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[Cowboy]

Foggy, I posted this video on another forum around a year of two ago. Here's the thing. He's not alone; many prominent military, defense and political personnel have come forward over the last decade, over 400 military personnel alone, to blow the whistle on these issues, the government and NASA; and their only detractors are laymen and women. Those who aren't in the know. Why aren't the government or NASA challenging them, if they are talking nonsense?

Yup including the John Callahan the head of the FAA in Alaska. Heres one video but he has numurous others out.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdT_5eCZaRo"]John Callahan, head of FAA, tells proof of UFOs - YouTube[/ame]

Related article here. http://www.newsminer.com/pages/full...ater &id=15203985&instance=blogs_editors_desk

Another one is Former Arizona Governor Fife Symington. Article here.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/22360

There are literally thousands of high authority and highly respected individuals that have started talking recently, which a lot of them are included in the videos I posted earlier. Dont really matter though if you just refuse to at least question and ignore what is really so obvious.

 

[Cowboy]

Two more articles of cases that have been confirmed as true as well as highly documented .

http://www.thephoenixlights.net/Documentary.htm

http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/rendleshamforest.htm

 

[Lia]

In the last three years, the UN, the Vatican and NASA have made announcements regarding possible alien life. Are we being groomed for disclosure?


Since the Roswell incident in June 1947, there have been widespread rumours about not only the existence of aliens but also their involvement with the governments of the world.


Read more at Suite101: NASA Keeps Adding Information to the Possibility of Alien LIfe | Suite101.com [URL="http://www.suite101.com/content/nasa-keeps-adding-information-to-the-possibility-of-alien-life-a342279#ixzz1XCr3OXdb"]http://www.suite101.com/content/nasa-keeps-adding-information-to-the-possibility-of-alien-life-a342279#ixzz1XCr3OXdb[/URL]

I've been saying as much for a couple of years now. Even the media who have heretofore been noticeably reticent to report such things have been more open on the topic recently.

As for the Roswell incident, well, too much of that was classified for far too long for it to have been a weather balloon. No need to classify details of a downed weather balloon for pity's sake.

 

[Cowboy]

I've been saying as much for a couple of years now. Even the media who have heretofore been noticeably reticent to report such things have been more open on the topic recently.

As for the Roswell incident, well, too much of that was classified for far too long for it to have been a weather balloon. No need to classify details of a downed weather balloon for pity's sake.

Great link Lia with some very good related articles . This being a quote from one of them .

Robert Lazar aka Bob Lazar – Ex Physicist at Area 51

Bob Lazar’s involvement with the secret projects began in 1981. He believes he had been chosen to work there, not because of his credentials but because the interviewer believed he is someone who would not cause any problems. He faced no competition for the job.
He describes the security as being oppressive and in many ways slowing down the work he was contracted to do. The scientists working there had to use special goggles that allows you to only see straight for a few metres. Workers were paired, assigned to a specific compartment and not allowed to speak to anyone than their partner.
The project he was involved in was called Project Galileo. His job was to reverse engineer a flying saucer believed to have originated from the Zeta Reticulli star system. The technology used by the disc was based on the distortion of electromagnetic field. The craft produces a gravity wave that essentially works against the gravity field of Earth. During his time at the base, Bob Lazar says he has seen nine other types of crafts but cannot confirm whether they are all of alien origin.
Attempts on his life and that of his wife had been made since he went public but seems to have ceased.

http://www.suite101.com/content/5-most-important-whistleblowers-in-black-projects-a335354


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[Lia]

I posted this in one of Cowboys other threads earlier in the year, but in case anyone who is interested missed it, I'll copy and paste it here. From Lt. Colonel Philip J. Corso's book on his military dealings in the Roswell UFO Crash.

CHAPTER 15

My Last Year in R&D: The Hoover Files, Fiber Optics, Supertenacity, and Other Artifacts

I BARELY PICKED MY HEAD UP FROM THE PILES OF TECHNICAL proposals on my desk during the winter months of 1961. The work didn’t even stop for the Christmas holiday, when most of Washington likes to take a break and head for the West Virginia mountains or the Maryland countryside. I was traveling a lot during the final months of 1961, seeing weapons undergo testing at proving grounds around the country, meeting with university researchers on such diverse items as the preservation of food or the conversion of spent atomic pile material into weapons, and developing intelligence reports for General Trudeau on the kinds of technologies that might shape weapons development into the next decade.

With my other eye, I was keeping a look out for any reports going to the Air Intelligence Command about UFO sightings that I thought Army Intelligence should be thinking about. The AIC was the next step in classification from the Project Blue Book people. Its job, besides the obvious task of moving any urgent UFO reports up the ladder of secrecy to the next levels where they would disappear behind the veil of camouflage, was to classify the type of event or incident the sighting seemed to indicate. ​

Usually that meant separating real aircraft sightings that needed to be investigated for pure military intelligence purposes from either true UFO sightings that needed to be processed by whatever elements of the original working group were on watch or false sightings that needed to be sent back down to Blue Book to be debunked. The AIC loved it when it had actual false sightings it could send back: an obvious meteorite that they could confirm, some visual anomaly having to do with an alignment of planets, or, best of all, a couple of clowns somewhere that decided to pull a Halloween prank and scare the locals. ​

There were guys running around wheat fields with snowshoes or submitting photos of flying frozen pie tins to the local papers. Then the folks at Blue Book could release the story to the press, and everybody patted themselves on the back for the job they were all doing. Life could be fun in the early 1960s, especially if you didn’t know the truth. ​

Moving into 1962, Army Intelligence was lit up with rumors about potential threats coming in from all over the place. The anti-Castro Cubans were mad about the President’s refusal to support the Bay of Pigs invasion and were looking for revenge; Castro was mad about the Bay of Pigs invasion and was looking to get back at us; Khrushchev was still furious about the U2 and the Bay of Pigs and thinking Kennedy was a pushover, would soon jump on an opportunity to force us into some humiliating compromise. ​

The Russians were on the verge of sending manned spacecraft into extended orbital flights and robot probes out to explore Venus. We were way behind in the space race and none of the services had the budget or the ability to get us back into the fight. NASA was telling the President they would have to dig in, develop the technology base, and, by the middle of the decade, put on a show for the whole world. But now, as the year turned, it was all silent running until we could put something up we could brag about. ​

The army was making ominous noises about events in Southeast Asia. The more the army pushed to get troops on the ground, the more the Kennedy administration refused to get involved. The army was telling the President we would eventually be sucked into a war we could not win and the events would control us instead of our controlling them. Later that same year, I would be offered the job of director of intelligence for the Army Special Forces units already operating in the Southeast Asian theater. ​

At about the same time the army said it was going to name Gen. Arthur Trudeau as the commander of all U.S. forces in South Vietnam. As our names were being circulated, General Trudeau confided to me that he doubted we would get the jobs. And if we did, he said, it would be a toss-up as to who would be the most unhappy, the Vietcong or the U.S. Army.

“If they send us over there, Phil, “ he said after one of our morning briefings, “one of two things will happen. Either we’ll both get court martialed or we’ll win the damn war. Either way the army’s not going to like the way we do business. “

Read on:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/dayafterroswell/dayafter15.htm​

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Lt. Colonel Philip J. Corso:
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http://paradigmresearchgroup.org/Awards/Corso_Philip.htm

 

[fogtender]

Foggy, I posted this video on another forum around a year of two ago. Here's the thing. He's not alone; many prominent military, defense and political personnel have come forward over the last decade, over 400 military personnel alone, to blow the whistle on these issues, the government and NASA; and their only detractors are laymen and women. Those who aren't in the know. Why aren't the government or NASA challenging them, if they are talking nonsense?

I don't doubt his beliefs at all, I just wish they would put more in the video with who he was, where the meeting was, who was there etc. I find him interesting to hear.

 

[Cowboy]

This is the best video I have found that has been studyed by many experts and proved to be genuine. It not only shows the UFO but the occupants inside. The first vid is the one that has been examined by experts with comments. Decide for yourselves .

Turkey UFO Clearly Shows Aliens - Dr Roger Leir
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUEjeYn5Obg&feature=player_embedded"]Turkey UFO Clearly Shows Aliens - Dr Roger Leir - YouTube[/ame]
Ufo Video From Turkey Shows Alien Occupants
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89KkYMS8jkk"]Ufo Video From Turkey Shows Alien Occupants, Part 1. - YouTube[/ame]
Computer Analysis and Enhancement of Turkey's 2008 UFO Video
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGoSHfI3d5o&feature=related"]Computer Analysis and Enhancement of Turkey's 2008 UFO Video - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Doc]

I posted this in one of Cowboys other threads earlier in the year, but in case anyone who is interested missed it, I'll copy and paste it here. From Lt. Colonel Philip J. Corso's book on his military dealings in the Roswell UFO Crash.

Interesting post Lia. I missed in when you posted it somewhere else on here. Lots to read but very very interesting. I'm still not all the way done with it but I'll get there.

 

[Cowboy]

Other very prominent people that have come forward about their experiences with UFO's. I guess there is only a few of us that care to discuss this though.


Astronaut Gordon Cooper Talks About UFOs

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc&NR=1"]Astronaut Gordon Cooper Talks About UFOs - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3zotvpZLnY&feature=related"]real UFO sighting during CNN broadcast - YouTube[/ame]

aliens exist says buzz aldrin

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpfvhdmhQy4&feature=related"]aliens exist says buzz aldrin - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKdvBidbwnQ&feature=related"]Mexican Government Admits Aliens are Real - YouTube[/ame]

US Government ADMITS UFOs - Alien contact disclosed in Press Conference

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeLtVp2FOqQ&feature=related"]US Government ADMITS UFOs - Alien contact disclosed in Press Conference - YouTube[/ame]

CNN Report UFO Truth Revealed By CIA,FBI & US Government

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0v0DhNcDn4&feature=related"]CNN Report UFO Truth Revealed By CIA,FBI & US Government UNBELIVEABLE!!! - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Cowboy]

Interesting short video about what was found on the moon . The truth is going to come out and very soon IMO .

It may very well be Obama's last ditch effort to get another 4 year term though .

My Favourite clip from the UFO Disclosure Project

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6QNzH4x1rY&feature=related"]My Favourite clip from the UFO Disclosure Project - YouTube[/ame]

Video with actual pics of the bases .

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6VYCkcfGco&feature=related"]UFO: The Greatest Story Ever Denied - Moon Bases - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Lia]

Interesting post Lia. I missed in when you posted it somewhere else on here. Lots to read but very very interesting. I'm still not all the way done with it but I'll get there.

Thanks Doc, for the interest and input... I've had a really busy week, so didn't see this post, but when I get the time I will sort thro my archives to post more from Corso (who sadly, is now deceased).

Other very prominent people that have come forward about their experiences with UFO's. I guess there is only a few of us that care to discuss this though.

Bob, you are indefatigable in your pursuit of the truth. Amazing stuff you are finding here. As you know, I've had a hell of a week in a personal way, and so I haven't had time to catch up with all that you've posted recently.

I have seen the Turkish video above before, but never seen the enhance follow-ups. They're intriguing... I'm just a bit concerned (altho I expect it can be explained, since what I know about technology could be put in a small matchbox and thrown into the ocean, for all its worth); but the first Turkish video seems to have been compiled of shots taken over a period of two or three years?

Are the shots of different sightings and different craft then? Again I don't have the time to view it properly today either, and I haven't seen your other video's yet, posted yesterday, the 8th. I'm looking forward to that, maybe this afternoon if I can find a couple of hours to really listen to the rest of the following video's you've posted.

I think I've probably heard all that Aldrin has to say on the subject, but not Cooper.

As for your comment above regarding the few that are posting here; my thoughts on that are that the topic is getting the views, and if folk aren't commenting at least they are reading, and digesting a topic that may be new, a bit scary, or perhaps not credible to them. People need time to adjust, and examine their previously held views and opinions. So, perhaps they feel more comfortable just reading about it all, and assessing the material for themselves, in their own time, and at their own pace.

I think its wonderful that they are viewing tho. And that, imho, is mainly thanks to you and your inexhaustible efforts to enlighten us all on the subject. I always thought that there wasn't much else that needed to be known on the topic, but your [posts have dispelled that rather grandiose notion. lol

Rock on hon...

 

[Cowboy]

Thankyou Lia, I'm glad to help to at least get what information I find out for people to view and make their own decisions.

I wanted to post a few other video's but ran accross this and I think its much more important at this time. Here is a little intro to whats in it below the video. This is a very recent video and the people giving the speaches their credibility should speak for theirselves. I hope everyone takes the time to watch it.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDRkJn2NkE4&feature=channel_video_title"]Out of the Blue - Military Disclosure Has Begun - National Press Club LIVE, Washington D.C[/ame]
| Jul 27, 2011 |


Join us for a truly historic event. At the National Press Club in Washington D.C., an unprecedented gathering of top military and government officials from around the world met LIVE before members of the Press to present to the public alarming facts about UFOs and an extraterrestrial presence now engaging the planet Earth. This presentation provides LIVE coverage of that historic press conference. In attendance for this shocking, Earth shattering event includes former Governor of Arizona - Fife Symington; Belgian Airforce Major General, Ret. - Wilfried De Brouwer; Engineer, Astronomer and Astrophysicist - Dr. Claude Poher; Captain, Air France, Ret. - Jean-Charles Duboc; French Astrophysicist - Dr. Jean-Claude Ribes; General, Iranian Airforce, Ret. - Parviz Jafari; Captain, Army of Chile - Rodrigo Bravo Garrido; Commander, Peruvian Airforce, Ret. Oscar Santa Maria Huertas; Founding Member of the Peruvian Airforce Office of Investigation of Anomalous Ariel Phenomena (OIFAA) - Dr. Anthony Choy; Captain, Aurigny Airlines, UK - Ray Bowyer; Officer, British Ministry of Defense, Ret. - Nick Pope; Sgt. United States Airforce, Ret. - James Penniston; Col. United States Airforce, Ret. - Charles Halt; and Division Chief of the Accident Evaluations and Investigations Division of the FAA, Washington D.C., Ret. - John Callahan.

This event was produced by Filmmaker James Fox. His award winning feature film "Out of the Blue" - is coming to DVD in a new special anniversary edition on 8/30/2011 from UFOTV. It's loaded with bonus features and interviews including this press conference.

http://www.youtube.com/user/UFOTVstudios#p/u/27/uDRkJn2NkE4

 

[fogtender]

Lia,

This has been am very interesting thread to say the least, thanks and to all the others that have been posting as well!

Keep the stuff coming!

 

[Cowboy]

Another very good video of evidence taken by the space shuttle and being discussed . If you dont have the patience to watch the whole thing skip to the 4 minute mark and at least watch the last part . Thanks to all that are interested.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn-a1mvTM_w&feature=related"]The BEST UFO Footage - NASA Captures UFOs on Camera - UFOs are REAL - Government is Lying - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Lia]

Here, in the link below, for those interested, is ‘the lost interview’ with Lt. Col. Philip J. Corso.

http://www.youtube.com/user/UFOTVstudios#p/u/1/DpffcjnXMx0

However, Corso has had his detractors. Especially those who cast doubts on his ‘positions held in the field of intelligence’ during his military career. Here is an expose, not of his critics so much as the debunkers; two different breeds of researcher, if one could call a debunker a researcher.

In the link below…

‘Colonel Philip Corso and his Critics: Crossing the Rubicon between Objective Criticism and Debunking,’

Is a fascinating examination of the facts of his career, and a telling indictment of those who wish, need, or desire to discredit him, and others like him, military whistle-blowers. I hope that those who hope to get to the truth of the matter, concerning this controversial but essentially crucial topic under discussion, will find it interesting.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_ZZO.htm

Included at the end of the above link, are many more links related to the topic under discussion.

Enjoy.

 

[Cowboy]

Great video Lia , I hadn't gotten around to watching that untill now .

Since you meantioned the term " Debunkers" I though I would post this video of Stanton Friedman where He "Debunks the Debunkers" it quite humerous IMO but it does get to the point.

Revised and Updated! At the center of the ET and UFO truth embargo is a core of propaganda promulgated over 50 years in the guise of scientific skepticism. This false "skepticism" came to be known as "debunking." Having given more than 700 lectures about flying saucers in 15 countries; published more than 80 papers, 2 books, and visited 20 document archives; Stanton Friedman has heard all the objections the human mind can conjure in opposition to the extraterrestrial hypothesis. In the workshop, all objections will be discussed such as the notions that interstellar travel is impossible, there is no good evidence for flying saucer reality, secrets can't be kept, aliens engaging the earth would land on the White House lawn, SETI (Silly Effort to Investigate) is sensible science, the Drake Equation predicts extraterrestrial contact is unlikely and other false arguments. For those who want to test their skeptical mettle against this research legend, here is your chance.

The X-Conference is pleased to welcome Nuclear Physisist and UFO Researcher Stanton T. Friedman.

http://www.youtube.com/user/UFOTVstudios#p/u/22/crg67I276iU

 

[Lia]

Many of you will want to mute your volume control or at the very least lower it to acceptable levels with this link. Don’t say I didn’t warn y’all. lol.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=567OW2yt8ak&feature=player_embedded"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=567OW2yt8ak&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

One has to assess and make up their own minds as to the authenticity of many of the videos and leaked images from NASA. The only thing that I would say is that one needs to keep an open mind on the controversy, because not all conspiracies were hoaxes, not by a long way. I’m on the fence on this next video, but its not, by any means, the only one out there showing these anomalies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=i4jARNJEh60

This next video, supposedly filmed by Armstrong in ’69 is rather sinister, imho. If true, it must be the most outstanding revelation in the last century. However, I am concerned about one or two areas of the video that make a sort of ‘popping sound’ rather as if someone has knocked, or dropped something, and the sounds sort of echo, as if in an empty room. I don’t know enuff about this type of technology to be able to make an intelligent assessment of the video content or the unusual sounds. I’d be interested to hear others views on it tho. I don’t, by any means, rule out its authenticity, but I do have a couple of serious reservations.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWkGTJEK0Mc&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWkGTJEK0Mc&feature=related[/ame]

 

[Lia]

Lia,

This has been am very interesting thread to say the least, thanks and to all the others that have been posting as well!

Keep the stuff coming!

Thanks Foggy, and I will keep on posting links.

 

[Lia]

The Nellis UFO Study and Footage:

In February 1995 the American TV show 'Hard Copy' broadcast a videotape showing an unidentified object flying over a North American military test range. Further footage was shown the following December on the 'Sightings' TV show.ref 1 The videotape had apparently been filmed by a high-tech Air Force surveillance camera at an undisclosed location within the Nellis Air Force Base Bombing and Gunnery Range Complex, Nevada (often referred to simply as the Nellis Test Range).

The videotape is said to have been smuggled out by contractor personnel who had operated tracking stations on the Nellis range. Copies of the videotape were sold to Paramount Studios (producers of 'Hard Copy' and 'Sightings') by a former Air Force employee who worked on the range, although apparently he had not witnessed the object himself.2

Two sections of videotape showing the UFO have come to light. The first section was filmed from a location known as S-30, according to the camera's data display. This shows the object initially as an indistinct 'blob' flying in front of a distant mountain range, before it turns and heads towards the camera location. The camera operator struggles to keep the object within shot as it approaches, and it soon becomes clear that it cannot be identified. It looks similar to a blimp, but with four light-coloured 'lobes' and a dark region at the front (Figure 1). As it nears, it turns to face the tracking station for several seconds, as if performing some kind of surveillance, before it turns away and departs. The footage is of special importance because the voices of the camera operators at the tracking station can be heard on the noisy soundtrack. Their bewilderment at the unexpected appearance of the UFO is clearly audible. "What the hell is it?" one of them exclaims; "Where's it come from?" asks another.

Read on:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mjpowell/Nellis/Part1/Part1.htm

 

[Lia]

Artificial structures on Mars.



This next link is an amazing site, and has numerous photo’s of various anomalies on Mars.

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydonia/asom/artifact_html/default.htm

 

[fogtender]

Artificial structures on Mars.



This next link is an amazing site, and has numerous photo’s of various anomalies on Mars.

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydonia/asom/artifact_html/default.htm

Gosh, that looks like the tracks my Imp makes across the snow! Guess if they have them up there, the Martians should fit right in here on FF's! Unless they have those Krusty Kritter thingy's, then they may be a little hostile having to walk a lot!

OK back to the serious stuff!

 

[fogtender]

Here is another great recent documentary that is full of evidence and testimony. It just seems like most just dont really care enough to watch to make up their own minds.

Secret Access: UFOs On The Record (History Channel FULL) - YouTube

Don't seem to be able to get that one to play the video.

 

[fogtender]

Foggy, I posted this video on another forum around a year of two ago. Here's the thing. He's not alone; many prominent military, defense and political personnel have come forward over the last decade, over 400 military personnel alone, to blow the whistle on these issues, the government and NASA; and their only detractors are laymen and women. Those who aren't in the know. Why aren't the government or NASA challenging them, if they are talking nonsense?

Problem the Military people have like pilots and such is that if they say they saw something that clearly wasn't of this earth, they are either ordered not to talk about it or deemed too "unstable" and taken off flight status until they decide that they really didn't see anything at all. So it is much easier to see nothing and continue doing what you like to do.

A friend of mine use to fly U2's during the Cold War and said he saw "Oddities" up where no other aircraft could fly at the time, but the quickest way to be "Ground bound", was to say something about it.

 

[Cowboy]

Don't seem to be able to get that one to play the video.

Not sure why not, it still works for me , I can try to find a different link for it if it isn't working for anyone else . But its damn sure worth watching .

 

[fogtender]

Being the devils advocate on the videos showing blurred out "Structures" on the moon done by NASA, I would say they do look like outlines of building of some kind, but what I see wrong with the photos is there is no tracks on the surface of the moon. Seems it would be hard to build bases and not leave some kind of tracks unless they flew off the surface verses drove over it.

I can't copy and paste using my iPhone, but if someone can google Apollo moon tracks, the photos were released a few days ago, they show where the rover and Astronauts walked around the Lunar Lander, pretty neat for being 40 plus years ago, sharp as if they were made today.

Anyway, I have no doubt that something is out there, but seems they would leave tracks if they left buildings as well unless the buildings were just set there! Interesting just the same, but being a tracker of sorts my whole life, those are things I look for.

 

[Cowboy]

Being the devils advocate on the videos showing blurred out "Structures" on the moon done by NASA, I would say they do look like outlines of building of some kind, but what I see wrong with the photos is there is no tracks on the surface of the moon. Seems it would be hard to build bases and not leave some kind of tracks unless they flew off the surface verses drove over it.

I can't copy and paste using my iPhone, but if someone can google Apollo moon tracks, the photos were released a few days ago, they show where the rover and Astronauts walked around the Lunar Lander, pretty neat for being 40 plus years ago, sharp as if they were made today.

Anyway, I have no doubt that something is out there, but seems they would leave tracks if they left buildings as well! Interesting just the same!

Yep I seen the video of the old tracks that were left on the moon as well as all of the trash we left while we were there .

Nasa has absolutlly no credibility to me anymore as far as what they release to the press , far to many people that worked for them have said they they know what they have seem when they went there .

But if folks want to beleive Nasa that is controlled by the same government thats been hiding crap for decades then I dont know what to tell You . If everyone would take the time to just watch the videos posted in this thread you can decide for yourselves . Theres a few of us that take the time to sort out as much BS as we can so others wont have to, it dont make it all true or fact , but the ones thatare allways so ready to debunk things have no proof whatsoever. But most like to have smoke blowed up your butts because it just seems much safer that way .

I doubt many know that Nasa has just sent another rocket up to do another experiment on the moon, but they did . All you have to do is go to Nasa's site because in most cases that aint even news anymore .

 

[fogtender]

Yep I seen the video of the old tracks that were left on the moon as well as all of the trash we left while we were there .

I think that somewhere Between the sixties and seventies NASA went from "can do" to "maybe".

They went from people that wanted to go out and see the Universe to people that were more concerned about their 401k.

Then it went into the CYA mode to what amounts to current nothing, with our President shutting it down to take the money's to use on social programs. Long spiral downhill to where we are now, on our way full speed ahead to third world status.

If there was an ET Status on NASA's documents, I think they don't/didn't want to let anyone know they and the military were totally inept at dealing with it, so don't talk about it, was pretty much their call.

 

[Danang Sailor]

Artificial structures on Mars.

This next link is an amazing site, and has numerous photo’s of various anomalies on Mars.

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydonia/asom/artifact_html/default.htm

Lia,

Sites such as the one above can make skeptics out of believers! You MUST accept that "The Face on Mars" is artificial in order
to buy into anything else, as absolutely ALL of the following "data" (triangles, etc.) are based on the presumption
that, since "The Face" is artificial, so must these be. And that is faulty reasoning, as there is a great deal of doubt as to
whether or not "The Face" is anything more than a natural anomaly. Nature gives us startling things constantly!

For example, go to Google Maps, satellite view, and enter the following coordinates: 50° 0'38.20"N 110° 6'48.32"W
(you may need to move the map to the right a smidgeon)

Note the astounding detail: a chin, lips, a nose (with nostrils!), eyes, eyebrows ... even a fancy headdress! How could
all this have happened without intelligent beings doing it? Surely this must be Significant!! Does this not prove
that ancient natives carved this as a sign to space-farers, or that aliens left it as a sign they had been here? It MUST, as
they even put an IPod earphone in his/her ear!! Doesn't this prove that aliens were here? Doesn't this demolish all
the skeptics? Do pigs fly??

Please understand that I am firmly on the side of those who know that Project Blue Book was actually a cover-up
operation, and that, for whatever reason, this little planet has been frequently visited by folks from somewhere else.
But quoting sites such as 'metaresearch' is going to tarnish your own reputation, as it is clearly non-objective and
based on circular logic*. There are a lot of legitimate, thoughtful sites out there ... try to research a bit more
to be sure you're not encouraging people to go to a site that will damage our case.



*Essentially, a formal logical fallacy which assumes its own central point is already proven, and then uses this assumption to
support itself. A classic example:
"Only a thief would become an auto mechanic. The fact that there are dishonest mechanics proves this."

 

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Sites such as the one above can make skeptics out of believers! You MUST accept that "The Face on Mars" is artificial in order
to buy into anything else, as absolutely ALL of the following "data" (triangles, etc.) are based on the presumption
that, since "The Face" is artificial, so must these be. And that is faulty reasoning, as there is a great deal of doubt as to
whether or not "The Face" is anything more than a natural anomaly. Nature gives us startling things constantly!

I agree, and that is why I chose ‘the tracks’ picture from that site and not the ‘face’ which as you say is a controversial subject, and which is much disputed. There is doubt regarding the ‘face’ but as you implied, the jury is still out on it. Personally I believe that it (the face) is merely a natural formation, but then I don’t know nearly enuff about geology to hazard a guess even.

As you said, and I agree there also, that, assuming all else at the site is suspect, because the research hasn’t established yet whether it’s a natural formation or not, is indeed faulty reasoning. It isn’t my aim to convert folk here, but merely to get them thinking ‘outside of the box’ so to speak; to show that the conventional route taken by history isn’t always the correct route, and which has often been proven to be so.

For example, go to Google Maps, satellite view, and enter the following coordinates: 50° 0'38.20"N 110° 6'48.32"W
(you may need to move the map to the right a smidgeon)

Note the astounding detail: a chin, lips, a nose (with nostrils!), eyes, eyebrows ... even a fancy headdress! How could
all this have happened without intelligent beings doing it? Surely this must be Significant!! Does this not prove
that ancient natives carved this as a sign to space-farers, or that aliens left it as a sign they had been here? It MUST, as
they even put an IPod earphone in his/her ear!! Doesn't this prove that aliens were here? Doesn't this demolish all
the skeptics? Do pigs fly??

Well, I hate to belabour the point, but I’ll try again; I didn’t post a picture, anywhere in this thread, of the alleged Martian face, because as you say, it’s more likely to be a natural formation. Your co-ordinates took me somewhere south east of Calgary, but I saw nothing there that could be construed as a face. Had I seen it, and believed it to be constructed by design I wouldhave considered it to be worthy of posting here. However, this below (from the same site) is worthy of posting and a topic for debate.

Please understand that I am firmly on the side of those who know that Project Blue Book was actually a cover-up
operation, and that, for whatever reason, this little planet has been frequently visited by folks from somewhere else.

Glad to know that, DS, and don’t worry, I don’t take it as a personal attack, why would I, since we both subscribe to the fundamental belief that we are not alone in this universe.

But quoting sites such as 'metaresearch' is going to tarnish your own reputation, as it is clearly non-objective and
based on circular logic*. There are a lot of legitimate, thoughtful sites out there ... try to research a bit more
to be sure you're not encouraging people to go to a site that will damage our case.

DS, had I not started the thread I doubt very much that folk here would have given the topic a second thought. I have brought much to the site that is worthy of provoking thought, as has Cowboy; and all sites, however biased, have some parts that are worthy of attention, on this topic. My ‘reputation’ whatever it is here, is not of first consideration to me; alerting folk to the fact that we are not alone here is extremely important, imho; because I firmly believe that ‘disclosure’ is imminent..

But for mine and Cowboys input here, on this topic, there would be no case to damage!

Its all very well to go behind the scenes to assure me that your post was not an attack on me personally; but your reasoning for it, and comments such as ‘Pigs might fly’ says otherwise. If you are so on board with us, then instead of attacking me why haven’t you provided anything heretofore, of substance on the topic?

The same site has this picture below: Perhaps it could be explained by geologists, perhaps not, perhaps whatever explanation would be mere speculation, but then that’s what we’re here for, to discuss and debate it, without trying to cast aspersions on one who at least had the nerve to broach the subject on a very conservative site.


Just so folk understand, I have bolded type that Suggests rather than claims to be something that is unproven. You might want to note that the bolded type has only been highlighted, but all came from commentary on this site which is apparently, so er… biased.

Crenulations are underground tubes: Ground fissures seem to expose a network of glassy or translucent underground tubes. The bright spot might be a specular reflection of the Sun, consistent with a glassy or plastic skin. The magnified view shows that the white lines are bands that appear to wrap completely around the tubes. Source: M0400291.gif.

 

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Some more 'suggested anomalies' from the site, with quotes:

Slide one:

Possible vegetation: The thickness of the dark structures increases at lower altitudes, just as it does on Earth. The edges have a fractal character, almost a signature of vegetation on Earth. On the right, a radial quality, much like terrestrial life with a stem or trunk, may be discerned. Sources: M1001442.gif & M0804688.gif.

Slide two:

Possible trees. Here we see enough detail to detect what appear to be branches and limb structure unfolding from a center, as for large plants with a trunk. This resembles no known type of geological feature on Earth or any other planet or moon yet explored. Source: M0804688.gif.