I Challenge All The Aviators, Builders and Engineers Here At FF…

[Cowboy]

Lia,

Sites such as the one above can make skeptics out of believers! You MUST accept that "The Face on Mars" is artificial in order
to buy into anything else, as absolutely ALL of the following "data" (triangles, etc.) are based on the presumption
that, since "The Face" is artificial, so must these be. And that is faulty reasoning, as there is a great deal of doubt as to
whether or not "The Face" is anything more than a natural anomaly. Nature gives us startling things constantly!

For example, go to Google Maps, satellite view, and enter the following coordinates: 50° 0'38.20"N 110° 6'48.32"W
(you may need to move the map to the right a smidgeon)

Note the astounding detail: a chin, lips, a nose (with nostrils!), eyes, eyebrows ... even a fancy headdress! How could
all this have happened without intelligent beings doing it? Surely this must be Significant!! Does this not prove
that ancient natives carved this as a sign to space-farers, or that aliens left it as a sign they had been here? It MUST, as
they even put an IPod earphone in his/her ear!! Doesn't this prove that aliens were here? Doesn't this demolish all
the skeptics? Do pigs fly??

Please understand that I am firmly on the side of those who know that Project Blue Book was actually a cover-up
operation, and that, for whatever reason, this little planet has been frequently visited by folks from somewhere else.
But quoting sites such as 'metaresearch' is going to tarnish your own reputation, as it is clearly non-objective and
based on circular logic*. There are a lot of legitimate, thoughtful sites out there ... try to research a bit more
to be sure you're not encouraging people to go to a site that will damage our case.



*Essentially, a formal logical fallacy which assumes its own central point is already proven, and then uses this assumption to
support itself. A classic example:
"Only a thief would become an auto mechanic. The fact that there are dishonest mechanics proves this."

DS, I am confused as to why you would choose to comment on something that hasn't even been mentioned in this thread as far as evidence much less proof.

There are many sites that are questionable as far as doctered so called proof and ussually the comments made by some are what makes a site questionable IMHO . But I am glad they are out there to make people aware of things that may very well exsist , its just up to each individual to decide for theirselves AFTER taking the time to do some of your own research . Thats why I cant stand skeptics because they have it set in their minds such things dont or cant exsist but have absolutly have no proof or evidence that they dont.

That said , I use several different sites to do my research on things that interest me, and when I find something specific I do more research . When I think I have enough then I post it merely as an interesting topic , not saying anything is fact. Much like your opinion of "do pigs fly" , do you have any proof or evidence they dont?

My main point is that there are things known to Nasa and the government that they have gone to far out of their way to keep from the public for reasons unknown . Some of the experts in different software programs that can see through blurred images and give interesting opinions after doing their research, and I for one like to at least look at them and come to my own desicion while keeping an open mind .

Just because some so called experts are so quick to debunk something doesn't mean they are anymore credible then anyone else , they just have their own agenda and reasoning for doing so IMHO.

There are literally hundreds of what appear to be face like images, not only on Mars but the moon as well . I use the sites that do their studys mainly to get the coordinates so I can view for myself through google earth or other satelite imagery sites that are available on the net.

Also you mentioned the other face structure in Canada that you pointed out " they even put an IPOD in his/hers ear" either you were just being sarcastic which I would like to think , OR you are not really aware of the layout on the land around that area.

At any rate here is another interesting anomoly found on mars . I will post it because I find it anything but a natural formation but that dont make it a fact. Once again people have to decide for theirselves .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?src_vi...gY&annotation_id=annotation_472124&feature=iv

http://www.msss.com/msss_images/2008/02/14/

Link for attached photo. All original photo credits belongs to NASA . http://marsanomalies.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=anomalies&action=display&thread=163

 

[fogtender]

I think that this thread is outstanding in the information that people have supplied, some is older and most is new that I've never seen before and find it very informative!

The people that are coming forward in the media nowadays verses 30 years ago is astounding! These aren't some mom and pop guys claiming they were "Probed" to gain TV Fame, they are people that are credible and are putting their careers on the line!

I would say we are in fact seeing "Pigs Fly"!

Lia has done a very nice job of putting forth this thread as well as others that are contributing.

Thank you guys!

 

[BigAl]

I think that this thread is outstanding in the information that people have supplied, some is older and most is new that I've never seen before and find it very informative!

The people that are coming forward in the media nowadays verses 30 years ago is astounding! These aren't some mom and pop guys claiming they were "Probed" to gain TV Fame, they are people that are credible and are putting their careers on the line!

I would say we are in fact seeing "Pigs Fly"!

Lia has done a very nice job of putting forth this thread as well as others that are contributing.

Thank you guys!

Thats all fine and dandy but if I get nightmares tonight from all this stuff , someone is going to hold me till I go back to sleep !!

 

[Snowtrac Nome]

i think the krusty was alien inspired to why else would it not look like other snow cat's

 

[Lia]

Thats all fine and dandy but if I get nightmares tonight from all this stuff , someone is going to hold me till I go back to sleep !!

lol. But, you'll be fine. I'd put money on you, of all folk, being able to handle anything that life throws at you.

 

[muleman]

I have some scars that look a lot like that one picture with the tubes.Maybe it is a dead giant?

 

[Lia]

I was going to write something on the article in the link, but my computer is playing up again and I can't get to the info I wanted in order to talk about it... I'll do so in a later post.

Exclusive: NASA Scientist Claims Evidence of Alien Life on Meteorite

We are not alone in the universe -- and alien life forms may have a lot more in common with life on Earth than we had previously thought.

That's the stunning conclusion one NASA scientist has come to, releasing his groundbreaking revelations in a new study in the March edition of the Journal of Cosmology

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/03/05/exclusive-nasa-scientists-claims-evidence-alien-life-meteorite/#ixzz1XmKci1ne
[/quote]

 

[fogtender]

By chance there was a show on the Military Channel about the NAZI's interest in UFO's and what lengths they were going to trying to duplicate some of their technology. Seems they spent a lot of time and effort for something that nobody believed in at the time.

If I can find a link to the video, I will post it. Was very interesting how they came up with it.

 

[fogtender]

This isn't the video I was looking for on the NAZI UFO program, but it is on the same subject that the video I was looking for didn't cover!


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoMR_Oj6Qrs&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]The Aldebaran Mystery - Nazi UFO Secrets - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Lia]

Interesting video Foggy. Of course the 2nd world war was not the only war in history to feature sightings or mentions of UFO's. They go back thousands of years...

Scientists find fifty new planets… and one of them could have alien life:

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-50-new-planets-alien-life.html#ixzz1XqHTBfms

European astronomers have discovered 50 new planets beyond our solar system, including 16 which are a similar size to Earth.

This is the largest number of such planets ever announced at one time.

The biggest planet of the new batch is HD 85512 b, which is 3.6 times the mass of Earth and can be found 36 light-years away in the Vela constellation.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-50-new-planets-alien-life.html#ixzz1XqH6oNBB

 

[Lia]

This isn't the video I was looking for on the NAZI UFO program, but it is on the same subject that the video I was looking for didn't cover!


The Aldebaran Mystery - Nazi UFO Secrets - YouTube

Yes, I'm quite sure, that with reverse engineering, other nations, especially the USA have constructed some of the 'UFO's' that are reported since the 2nd world war. I don't think for one second that Germany had the monopoly on their construction.

I don't, for one second believe that Lyttons works were derived from anything more than literary fiction, based on the 'Vril.' And, imho, one should take with a pinch of salt the utterings of such as Maria Orsic who, like Billy Meier, may cause serious researchers of this phenomenon to be ridiculed and proclaimed to be allowing their imaginations to run away with them. Guilty by association, with those who have no other proof to their claims of other interplanetary races, than that of 'divine intelligence' thro channelling.

My hair is long; I don't, for one second, put my UFO sightings down to the length of my hair, or any such like nonsense. Unfortunately, with any kind of research into such phenomena the crazies come out of the woodwork, in force, and its hard to be objective. But one has to at least understand this, and try to sift the 'evidence' in a sytematic and logical manner.

 

[Cowboy]

Interesting video and article Foggy and Lia . I have been busy with among other things doing some more research on the video I had posted earlier and I am reposting it again along with a link that has a lot of information, research, vids and other links related to it . Its by far the best group of evidence I have found yet allthough some of it is repeats that have been posted before , well worth the look though as it still to this day appears to be genuine footage .

There have been many skeptics that have tried to debunk it with crap I cant even beleive they throw out there. Ones explanation is it is the top deck of a cruise ship and he has spent many years trying to prove it. Talk about a crazie.

At any rate here it is if anyone is interested , some of the links might be dead but theres still plenty of newer research, several videos at the link at the very bottom of this post. .

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uum5NNQJ2zY&feature=player_embedded"]UFO Istanbul / Kumburgaz Turkey - YouTube[/ame]

Saturday, April 16, 2011

​

This case developed in the location of Kumburgaz, Turkey between the years 2007, 2008 and 2009 and is still ongoing. The video was taken by a security guard at the Yeni Kent Compound which is located along the beach. One singularity of this case was that the images were made with a camera that had an adaptor for close ups of 200X optical, achieving a great amount of detail of the objects. During this period several minutes of close range video were taken of metallic ufos floating or changing while in flight over the sea coast of Marmara.

Many special effects and imaging experts have tried to debunk the footage including: Prof. José Atenas, an expert in graphics and video, with more than 30 years of experience on television, Prof. phD. Zeki EKERDirector National Council For The Study Of Science And Technology and National Observatory, and Mario Valdesfrom Santiago Chile. Other analysis were done by video specialists, image edition and special effect companies from Japan, Russia and Turkey, all ending up with the same conclusions. Each expert that studied the raw footage did not detect any evidence pointing in the direction of a balloon, prop, model, or special effects.

Short Video Explanation - 15 Minutes ​

​

​

Sirius UFO Space Science Research Center ​

At first, the videos were analyzed and made public by the, directed by the researcher Haktan Akdogan. Sirius UFO Space Science Research Center firstly, spoke with all the witnesses separately then did the detailed analysis of the videos. With participation of the members of their science board, they enlarged the video images. They did all the detailed analysis, checked their pixels, and went through frame by frame. ​

Haktan Akdogan : "After doing all the necessary analysis which went on for several weeks, they came to a definite conclusion with no doubts that these are “100% genuine forages. The objects sighted in the aforementioned footage that have a structure that is made of specific material are definitely not made up by any kind of computer animation nor are they any form of special effects used for simulation in a studio or for a video effect therefore in conclusion it was decided that the sightings were neither a mock up or hoax. And it is concluded that these objects in the sightings that have physical and material structures do not belong in any category such as; planes, helicopters, meteors, Venus, Mars, satellites, fire balls, Chinese lantern, fire balls, weather balloons, natural or atmospheric phenomenon etc. and but rather fall into the category of UFOs."

Video Explanation Part 1:​

Video Explanation Part 2:​

Camera Model Details:​

The camera is based on the NTSC System with a diaphragm set at the maximum of 1.8. Canon DM-GRI-A. It's a 3CCD 20x optic 100x with a tele-converter mounted on a 58mm adapter. Tele-objective is a Sony brand vci hgd 1758 model lens, x 1.7​

​

The National Council for the Study of Science and Technology ​

On January 31, 2008, a MiniDV format video cassette holding 35 minutes of footage was brought over to "TUBITAK" The Science and Technology Research Board of Turkey (a Scientific Institution owned by the state that is highly reliable and influential) National Observatory (TUG) by Mr.Tolga Ozdeniz, the Editor of "Reporter" that has been aired on ATV Channel. The footage on the cassette was said to have been recorded by a Canon GL1 MiniDV digital camera on a beach of a holiday village in Kumburgaz/Istanbul by an amateur. The images were examined by TUG- National Observatory Image Processing Unit. Because, it would take quite a long time to analyze all of the images, only randomly selected parts were pre-examined. During this process, emphasis was not placed on images produced by optical clarification effects which a number of point light sources generated. Here is a portion of their report:​

“The objects observed on the images have a structure made of a specific material and definitely its no any kind of CGI animation or in any means a type of special effects used for simulation in a studio or for video effects. "So the conclusion of this report is that the observations are not a model, maquette or a fraud”. At the last part of the report, it’s concluded that the objects observed have a physical structure and are made of materials that don't belong to any category (airplanes, helicopters, meteors, Venus, Mars, Satellites, artificial lights, Chinese lanterns, etc.)" ​

TUBIAK Report by Prof. PHD Zeki Eker ​

Roger Leir On Describes What He Saw​

Mario Valdes Graphic Analysis​

Statement By Mario Valdes: "To be honest, at the beginning my idea was to analyze this videos hopping to find some elements in then that would evidence a possible fraud, taking in count the spectacularity in which the case was labeled (announced that for the very first time a UFO was videotaped with its occupants, precisely inside one of this objects, not a minor issue for those of us who are obsessed with these themes). It was like that, from skepticism, and why not say it ?, with a quote of prejudgment , I decided to take some time and checkout the fragments of the movie. You could say that the expectations were “to find the string of the puppet”. To make the analysis, I used electronic copies of the original videos, given to me by the Turkish investigator Haktan Akdogan, who picked up this case, first handed. I met with Haktan personally to comment this incident and I very grateful of him handing me a copy of the original tape, with which I could accomplish this work." Mario Valdes SANTIAGO – CHILE ​

Mario Valdes Video Analysis
http://www.archivosovni.com/analisis-kumburgaz/kumburgaz-ingles.htm​

Turkey's UFO history started 5000 years ago with Flying Gods when it was called GokTurks which means "the people who come from the sky". There are underground cities all over the country. The most important ones are located in Cappadocia. They reach more than 20 stories underground. In today's Turkey, apparently those responsible for piloting these craft are still around. In 2007 a night guard captured the first in a series of close range videos and included supporting witnesses. During 2008 the metallic ufo seen in the video footage was observed by a crowd of witnesses and captured for several minutes on camera by a night watchman Yalman Yalcin. Sightings continued during 2009 and the best quality footage was filmed that including several minutes of the object during the daytime. In 2009 many people were watching the skies, between May and June. Once again there were many sightings and video taken of these objects. I attempted to find out if any oil rigs or large vessels could possibly have been misidentified and the answer is no. It has been determined that there are no in the Sea of Marmara. A 33 minute segment of the video taken between 4:59 a.m.and at 5:32 a.m., shows the object changing in appearance in a short amount of time after sunrise.​

The case made big news in Turkey and in other countries as well, but western media ignored the case. It also started a great debate between the official members of the Turkish scientific community. So far nobody has been able to demonstrate that the recordings are product of tricks or some type of manipulation. Therefore, the debate has concentrated more over the nature and origin of the objects filmed by Yalcin Yalman.​

Turkey UFO Single Frame Images ​

​

A collection of still frames taken from the original footage. No altering was done to the images available in JPEG format. It is possible to download them and use yourself.
http://s1104.photobucket.com/albums/h326/Turkeycasebook/​

2009 Original Footage​

2008 Original Footage​

http://turkeyufocase.blogspot.com/​

 

[Lia]

Turkey's UFO history started 5000 years ago with Flying Gods when it was called GokTurks which means "the people who come from the sky". There are underground cities all over the country.

Once again we witness similar tales from ages past. I repeat, every civilization since the dawn of time have remarked upon, sketched, carved, written of, and paid homage to 'The Gods (in the plural) who came down from the skies.

There is hardly a one which does not tell of these things, who insist that they are decendants of races not of this earth. Artifacts and paintings abound in ancient history, showing that we are not alone, we have never been alone.

 

[fogtender]

Interesting video and article Foggy and Lia . I have been busy with among other things doing some more research on the video I had posted earlier and I am reposting it again along with a link that has a lot of information, research, vids and other links related to it . Its by far the best group of evidence I have found yet allthough some of it is repeats that have been posted before , well worth the look though as it still to this day appears to be genuine footage .

There have been many skeptics that have tried to debunk it with crap I cant even beleive they throw out there. Ones explanation is it is the top deck of a cruise ship and he has spent many years trying to prove it. Talk about a crazie.

At any rate here it is if anyone is interested , some of the links might be dead but theres still plenty of newer research, several videos at the link at the very bottom of this post. .

UFO Istanbul / Kumburgaz Turkey - YouTube

Saturday, April 16, 2011

​

This case developed in the location of Kumburgaz, Turkey between the years 2007, 2008 and 2009 and is still ongoing. The video was taken by a security guard at the Yeni Kent Compound which is located along the beach. One singularity of this case was that the images were made with a camera that had an adaptor for close ups of 200X optical, achieving a great amount of detail of the objects. During this period several minutes of close range video were taken of metallic ufos floating or changing while in flight over the sea coast of Marmara.

Many special effects and imaging experts have tried to debunk the footage including: Prof. José Atenas, an expert in graphics and video, with more than 30 years of experience on television, Prof. phD. Zeki EKERDirector National Council For The Study Of Science And Technology and National Observatory, and Mario Valdesfrom Santiago Chile. Other analysis were done by video specialists, image edition and special effect companies from Japan, Russia and Turkey, all ending up with the same conclusions. Each expert that studied the raw footage did not detect any evidence pointing in the direction of a balloon, prop, model, or special effects.

Short Video Explanation - 15 Minutes ​

​

​

Sirius UFO Space Science Research Center ​

At first, the videos were analyzed and made public by the, directed by the researcher Haktan Akdogan. Sirius UFO Space Science Research Center firstly, spoke with all the witnesses separately then did the detailed analysis of the videos. With participation of the members of their science board, they enlarged the video images. They did all the detailed analysis, checked their pixels, and went through frame by frame. ​

Haktan Akdogan : "After doing all the necessary analysis which went on for several weeks, they came to a definite conclusion with no doubts that these are “100% genuine forages. The objects sighted in the aforementioned footage that have a structure that is made of specific material are definitely not made up by any kind of computer animation nor are they any form of special effects used for simulation in a studio or for a video effect therefore in conclusion it was decided that the sightings were neither a mock up or hoax. And it is concluded that these objects in the sightings that have physical and material structures do not belong in any category such as; planes, helicopters, meteors, Venus, Mars, satellites, fire balls, Chinese lantern, fire balls, weather balloons, natural or atmospheric phenomenon etc. and but rather fall into the category of UFOs."

Video Explanation Part 1:​

Video Explanation Part 2:​

Camera Model Details:​

The camera is based on the NTSC System with a diaphragm set at the maximum of 1.8. Canon DM-GRI-A. It's a 3CCD 20x optic 100x with a tele-converter mounted on a 58mm adapter. Tele-objective is a Sony brand vci hgd 1758 model lens, x 1.7​

​

The National Council for the Study of Science and Technology ​

On January 31, 2008, a MiniDV format video cassette holding 35 minutes of footage was brought over to "TUBITAK" The Science and Technology Research Board of Turkey (a Scientific Institution owned by the state that is highly reliable and influential) National Observatory (TUG) by Mr.Tolga Ozdeniz, the Editor of "Reporter" that has been aired on ATV Channel. The footage on the cassette was said to have been recorded by a Canon GL1 MiniDV digital camera on a beach of a holiday village in Kumburgaz/Istanbul by an amateur. The images were examined by TUG- National Observatory Image Processing Unit. Because, it would take quite a long time to analyze all of the images, only randomly selected parts were pre-examined. During this process, emphasis was not placed on images produced by optical clarification effects which a number of point light sources generated. Here is a portion of their report:​

“The objects observed on the images have a structure made of a specific material and definitely its no any kind of CGI animation or in any means a type of special effects used for simulation in a studio or for video effects. "So the conclusion of this report is that the observations are not a model, maquette or a fraud”. At the last part of the report, it’s concluded that the objects observed have a physical structure and are made of materials that don't belong to any category (airplanes, helicopters, meteors, Venus, Mars, Satellites, artificial lights, Chinese lanterns, etc.)" ​

TUBIAK Report by Prof. PHD Zeki Eker ​

Roger Leir On Describes What He Saw​

Mario Valdes Graphic Analysis​

Statement By Mario Valdes: "To be honest, at the beginning my idea was to analyze this videos hopping to find some elements in then that would evidence a possible fraud, taking in count the spectacularity in which the case was labeled (announced that for the very first time a UFO was videotaped with its occupants, precisely inside one of this objects, not a minor issue for those of us who are obsessed with these themes). It was like that, from skepticism, and why not say it ?, with a quote of prejudgment , I decided to take some time and checkout the fragments of the movie. You could say that the expectations were “to find the string of the puppet”. To make the analysis, I used electronic copies of the original videos, given to me by the Turkish investigator Haktan Akdogan, who picked up this case, first handed. I met with Haktan personally to comment this incident and I very grateful of him handing me a copy of the original tape, with which I could accomplish this work." Mario Valdes SANTIAGO – CHILE ​

Mario Valdes Video Analysis
http://www.archivosovni.com/analisis-kumburgaz/kumburgaz-ingles.htm​

Turkey's UFO history started 5000 years ago with Flying Gods when it was called GokTurks which means "the people who come from the sky". There are underground cities all over the country. The most important ones are located in Cappadocia. They reach more than 20 stories underground. In today's Turkey, apparently those responsible for piloting these craft are still around. In 2007 a night guard captured the first in a series of close range videos and included supporting witnesses. During 2008 the metallic ufo seen in the video footage was observed by a crowd of witnesses and captured for several minutes on camera by a night watchman Yalman Yalcin. Sightings continued during 2009 and the best quality footage was filmed that including several minutes of the object during the daytime. In 2009 many people were watching the skies, between May and June. Once again there were many sightings and video taken of these objects. I attempted to find out if any oil rigs or large vessels could possibly have been misidentified and the answer is no. It has been determined that there are no in the Sea of Marmara. A 33 minute segment of the video taken between 4:59 a.m.and at 5:32 a.m., shows the object changing in appearance in a short amount of time after sunrise.​

The case made big news in Turkey and in other countries as well, but western media ignored the case. It also started a great debate between the official members of the Turkish scientific community. So far nobody has been able to demonstrate that the recordings are product of tricks or some type of manipulation. Therefore, the debate has concentrated more over the nature and origin of the objects filmed by Yalcin Yalman.​

Turkey UFO Single Frame Images ​

​

A collection of still frames taken from the original footage. No altering was done to the images available in JPEG format. It is possible to download them and use yourself.
http://s1104.photobucket.com/albums/h326/Turkeycasebook/​

2009 Original Footage​

2008 Original Footage​

http://turkeyufocase.blogspot.com/​

Wow, you've been pretty busy!

Neat stuff!

 

[fogtender]

Once again we witness similar tales from ages past. I repeat, every civilization since the dawn of time have remarked upon, sketched, carved, written of, and paid homage to 'The Gods (in the plural) who came down from the skies.

There is hardly a one which does not tell of these things, who insist that they are decendants of races not of this earth. Artifacts and paintings abound in ancient history, showing that we are not alone, we have never been alone.

At times I wonder if Jesus could have been from another world, literally! He turned water into wine, walked on water and a host of other things that man couldn't imagine being able to do. If I went back to those times with a bic lighter and made fire from my hands, shocked people with a tazer and other items that we see in a normal day, I could be easily thought of as a God, or in my case a Demon! (Way too much fun Tazing the non believers) )

But had they come down in various stages of man's evolution, they would have been thought to be of the Gods. When in fact they were just giving a helping hand at the time.

 

[RedRocker]

Once again we witness similar tales from ages past. I repeat, every civilization since the dawn of time have remarked upon, sketched, carved, written of, and paid homage to 'The Gods (in the plural) who came down from the skies.

There is hardly a one which does not tell of these things, who insist that they are descendants of races not of this earth. Artifacts and paintings abound in ancient history, showing that we are not alone, we have never been alone.

At times I wonder if Jesus could have been from another world, literally! He turned water into wine, walked on water and a host of other things that man couldn't imagine being able to do. If I went back to those times with a bic lighter and made fire from my hands, shocked people with a tazer and other items that we see in a normal day, I could be easily thought of as a God, or in my case a Demon! (Way too much fun Tazing the non believers) )

But had they come down in various stages of man's evolution, they would have been thought to be of the Gods. When in fact they were just giving a helping hand at the time.

This line of thinking has always made the most sense to me.

 

[Lia]

"Our sun is one of a 100 billion stars in our galaxy. Our galaxy is one of billions of galaxies populating the universe. It would be the height of presumption to think that we are the only living thing in that enormous immensity"

– Wernher Von Braun​

The above is indisputable. We have to accept it because it is fact, not fiction. 100 billion stars, just in our galaxy alone. Think about that for a second. Now think about the billions of galaxies there are in just our own universe, and remember that scientist now say that there are universes alongside, and beyond ours.

We have to accept also that other civilizations on other planets are not necessarily at the level that we are today. Some will be new, perhaps embryonic even; some will be very old, some close to our own evolution, some just beyond perhaps. It simply cannot be assumed that humans are the only race in the universe (which is immense), to harbor pioneers, explorers . There will be Rces who are so advanced that we could not hope to even begin to understand their technology.

On the other hand there will be races who are so far back down the evolutionary scale that they will be barely out of fur-skins and fashioning tools from flint. Lets face it, those aliens races that have the knowledge and technology, and who are beyond our own level of growth will have looked, just as we are beginning to do, beyond their own worlds. And they will have ventured far further than we have, to date.

Not all of these alien races will be morally sound. Why would we think they would be? After all, we, as a race, are about as corrupt as a society could possibly be. I don’t doubt for one second that there will be races who are far above us in knowledge and dignity; who have reached, perhaps, levels of purity that we can only wonder at. But, you can be equally assured that there are those societies out there who may have reached an advanced state materially, but are as morally bankrupt as we are.

If we are prepared to use nuclear weaponry (and we are, make no mistake about that), why would other alien races not do so? What if they already have?

There is immense evidence from ancient history of such events having taken place.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FayioNH4KoY"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FayioNH4KoY[/ame]

 

[Lia]

This speaks fo itself...


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mHe211mLV0&feature=related"]Ancient Technology (Part 1) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[fogtender]

Lia, That kinda ties things together nicely!

 

[Cowboy]

Here is an article and short related video some of you may find interesting or may not have heard about. Video below the article.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/09/15/idUS166901+15-Sep-2010+PRN20100915


Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:44am EDT


U.S. Nuclear Weapons Have Been Compromised by Unidentified Aerial Objects

PR Newswire
WASHINGTON, Sept. 15

Ex-military men say unknown intruders havemonitored and even tampered with American nuclear missiles
Group to call on U.S. Government to reveal thefacts
WASHINGTON, Sept. 15 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Witness testimony from more than 120 former or retired military personnel points to an ongoing and alarming intervention by unidentified aerial objects at nuclear weapons sites, as recently as 2003. In some cases, several nuclear missiles simultaneously and inexplicably malfunctioned while a disc-shaped object silently hovered nearby. Six former U.S. Air Force officers and one former enlisted man will break their silence about these events at the National Press Club and urge the government to publicly confirm their reality.
One of them, ICBM launch officer Captain Robert Salas, was on duty during one missile disruption incident at Malmstrom Air Force Base and was ordered to never discuss it. Another participant, retired Col. Charles Halt, observed a disc-shaped object directing beams of light down into the RAF Bentwaters airbase in England and heard on the radio that they landed in the nuclear weapons storage area. Both men will provide stunning details about these events, and reveal how the U.S. military responded.
Captain Salas notes, "The U.S. Air Force is lying about the national security implications of unidentified aerial objects at nuclear bases and we can prove it." Col. Halt adds, "I believe that the security services of both the United States and the United Kingdom have attempted—both then and now—to subvert the significance of what occurred at RAF Bentwaters by the use of well-practiced methods of disinformation."
The group of witnesses and a leading researcher, who has brought them together for the first time, will discuss the national security implications of these and other alarmingly similar incidents and will urge the government to reveal all information about them. This is a public-awareness issue.
Declassified U.S. government documents, to be distributed at the event, now substantiate the reality of UFO activity at nuclear weapons sites extending back to 1948. The press conference will also address present-day concerns about the abuse of government secrecy as well as the ongoing threat of nuclear weapons.
WHO: Dwynne Arneson, USAF Lt. Col. Ret., communications center officer-in-charge
Bruce Fenstermacher, former USAF nuclear missile launch officer
Charles Halt, USAF Col. Ret., former deputy base commander
Robert Hastings, researcher and author
Robert Jamison, former USAF nuclear missile targeting officer
Patrick McDonough, former USAF nuclear missile site geodetic surveyor
Jerome Nelson, former USAF nuclear missile launch officer
Robert Salas, former USAF nuclear missile launch officer
WHAT: Noted researcher Robert Hastings, author of UFOs and Nukes: Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons Sites, will moderate a distinguished panel of former U.S. Air Force officers involved in UFO incidents at nuclear missile sites near Malmstrom, F.E. Warren, and Walker AFBs, as well as the nuclear weapons depot at RAF Bentwaters.
WHEN: Monday, September 27, 2010
12:30 p.m.
WHERE: National Press Club
Holeman Lounge
Event open to credentialed media and Congressional staff only
SOURCE Former U.S. Air Force Officer Robert Salas, and Researcher Robert Hastings


ALIEN AGENDA? 50 nuclear missiles disabled
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[Cowboy]

Here is another video that I find fascinating that shows things I have never even heard about before . It is well worth watching if you would like to know more about what could have very well been our ancestors that the history books and archeologists have never made known to the public.

It starts out a bit boring but if you take the time to watch it I think some may be amazed . Once again watch and make your own decision .


Klaus Dona : The Hidden History of the Human Race (March 2010)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmMwo1Xzgus&feature=youtu.be

 

[Lia]

And, if all else doesn't convince you all that there is something definitely strange and other worldly about planet earth, click on the link below. Awesome. yet perplexing.

What the heck are these things? Where did they come from?

http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2011/09/sensational-rock-formations-moeraki.html

 

[Lia]

Perhaps not of Alien origin, yet equally mysterious...

What, or who, could have caused these? We simply don't know, and, like the spherical rock formations above, any explanation is mere speculation and theory. Nothing more...

http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2009/02/majorly-mysterious-mima-mounds.html

 

[tsaw]

Well haven't said anything in this thread for a while, but i have been enjoying it. This is where I'm at at this point: Until you can show me (and the scientific community) one concrete piece of evidence : something that can be studied, looked at and held from an alien planet... then it's all just: Maybe... might be... could have happened.. wish full thinking.
With that said, I'm a believer in life in the universe other than earth. But there is nothing to convince me yet.

 

[Lia]

Well haven't said anything in this thread for a while, but i have been enjoying it. This is where I'm at at this point: Until you can show me (and the scientific community) one concrete piece of evidence : something that can be studied, looked at and held from an alien planet... then it's all just: Maybe... might be... could have happened.. wish full thinking.
With that said, I'm a believer in life in the universe other than earth. But there is nothing to convince me yet.

That's cool; at least we have got you thinking outside the box. Oh, and tsaw, the scientific community, at least many of them, are already on board. Many of the 'quotes' posted here have come from scientists, geologists, archaeologists, historians, etc...

That you are enjoying the thread is enuff for me, as I'm sure it is for those others who have dedicated their time and belief in the thread.

 

[Lia]

Here is an article and short related video some of you may find interesting or may not have heard about. Video below the article.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/09/15/idUS166901+15-Sep-2010+PRN20100915

Bob, I've only just been able to view the video now... great post. I remember that this was discussed, in depth, in another forum I use to frequent. This is not an isolated case either, it has been happening over a long period of time, and military whistle blowers have ranger from regular squaddies right up to generals.

Its interesting (and I'm not saying that I believe in these reported abduction stories), but abductees often mention that 'the greys' have told them that we shall' not be allowed' (???) to destroy our planet again, since, apparently we have done so 5 or 6 times previously. Witness the planets area's of high radiation levels, dotted here and there; and our deserts. I don't know where I read it, but there was a case that was put forward that some of our deserts consist of 'vitrified glass.' Whivh, I believe cvan only vome about by intense heat, such as nuclear heat.

I'll try to research this; I may have gotten it wrong, since I believe that I read this some years ago, and I could be in the wrong area of the solar system with that claim. I'll get back to y'all on that...

 

[Lia]

Klaus Dona : The Hidden History of the Human Race (March 2010)

In the second half of that link, the tools, instruments and other artifacts, none of which can, apparently, be duplicated today, are incredibly thought provoking. the video is, as you say, hard going. I would say that the first half is rather monotonous, but its well worth persevering with it, because the second half, as I said, is astounding.

 

[Cowboy]

Well haven't said anything in this thread for a while, but i have been enjoying it. This is where I'm at at this point: Until you can show me (and the scientific community) one concrete piece of evidence : something that can be studied, looked at and held from an alien planet... then it's all just: Maybe... might be... could have happened.. wish full thinking.
With that said, I'm a believer in life in the universe other than earth. But there is nothing to convince me yet.

I am glad you are finding this interesting Tom and no offence but I dont think you sre finding interesting enough to do much more the skim through it . Theres plenty of evidence posted here that should at least make it clear this aint about a bunch of fruitcakes claiming they have been abducted or folks saying crap that they can profit from books , articles, or movies .

These are real people of authority that are tired of crap being kept from the public because all of the governments are afraid if the truth got out they would be looked at as an inferior power and not able to protect their own . All of the worlds religions plays a huge part as well because they are afraid their beleifs may be BS which very well not be the case IMO . Just misinterpeted in some cases .

Bottom line no one including myself is trying to convince anyone of anything , just trying to share what is available from the resources since the internet is available .

Thats what gets me about skeptics no matter the subject , they have no proof something doesn't exsist, but wont take the time to look at whats under their own nose with an open mind. Next best thing is look up , you may very well be surprised at what you see .

 

[fogtender]

Well haven't said anything in this thread for a while, but i have been enjoying it. This is where I'm at at this point: Until you can show me (and the scientific community) one concrete piece of evidence : something that can be studied, looked at and held from an alien planet... then it's all just: Maybe... might be... could have happened.. wish full thinking.
With that said, I'm a believer in life in the universe other than earth. But there is nothing to convince me yet.

There are thousands of examples of just the carvings alone that show that they had some kind of assistance thousands of years ago. Look at these carvings, the repeated symbols can't be re-carved by hand like this until the last century when with the aid of machine tools and computers. They simply didn't have the tools to be able to carve stone with this skill level back then, but yet they did. "Somebody" had to supply some kind of equipment that we have yet to find to be able to carve in such detail and repetitively with such accuracy!

 

[Cowboy]

Two clear and well-c0nstructed compilations of NASA’s close encounters with UFOs during many shuttle and moon missions: At the link.

http://stevebeckow.com/2010/06/two-nasa-compilations-of-ufo-encounters/