter is 9/16”… no better.)

For threaded holes there are minimum thread engagement criteria, and in steel that is one times the bolt diameter; in our case 3/8”. We could have cut the bolt shorter and not had to break out the die grinder, but then the thread engagement would have been less than the accepted minimum. There is still plenty of thickness in the casting and we're sure the system will function fine. Edelbrock, that’s strike one.

Incidentally, I did some Googling and apparently this is a known issue. On at least one forum, several people have absolutely hammered Edelbrock for not fixing this problem, even though it had been reported several years ago. This guy pulled no punches "I thought that Edelbrock would have addressed such a simple design error... but no. As an engineer (although I don't work in this area) it is embarrassment to the profession to call this an engineered part.”

Scott already noticed the valve covers will not fit properly due to the way the intake manifold is cast, and on that same forum I saw the valve cover issue mentioned. Some people have the problem area intake manifold bosses milled to fix the problem (doing work Edelbrock’s should have done), some use two sets of gaskets, some modify their valve covers, but removing the flange where it hits the intake manifold sacrifices strength. It appears to be another issue that Edelbrock is aware of, yet does nothing about. I truly don’t understand that philosophy. Look at the iPhone, for example. Apple is continually improving the product, both hardware and software. When they learn about a problem, they come up with an acceptable solution... pronto. Edelbrock on the other hand, doesn’t seem to care... even a little bit. Wow!

I’m almost certain the intake manifolds are machined on CNC equipment. How much work would it entail to modify the programming and tooling to add reliefs in the intake manifold runners for bolt clearance, and machine the bosses for valve cover clearance? Yes, I'm stunned by their attitude, and their complete lack of commitment to both product quality and customer concern.

A little more Googling and I discovered the Edelbrock family/descendants of founder Vic Edelbrock, Sr. apparently sold the company to Industrial Opportunity Partners, a private equity company. I’m sure many forum members know of Remington Arms. Well, another private equity company, Cerberus Capital Management, bought Remington and subsequently "managed it” into bankruptcy. The legacies of once proud American manufacturers are sacrificed on the alter of profitability and wealth (read: greed) for the individual private equity company partners.

Okay, I’ll get off my soapbox and back on topic...

The distributor installation went smoothly and we changed the ends on the ignition wires. The stock intake manifold had two raised bosses of differing heights in the casting with threaded holes for the ignition coil mounting bracket attachment points. There are no such bosses on the Edelbrock intake manifold, so I ordered a universal coil mounting bracket and the plan is to mount that to the firewall.

Installing the Edelbrock system makes some previous system components superfluous, such as the ballast resistor and the ignition module. Our objective is to strip out the associated wiring from systems that are no longer functional, which means opening up the existing wiring harness. That can turn into a can of worms when sins of electrical buffoonery have been committed… and we’ve seen evidence of such sins on this machine. Hopefully, that process will go smoothly and the result will be a cleaned-up wiring harness and we will be successful in expunging those sins.
 
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