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I Challenge All The Aviators, Builders and Engineers Here At FF…

Here an interesting report from Fox news that has video footage from the Mexican military planes from a few years ago. There are many governments that want to disclose this to the public but it seems the USA is the one keeping it a secret. Go figure.

The proof is there you just have to open your eyes to see it. :smile:


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Heres another very good video of several different UFO's being filmed . The most impresive to me is where one has been filmed crashing. Starts at the 2:08 mark . But there are several more in the vid. :wink:

I got half way thro the video Bob; it’s riveting. I had to break off there, work commitments, but I will look at the other half tomorrow. That which I did see was absolutely exciting viewing, but in particular the sighting that starts at 03:46/14:48 on the video. The way that seemed to ‘generate’ myriad smaller spheres was stunning. I say ‘generate’ because I can’t see how the sphere could contain so many smaller craft, because the ‘mothership’ (for want of something to call the main craft), was not, or did not seem big enuff to have contained them all.

The speed from which they, and it flew across the sky, and the way and speed in which the main craft ‘spawned’ the smaller craft leaves one wondering just how much more advanced, technologically these visitors are, to us. Frightening really…

Just recently I had a new PC; and not being computer savvy myself, my Uncle saved all of my files; documents, pictures, music, ‘my favorites’ section, etc, onto a memory stick and transferred them onto the new comp. In ‘my favorites,’ from my Vista, I had a vast amount of folders of various phenomenon, and documents, video’s, articles, and more, on UFO’s and Alien lifeforms, alone.

I had some in ‘my documents, but much more in my favorites; and not to mention a vast collection and archives of other interest and even some from my work files. To my horror, somehow, and quite by accident, after he had thought that he’d copied my favorites, but had copied my documents twice instead, I have lost the lot. Lock stock and barrel.

I’d taken a sledgehammer to the hard-drive of the Vista, and since I’ve been having some work done around the house and grounds, I’d filled up the car with a great many things that were surplus to requirements, including the Vista comp, to be taken to the local tip; so there is no way that these archives can ever be recovered. I don’t need to tell you that I could spit feathers right at this moment.

Of course, there was no way that it was anything other than an accident on his part, and there can be no thought of acrimony between us, over it.
So, much of what I may contribute in future, to the thread, will have to be researched all over again. 5 or 6 years work down the drain. Grrr!!!!


:sad:
 


I got half way thro the video Bob; it’s riveting. I had to break off there, work commitments, but I will look at the other half tomorrow. That which I did see was absolutely exciting viewing, but in particular the sighting that starts at 03:46/14:48 on the video. The way that seemed to ‘generate’ myriad smaller spheres was stunning. I say ‘generate’ because I can’t see how the sphere could contain so many smaller craft, because the ‘mothership’ (for want of something to call the main craft), was not, or did not seem big enuff to have contained them all.

The speed from which they, and it flew across the sky, and the way and speed in which the main craft ‘spawned’ the smaller craft leaves one wondering just how much more advanced, technologically these visitors are, to us. Frightening really…

Just recently I had a new PC; and not being computer savvy myself, my Uncle saved all of my files; documents, pictures, music, ‘my favorites’ section, etc, onto a memory stick and transferred them onto the new comp. In ‘my favorites,’ from my Vista, I had a vast amount of folders of various phenomenon, and documents, video’s, articles, and more, on UFO’s and Alien lifeforms, alone.

I had some in ‘my documents, but much more in my favorites; and not to mention a vast collection and archives of other interest and even some from my work files. To my horror, somehow, and quite by accident, after he had thought that he’d copied my favorites, but had copied my documents twice instead, I have lost the lot. Lock stock and barrel.

I’d taken a sledgehammer to the hard-drive of the Vista, and since I’ve been having some work done around the house and grounds, I’d filled up the car with a great many things that were surplus to requirements, including the Vista comp, to be taken to the local tip; so there is no way that these archives can ever be recovered. I don’t need to tell you that I could spit feathers right at this moment.

Of course, there was no way that it was anything other than an accident on his part, and there can be no thought of acrimony between us, over it.
So, much of what I may contribute in future, to the thread, will have to be researched all over again. 5 or 6 years work down the drain. Grrr!!!!


:sad:

Sorry to hear about the computer files, hope you can replace most of it!!
 
Well Bob, I managed to find the time to watch the second half of the video early this morning... It's got to be one of the most comprehensive compilations that I've seen to date. Some of them I'd seen before, many I hadn't.

I don't think that folk realize the full volume of unidentified traffic in our atmosphere and air space, in any one month, never mind annually. I do have, or had information on the statistics of it and will try to find it and post it here. :smile:
 
I’m not sure if I’ve posted this article before, here, or in another thread. But if folk are anything like me, sometimes I’m glad to be reminded of something if it is salient to the topic in question.

I’m not sure that I would agree with many of the theories here; for starters, the concept that all alien races should necessarily look like us. The ‘Greys’ for example, don’t look anything like us (the Greys, especially have been recorded in paintings, engravings and in texts since ancient times). Apparently, the Nordics do, and we are supposed, I believe, to have been descended from their DNA manipulation and mutational experiments. I’ll get to that in another post…


Earth must prepare for close encounter with aliens, say scientists. UN should co-ordinate plans for dealing with extraterrestrials – and we can't guarantee that aliens will be friendly


Alok Jha, science correspondent guardian.co.uk, Monday 10 January 2011 07.00 GMT Article history

Evolution on alien worlds is likely to be Darwinian, which may mean extraterrestrials share our tendencies for violence and exploitation.

World governments should prepare a co-ordinated action plan in case Earth is contacted by aliens, according to scientists.

They argue that a branch of the UN must be given responsibility for "supra-Earth affairs" and formulate a plan for how to deal with extraterrestrials, should they appear.

The comments are part of an extraterrestrial-themed edition of the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society A published today. In it, scientists examine all aspects of the search for extraterrestrial life, from astronomy and biology to the political and religious fallout that would result from alien contact.

"Will a suitable process based on expert advice from proper and responsible scientists arise at all, or will interests of power and opportunism more probably set the scene?" asked Professor John Zarnecki of the Open University and Dr Martin Dominik of the University of St Andrews in the introductory paper. "A lack of co-ordination can be avoided by creating an overarching framework in a truly global effort governed by an international politically legitimated body." The pair argue that the UN has a ready-made mechanism for such a forum in its Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space (Copuos).

Member states of Copuos should put "supra-Earth affairs" on their agenda, say the scientists, and establish structures similar to those proposed for dealing with threats from near-Earth objects, such as asteroids, that might be on a collision course with our planet.

According to Simon Conway Morris, a professor of evolutionary palaeobiology at Cambridge University, anyone planning for alien contact should prepare for the worst.

Evolution on alien worlds, he said, is likely to be Darwinian in nature. Morris argues that life anywhere else in the universe will therefore probably have important similarities with life on Earth – especially if it comes from Earth-like worlds that have similar biological molecules to ours. That means ET might resemble us, warts and all, with our tendencies towards violence and exploitation.

"Why should we 'prepare for the worst'? First, if intelligent aliens exist, they will look just like us, and given our far from glorious history, this should give us pause for thought," wrote Morris in the journal's special issue.

Ted Peters, a professor of systematic theology at the Pacific Lutheran Theological Seminary in California, considered what might happen to the world's religions in the event of ET making contact. Conventional wisdom suggests that terrestrial religion would collapse if the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence (ETI) were confirmed, he wrote.

"Because our religious traditions formulated their key beliefs within an ancient world view now out of date, would shocking new knowledge dislodge our pre-modern dogmas? Are religious believers Earth-centric, so that contact with ET would de-centre and marginalise our sense of self-importance? Do our traditional religions rank us human beings on top of life's hierarchy, so if we meet ETI who are smarter than us will we lose our superior rank? If we are created in God's image, as the biblical traditions teach, will we have to share that divine image with our new neighbours?"

His conclusion, however, is that faith in Earth's major religions would survive intact. "Theologians will not find themselves out of a job. In fact, theologians might relish the new challenges to reformulate classical religious commitments in light of the new and wider vision of God's creation."

"Traditional theologians must then become astrotheologians ... What I forecast is this: contact with extraterrestrial intelligence will expand the existing religious vision that all of creation – including the 13.7bn-year history of the universe replete with all of God's creatures – is the gift of a loving and gracious God," he speculated.
 
FYI for anyone that has been following the Ancient Aliens series, Season 3 - episodes 7,8 & 9 have been added to the main menu link and can be found in the right menu in this link.

I found them all very interesting and these are in 3 15 minute segments per episode so a little easier to watch if you dont have time for the full program. :smile:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Time4TruthDOTorg#p/u
 
FYI for anyone that has been following the Ancient Aliens series, Season 3 - episodes 7,8 & 9 have been added to the main menu link and can be found in the right menu in this link.

I found them all very interesting and these are in 3 15 minute segments per episode so a little easier to watch if you dont have time for the full program. :smile:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Time4TruthDOTorg#p/u

Thanks so much Bob. I'll take a look at that shortly. :flowers:
 
I make no claims as to the authenticity of this alleged event. Just that it is interesting, and that there is a wealth of research data here for the claims made.

I believe I have posted this info and articles before here, in a thread of Cowboys, but I could be wrong about that; my memory is lamentably and shockingly lax at times... In any event, I hope that it will be of interest to y'all. :smile:


Eisenhower’s 1954 Meeting With Extraterrestrials: The Fiftieth Anniversary of First Contact?




Introduction [1]
On the night and early hours of February 20-21, 1954, while on a ‘vacation’ to Palm Springs, California, President Dwight Eisenhower went missing and allegedly was taken to Edwards Air force base for a secret meeting. When he showed up the next morning at a church service in Los Angeles, reporters were told that he had to have emergency dental treatment the previous evening and had visited a local dentist. The dentist later appeared at a function that evening and presented as the ‘dentist’ who had treated Eisenhower. The missing night and morning has subsequently fueled rumors that Eisenhower was using the alleged dentist visit as a cover story for an extraordinary event. The event is possibly the most significant that any American President could have conducted: an alleged ‘First Contact’ meeting with extraterrestrials at Edwards Air Force base (previously Muroc Airfield), and the beginning of a series of meetings with different extraterrestrial races that led to a ‘treaty’ that was eventually signed. This astonishing First Contact event, if it occurred, will experience its 50th anniversary on February 20-21, 2004.


This paper explores the evidence that the First Contact meeting had occurred with extraterrestrials with a distinctive ‘Nordic’ appearance, the likelihood of an agreement having been spurned with this ‘Nordic race’, the start of a series of meetings that led to a treaty eventually being signed with a different extraterrestrial race dubbed the ‘Greys’, and the motivations of the different extraterrestrial races involved in these treaty discussions. The paper will further examine why these events were kept secret for so long, the significance of the 50th anniversary of Eisenhower’s meeting with extraterrestrials, and whether an official disclosure announcement is likely in the near future.

Circumstantial Evidence Supporting Eisenhower’s ‘First Contact’ Meeting with Extraterrestrials
There is circumstantial and testimonial evidence supporting Eisenhower’s meeting with extraterrestrials and the start of a series of meetings that culminated in the signing of a treaty with a different group of extraterrestrials. The most intriguing are circumstances surrounding Eisenhower’s alleged winter vacation to Palm Springs, California from February 17-24, 1954. Firstly, the ”vacation for the President” which was announced rather suddenly and came less than a week after Eisenhower’s ‘quail shooting’ vacation in Georgia. According to UFO researcher, William Moore, all this was quite unusual and suggested that there was more to the one week visit to Palm Springs than a simple holiday. [2]

Second, on the Saturday night of February 20, President Eisenhower did go missing fueling press speculation that he had taken ill or even died. In a hastily convened press conference, Eisenhower’s Press Secretary announced that Eisenhower had lost a tooth cap while eating fried chicken and had to be rushed to a local dentist. The local dentist was introduced at an official function on Sunday February 21, as "the dentist who had treated the president". [3] Moore’s investigation of the incident concluded that the dentist’s visit was being used as a cover story for Eisenhower’s true whereabouts.


Consequently, Eisenhower was missing for an entire evening and could easily have been taken from Palm Springs to the nearby Muroc Airfield, later renamed Edwards Air Force base. The unscheduled nature of the President’s vacation, the missing President and the dentist cover story provide circumstantial evidence that the true purpose of his Palm Springs vacation was for him to attend an event whose importance was such that it could not be disclosed to the general public. A meeting with extraterrestrials may well have been the true purpose of his visit.

Gerald Light’s Letter That Eisenhower Met With Extraterrestrials
The first public source alleging a meeting with extraterrestrials was Gerald Light who in a letter dated April 16, 1954 to Meade Layne, the then director of Borderland Sciences Research Associates (now Foundation), claimed he was part of a delegation of community leaders to an alleged meeting with extraterrestrials at Edwards Air Force Base. In a subsequent article, Meade Layne described Light as a “gifted and highly educated writer and lecturer”, who was skilled both in clairvoyance and the occult. [4] Light was a well-known metaphysical community leader in the Southern California area. The alleged purpose of him and others on the delegation was to test public reaction to the presence of extraterrestrials. Light described the circumstances of the meeting as follows:

'My dear friends: I have just returned from Muroc [Edwards Air Force Base]. The report is true -- devastatingly true! I made the journey in company with Franklin Allen of the Hearst papers and Edwin Nourse of Brookings Institute (Truman's erstwhile financial advisor) and Bishop MacIntyre of L.A. (confidential names for the present, please). When we were allowed to enter the restricted section (after about six hours in which we were checked on every possible item, event, incident and aspect of our personal and public lives), I had the distinct feeling that the world had come to an end with fantastic realism. For I have never seen so many human beings in a state of complete collapse and confusion, as they realized that their own world had indeed ended with such finality as to beggar description. The reality of the ‘other plane’ aeroforms is now and forever removed from the realms of speculation and made a rather painful part of the consciousness of every responsible scientific and political group. During my two days' visit I saw five separate and distinct types of aircraft being studied and handled by our Air Force officials -- with the assistance and permission of the Etherians! I have no words to express my reactions. It has finally happened. It is now a matter of history. President Eisenhower, as you may already know, was spirited over to Muroc one night during his visit to Palm Springs recently. And it is my conviction that he will ignore the terrific conflict between the various 'authorities' and go directly to the people via radio and television -- if the impasse continues much longer. From what I could gather, an official statement to the country is being prepared for delivery about the middle of May. [5]

Of course no such formal announcement was made, and Light’s supposed meeting has either been the best-kept secret of the twentieth century or the fabrication of an elderly mystic known for out of body experiences. The events Light describes in his meeting in terms of the panic and confusion of many of those present, the emotional impact of the alleged landing, and the tremendous difference of opinion on what to do in terms of telling the public and responding to the extraterrestrial visitors, are plausible descriptions of what may have occurred. Indeed, the psychological and emotional impact Light describes for senior national security leaders at the meeting is consistent with what could be expected for such a ‘life changing event’. A further way of determining Light’s claim is to investigate the figures he named along with himself as part of the community delegation, and whether they could have been plausible candidates for such a meeting.


Dr Edwin Nourse (1883-1974) was the first chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors to the President (1944-1953) and was President Truman’s chief economic advisor. [6] Nourse officially retired to private life in 1953 and would certainly have been a good choice of someone who could give confidential economic advise to the Eisenhower administration. If Dr Nourse was present at such a meeting, he did so in order to provide his expertise on the possible economic impact of First Contact with extraterrestrials. Another of the individuals mentioned by Light was Bishop MacIntyre.

Cardinal James Francis MacIntyre was the bishop and head of the Catholic Church in Los Angeles (1948-1970) and would have been an important gauge for the possible reaction from religious leaders generally, and in particular from the most influential and powerful religious institution on the planet – the Roman Catholic Church. In particular, Cardinal MacIntyre would have been a good choice as a representative for the Vatican since he was appointed the first Cardinal of the Western United States by Pope Pius XII in 1952. All Cardinal MacIntyre’s correspondence is closed to researchers thus making it impossible to confirm what impact the visit to Muroc had on him and what he communicated to other church leaders and the Vatican. [7] Cardinal MacIntyre had sufficient rank and authority to represent the Catholic Church and the religious community in a delegation of community leaders.


The fourth member of the delegation of community leaders was Franklin Winthrop Allen, a former reporter with the Hearst Newspapers Group. [8] Allen was 80 years old at the time, author of a book instructing reporters on how to deal with Congressional Committee Hearings, and would have been a good choice for a member of the press who could maintain confidentiality.

The four represented senior leaders of the religious, spiritual, economic and newspaper communities and were well advanced in age and status. They would certainly have been plausible choices for a community delegation that could provide confidential advise on a possible public response to a First Contact event involving extraterrestrial races. Such a selection would have constituted a ‘wise men’ group that would have been entirely in character for the conservative nature of American society in 1954. While Light may well contrived such a list in a fabricated account or ‘out of body’ experience as Moore implies in his analysis, there is nothing in Light’s selection that eliminates the possibility that they were plausible members of such a delegation. [9] At face value then, the selection of such a ‘wise men’ group gives some credence to Light’s claim.

Testimonies Supporting Eisenhower’s Meeting With Extraterrestrials
There are a number of other sources alleging an extraterrestrial meeting at Edwards Air force base that corresponded to a formal First Contact event. These sources are based on testimonies of ‘whistleblowers’ that witnessed documents or learned from their ‘insider contacts’ of such a meeting. These testimonies describe what appears to be two separate sets of meetings involving different extraterrestrial groups who met either with President Eisenhower and/or with Eisenhower administration officials over a short period of time. The first of these meetings, the actual ‘First Contact’ event, did not lead to an agreement and the extraterrestrials were effectively spurned. The second of these meetings did lead to an agreement, and this has been apparently become the basis of subsequent secret interactions with extraterrestrial races involved in the ‘treaty’ that was signed. There is some discrepancy in the sequence of meetings and where they were held, but all agree that a ‘First Contact’ meeting involving President Eisenhower did occur, and that one of these meetings occurred with his February 1954 visit to Edwards Air force base.

Read on: http://exopolitics.org/study-paper-8.htm
 
Of course, most of you will realize that this material is now rather 'dated' and that things have 'moved on' from that stage. Hoever, I am thinking of those who are not familiar with the claims...

Maintaining Secrecy and Witness Credibility


The uncertainty over the motivations and behavior of the Grey extraterrestrials appears to have played a large role in the government decision not to disclose the extraterrestrial presence and the treaty Eisenhower signed with them.


The following passage from an ‘alleged official document’ leaked to UFO researchers describes the official secrecy policy adopted in April 1954, two months after Eisenhower had ‘First Contact’ with extraterrestrials who were spurned by the Eisenhower administration:


Any encounter with entities known to be of extraterrestrial origin is to be considered to be a matter of national security and therefore classified TOP SECRET (see below images).

Under no circumstances is the general public or the public press to learn of the existence of these entities. The official government policy is that such creatures do not exist, and that no agency of the federal government is now engaged in any study of extraterrestrials or their artifacts. Any deviation from this stated policy is absolutely forbidden. [33]

Penalties for disclosing classified information concerning extraterrestrials are quite severe. In December 1953, the Joint Chiefs of Staff issued Army-Navy-Air Force publication 146 that made the unauthorized release of information concerning UFOs a crime under the Espionage Act, punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. [34]


According to Robert Dean, this draconian penalty is what prevents most former military servicemen from coming forward to disclose information. [35]

Read on:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_Q_1.htm


 
I can't confirm the validity of the following claim; I'm just reporting the news as it comes to me. However, it would seem that Kay Ferrari, JPL Director of the SSA program at NASA does concur with the claim that Johnston was terminated for speaking out.


NASA Whistleblower: Alien Moon Cities Exist

Former National Aeronautics and Space Administration Data and Photo Control Department manager, Ken Johnston, who worked for the space agency's Lunar Receiving Laboratory during the Apollo mission’s has been fired for telling the truth.

Johnston asserts NASA knows astronauts discovered ancient alien cities and the remains of amazingly advanced machinery on the Moon. Some of the technology can manipulate gravity.

He says the agency ordered a cover-up and forced him to participate in it.

Over the past 40 years other scientists, engineers and technicians have accused NASA of cover-ups and obscuring data.

The growing number of accusers' allegations range from hiding information about anomalous space objects and lying about the discovery of artifacts on the surface of the Moon and Mars, to denying the evidence of life reported back by the Viking lander during the mid-1970s.

According to Johnston, Apollo astronauts brought back photographic evidence of the artifacts they found during their lunar extravehicular activities (EVAs). Johnston claims NASA ordered him to destroy the EVA images while he was at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), but he refused.

When he went public, the space agency terminated him.

Read on: http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1091/566/NASA_Whistleblower:_Alien_Moon_Cities_Exist.html

 
Interesting subject, I've heard a lot of things as a lifelong fan of Fortean phenomena and anything strange and unusual. I've interviewed a lot of people, professional sceptics and the opposite, about some pretty strange stuff. But I try to be open minded but caustiously skeptical at the same time. and the burden of proof always lies with the people making the claim. Nothing would surprise me anymore. Here's a link with some pics that are pretty cool, but they don't really prove anything:

http://mountzion144.ning.com/profil...e-ken-johnston-is-fired-for-telling-the-truth

Bob
 
Interesting subject, I've heard a lot of things as a lifelong fan of Fortean phenomena and anything strange and unusual. I've interviewed a lot of people, professional sceptics and the opposite, about some pretty strange stuff. But I try to be open minded but caustiously skeptical at the same time. and the burden of proof always lies with the people making the claim. Nothing would surprise me anymore. Here's a link with some pics that are pretty cool, but they don't really prove anything:

http://mountzion144.ning.com/profil...e-ken-johnston-is-fired-for-telling-the-truth

Bob

lol. Sorry hon, but thats the same story as the one I posted above.

Not to worry, yours was more colorful. *grins*

But seriously, one has to be cautiously sceptical, as you and others here have said, whilst at the same time, opening our eyes to 'the real world and universe' around us. Good to have you aboard. :smile:
 
Woops, didn't see that. You gotta wonder why they wouldn't want to publicize it though. It would be a big boost for NASA.

Bob
 
Woops, didn't see that. You gotta wonder why they wouldn't want to publicize it though. It would be a big boost for NASA.

Bob

Yes; I do think that there are several good reasons for NASA's reticence in opening up on the subject tho; but at the moment I'm working on a project and I don't have the time to compose a lengthy post on the topic. I'll get back with my thoughts on that later in the day. :smile:
 
lol. Sorry hon, but thats the same story as the one I posted above.

Not to worry, yours was more colorful. *grins*

But seriously, one has to be cautiously sceptical, as you and others here have said, whilst at the same time, opening our eyes to 'the real world and universe' around us. Good to have you aboard. :smile:
Yes it is the same article Lia but the link has some additional interesting follow up links I haven't ran across before. :wink:
Woops, didn't see that. You gotta wonder why they wouldn't want to publicize it though. It would be a big boost for NASA.

Bob
No worrys Bob , thanks for the link as I said above, it has some other interesting info on that site as well . We can never have to much information to follow when theres been so much covered up. :wink:

Its still up to each and everyone of us to come to our own conlusion to what might be BS or not. :smile: I hope you take the time to view this entire thread as there is a lot of very interesting articles and video's posted within . :wink:
 
I posted this story elsewhere in the forum the other day but going to post this one here that includes pics and a few possible reasons why NASA wants to create a "no fly zone" on the moon . :wink:


NASA Announces 'Forbidden Zones'...On Moon!


http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1116/992/NASA_announces_forbidden_zones...on_Moon.html

[Note from author: This story originally broke in India. The American media is ignoring it. Why? Moon to have no-fly zones by month end. - The Hindu ... For those that may question The Hindu as a credible source, the NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts believes The Hindu is a credible news source. They link to it themselves on this page (scroll on NIAC page to see link to The Hindu article about NASA's future). This story is real.
Feeling the pressure of mounting investigations launched by citizen activists concerning alien structures and artifacts on the Moon and Mars, the US National Aeronautics and Space Administration has made a bold and incredible move: NASA has announced No-Fly Zones on the Moon.

Although the space agency claims the purpose of the No-Fly Zones are to preserve and protect the historic landing sites of the Apollo astronauts, some question why the zones happen to include regions where heavy attention has been focused—areas where purported alien technology is lying scattered across the lunar soil.

An alleged alien artifact photographed near an Apollo landing site. [From website Over the Moon]

According to official archives more than three dozen Lunar historical sites exist. It may be more than coincidence that many of the strange anomalies and structures are near, or in the same region as, all the Apollo landing and early Lunar space probe sites like Surveyor.

Photo taken by LRO of a large artificial structure at Rima Hadley not far from where Apollo 15 landed.

A portion of the NASA statement declares: Apollo 11 and 17 sites [shall] remain off-limits, with ground-travel buffers of 75 metres and 225 meters from each respective lunar lander. [Science journal reported the full guidelines.]

Aerial view of alleged complex at Gassendi Crater.

Despite the pronouncement, international attorneys do not believe the space agency has the authority to enforce such a proclamation, nor claim any regions offbounds by nature of “U.S. government property on the moon.” They argue that the United Nations 1967 Outer Space Treaty takes precedence and that no nation can lay claim to any portion of the Moon.

Apollo 12: Photo taken by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera (LROC).

Despite that, NASA is desperate other countries will abide by its announcement—after all, more than 40 years of cover-up is at stake as well as the reputation and future funding of the currently beleagured agency.

One of the many structures that just 'happens' to be in the No-Fly Zone.

While NASA takes pains that it's only doing this to protect astronauts' discarded food and feces, the argument itself is specious. The real purpose of the No-Fly Zones—alleged by some researchers—is to dissuade upcoming lunar missions by other countries including Japan, India and China from "spilling the beans" on what's really up there.

Space probes from the European Space Agency have already uncovered the fraud NASA perpetrated for decades about the real color of the Martian sky. [See: "The color of Mars"]

A Japanese lunar space probe uncovered astounding evidence of the alleged base that exists on the far side of the Moon. Some insiders swear that America has a secret military base on the Moon and present evidence to support their charge. [See: Before It's News Claim: America has secret base on Moon.]

Meanwhile, some NASA insiders have blown the whistle on the space agency and claim they have personally seen photographs and other evidence of artifacts, machinery—even cities—documented by robot and manned space mission from both the U.S. and former Soviet Union. [See: Before It's News NASA whistleblower: Alien cities exist on Moon.]

Photo of alleged American Moonbase. Notice the structures in the square-walled 'crater.'

Publicly, NASA says they were moved to act because of the announcement by Google's Lunar-X Prize. The Internet giant has created a contest awarding a monetary prize to the first private company that can land a robotic craft on the Moon, travel across the surface and transmit clear images. Google has sweetened the pot with the offer to add bonus money for a landing close to any of the Apollo sites.

Whether any of the up-and-coming spacefaring nations will abide by NASA's No-Fly Zones—especially if they discover hard evidence of ancient alien artifacts—is unknown. They probably won't abide by the NASA restrictions.

But unquestionably, the worried space agency desperately hopes they do.
 
*NASA Announces 'Forbidden Zones'...On Moon!*

Although the space agency claims the purpose of the No-Fly Zones are to preserve and protect the historic landing sites of the Apollo astronauts, some question why the zones happen to include regions where heavy attention has been focused—areas where purported alien technology is lying scattered across the lunar soil.


Preserve and protect the landing sites of Apollo? lol. There’s only one reply that one could possibly use in response to this nonsense. It’s slang for testicles, and begins with B.

Do they really believe that we are all that dumb, that we would swallow such garbage?

Call me naïve, but, we haven’t been back to the moon since the 60’s (if we ever went then, and I’m more inclined to believe we did now). So, call it curiosity, but who would just happen to be passing by up there, from here (‘cos let’s face it, they can’t possibly think that they can dictate to er… ET), so who do they think are gonna be skulling around up there, staking claim to areas of the Moon? Moreover, who would be policing this no fly zone policy?

Who do they believe has the wherewithal, and the technology to get up there, zip around the Moon a few times, scouting for des res plots? China? Russia? Who? Why do I get the feeling that NASA know summat we don’t; Something so earth shattering that they want to quarantine the Moon; and from whom?

If its true, as Armstrong says, that they were ‘warned off the moon’ by ET; what’s changed now, that NASA feel they have ‘turf rights’ to claim a no fly zone up there? Are the stories of us having been at war with them for decades true? Did Eisenhower make a treaty with some, any of them, then? Have we, all this time, been misinformed as to the true state of affairs with the UFO/Alien issue?

And, another thing! If NASA are set on calling a no fly zone around the Moon, what happens if they’re called out on this stupidity? Will we go to war up there with intruder’s (ET), other nations? Who will pay for this? Who will be in the front line fighting this claim?
 
I posted this story elsewhere in the forum the other day but going to post this one here that includes pics and a few possible reasons why NASA wants to create a "no fly zone" on the moon . :wink:


NASA Announces 'Forbidden Zones'...On Moon!


http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1116/992/NASA_announces_forbidden_zones...on_Moon.html

[Note from author: This story originally broke in India. The American media is ignoring it. Why? Moon to have no-fly zones by month end. - The Hindu ... For those that may question The Hindu as a credible source, the NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts believes The Hindu is a credible news source. They link to it themselves on this page (scroll on NIAC page to see link to The Hindu article about NASA's future). This story is real.
Feeling the pressure of mounting investigations launched by citizen activists concerning alien structures and artifacts on the Moon and Mars, the US National Aeronautics and Space Administration has made a bold and incredible move: NASA has announced No-Fly Zones on the Moon.

Although the space agency claims the purpose of the No-Fly Zones are to preserve and protect the historic landing sites of the Apollo astronauts, some question why the zones happen to include regions where heavy attention has been focused—areas where purported alien technology is lying scattered across the lunar soil.

An alleged alien artifact photographed near an Apollo landing site. [From website Over the Moon]

According to official archives more than three dozen Lunar historical sites exist. It may be more than coincidence that many of the strange anomalies and structures are near, or in the same region as, all the Apollo landing and early Lunar space probe sites like Surveyor.

Photo taken by LRO of a large artificial structure at Rima Hadley not far from where Apollo 15 landed.

A portion of the NASA statement declares: Apollo 11 and 17 sites [shall] remain off-limits, with ground-travel buffers of 75 metres and 225 meters from each respective lunar lander. [Science journal reported the full guidelines.]

Aerial view of alleged complex at Gassendi Crater.

Despite the pronouncement, international attorneys do not believe the space agency has the authority to enforce such a proclamation, nor claim any regions offbounds by nature of “U.S. government property on the moon.” They argue that the United Nations 1967 Outer Space Treaty takes precedence and that no nation can lay claim to any portion of the Moon.

Apollo 12: Photo taken by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera (LROC).

Despite that, NASA is desperate other countries will abide by its announcement—after all, more than 40 years of cover-up is at stake as well as the reputation and future funding of the currently beleagured agency.

One of the many structures that just 'happens' to be in the No-Fly Zone.

While NASA takes pains that it's only doing this to protect astronauts' discarded food and feces, the argument itself is specious. The real purpose of the No-Fly Zones—alleged by some researchers—is to dissuade upcoming lunar missions by other countries including Japan, India and China from "spilling the beans" on what's really up there.

Space probes from the European Space Agency have already uncovered the fraud NASA perpetrated for decades about the real color of the Martian sky. [See: "The color of Mars"]

A Japanese lunar space probe uncovered astounding evidence of the alleged base that exists on the far side of the Moon. Some insiders swear that America has a secret military base on the Moon and present evidence to support their charge. [See: Before It's News Claim: America has secret base on Moon.]

Meanwhile, some NASA insiders have blown the whistle on the space agency and claim they have personally seen photographs and other evidence of artifacts, machinery—even cities—documented by robot and manned space mission from both the U.S. and former Soviet Union. [See: Before It's News NASA whistleblower: Alien cities exist on Moon.]

Photo of alleged American Moonbase. Notice the structures in the square-walled 'crater.'

Publicly, NASA says they were moved to act because of the announcement by Google's Lunar-X Prize. The Internet giant has created a contest awarding a monetary prize to the first private company that can land a robotic craft on the Moon, travel across the surface and transmit clear images. Google has sweetened the pot with the offer to add bonus money for a landing close to any of the Apollo sites.

Whether any of the up-and-coming spacefaring nations will abide by NASA's No-Fly Zones—especially if they discover hard evidence of ancient alien artifacts—is unknown. They probably won't abide by the NASA restrictions.

But unquestionably, the worried space agency desperately hopes they do.

Some neat photos you got there!
 

One of the many structures that just 'happens' to be in the No-Fly Zone.

Bob, the above shot interested me greatly, because before I lost so many files due to a mishap when transferring files from one compter to another, I use to have, in those archives, a video, supposedly shot by Armstrong during his time on the Moon. It was a silent video, of the interior of a dwelling on the Moon, and if legitimate, it was absolutely a breathtaking revelation for mankind.

The reason that I bring it up now is because the shot above, that you posted, is almost a replica for that building that I saw in the video. 'He' went thro all of its rooms, videoing all aspects of it. It could be the same one. I will try to research that video, and post it here. It was said to have been leaked from NASA, The video, and at the time I had my doubts; but seeing that picture absolutely changes my perception of it now.

However, not to disrupt the present theme in the thread just at this time, but I thought that this video below was extremely interesting, and so I've added it. Regrets and apologies to the viewers if its already been posted...


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4B_OdOR4Ws"]Ancient Aliens - Underground Aliens - {s02e04} Full Length - YouTube[/ame]
 
I beleive this may be the video you are refering to Lia , there is a better longer version out there but I cant seem to find it right now. :wink:

There was some speculation this might have been a hoax, but thats no big surprise and of coarse there was never any proof I am aware of supporting it was a hoax. :doh:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWkGTJEK0Mc&feature=player_embedded"]Ancient Structure On The Moon Filmed By Armstrong, 1969 - YouTube[/ame]
 
Yes, thats the one Bob, altho the one I had was much clearer; maybe NASA had cleaned it up, or whatever, or, maybe I just have 'enhanced my memory' of the actual video, and it just seemd to be clearer from that distance in time. I believe I might have posted it in another UFO/Alien thread by you... not sure now, it was earlier in the year tho.

There is no question however, that that is not a natural formation. The 'dwelling?' was constructed by intelligent design, albeit it seems to be rather primitive. But the apertures were clearly designed as windows, imho. Eerie, but immensely interesting. Thanks for finding it for me. :smile:
 
Just ran across this article and thought some folks might find it interesting . Haven't had a chance to research it yet but sure looks like things are getting closer to disclosure at least in some parts of the world. :doh:

Mayan Documentary Will Show Evidence of Alien Contact, Says Mexico (Exclusive)


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/26/idUS333894436320110926

A new documentary about Mayan civilization will provide evidence of extraterrestrial contact with the ancient culture, according to a Mexican government official and the film's producer.
"Revelations of the Mayans 2012 and Beyond," currently in production, will claim the Mayans had contact with extraterrestrials, producer Raul Julia-Levy revealed to TheWrap.
"Mexico will release codices, artifacts and significant documents with evidence of Mayan and extraterrestrial contact, and all of their information will be corroborated by archaeologists," said Julia-Levy, son of actor Raul Julia.
In a release to TheWrap, Luis Augusto Garcia Rosado, the minister of tourism for the Mexican state of Campeche, said new evidence has emerged "of contact between the Mayans and extraterrestrials, supported by translations of certain codices, which the government has kept secure in underground vaults for some time."
He also spoke, in a phone conversation, of "landing pads in the jungle that are 3,000 years old."
Raul-Julia claims there is proof that the Mayans had intended to lead the planet for thousands of years, but were forced to escape after an invasion by "men of dark intentions," leaving behind evidence of an advanced race.
"The Mexican government is not making this statement on their own -- everything we say, we're going to back it up," he said.
The film will be directed by Juan Carlos Rulfo, who won the Humanitas Prize for "Those Who Remain" in 2009 and the Sundance Grand Jury Prize for International Documentary for "In the Pit" in 2006. Juan Diego Rodriguez Gonzalez will serve as the Guatemalan executive producer, and Eduardo Vertiz as the Mexican executive producer.
And yes, they expect people to take this seriously, because the messages he plans to impart are crucial to human survival, Julia-Levy insisted.

When Julia-Levy, producer Ed Elbert and co-producer Sheila McCarthy announced the Mexican cooperation with their documentary to TheWrap in August, they were circumspect about claims of alien contact, with Julia-Levy admitting he'd been ordered not to say anything about it.
Also read: Mayan Secrets to Be Revealed by Mexican Government in 2012 Doc
Also for that article, Rosado brushed off a question about alient contact and said his country wa simply offering the filmmakers' access to previously unexplored sections of a Mayan site at Calakmul (left).
Now, not only has Rosado changed his tune, but the Guatemalan government has joined the project, as well, giving access to artifacts and newly discovered prophecies
While the Guatemalan government is not offering information about aliens, it has joined Mexico in supporting the project. "Guatemala, like Mexico, home to the ancient yet advanced Mayan civilization … has also kept certain provocative archeological discoveries classified, and now believes that it is time to bring forth this information in the new documentary," Guatemala's minister of tourism, Guillermo Novielli Quezada, said in a statement.
He said the country was working with filmmakers "for the good of mankind."
Raul-Julia claims that the order to cooperate came directly from the country's president, Alvaro Colom Caballero.
Guatemala is the site of a large number of pre-Columbian Mayan settlements in the Mirador Basin, including the extensive and highly organized city of El Mirador (detail, left; exterior on previous page).
In a curious aspect of the new announcement: Guatemalan minister Quezada is quoted as referring to “'Mirador,' the largest pyramid in the world."
But Mirador is not the name of a pyramid. It's the name of the entire settlement, which includes several pyramids, the largest of which is La Danta -- a fact one would expect the Guatemalan minister to know.
"Revelations of the Mayans 2012 and Beyond" begins shooting on Nov. 15 and is due for a theatrical release in late 2012, before the end of the Mayan calendar.
While doomsday scenarios focus on the calendar ending on Dec. 21, 2012, many scholars point out that it simply resets for another 5,126-year cycle on that date.
(El Mirador photos by E. Hernandez/courtesy of fares de Guatemala)
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This is an older very interesting video of recorded talks between several different airline pilots and the control towers . Also later in the video some interesting discussions with DR Richard Haines a NASA research scientist about some other well documented sightings . :wink:


UFO Documentary Real BlackBox Pilot recourding

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEYdIhwSsDM"]UFO Documentary Real BlackBox Pilot recourding - YouTube[/ame]
 
Here is the newest episode of Ancient Aliens for anyone thats following the series. I posted it straight from Utube so you can watch the full show without having to go to the main menu where its split in 3 parts. :wink:

Ancient Aliens season 3 episode 11 - Aliens and the Founding Fathers Full Length HD s03e11

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6APGZpMdcAY&feature=player_embedded"]Ancient Aliens season 3 episode 11 - Aliens and the Founding Fathers Full Length HD s03e11 - YouTube[/ame]
 
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