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Lia, you need to chill out:glare:
I stayed on topic like you asked, yet you continue to name call simply because I don't agree with you.
You need to get over the fact I'm not attacking you, I'm questioning the assumptions made by the people in the Vid.

DNA results are hardly assumtions Shep! I have not called you names, and it doesn't bother me that you disagree with me. I'm not going to lose sleep over the fact that you don't believe in something. What does bothers me however, is that you are spouting off with such venom without bothering to thoroughly examine the research.

You may not realize this Shep, but a Geneticist is a Scientist. A Geneticist carried out the DNA tests, not Lloyde Pye, a perfectly respected author, who, incidently, shelled out to the tune of thousands, so that this could be investigated properly. In fact, despite your censure of him, he has bent over backwards to put the skull thro all the proper channels and tests, with respectable laboratories, and respected scientists. What more would you have him do?
 
I've only done cursory read of this thread, so I apologize if this info has already ben posted.

The starchild skull also has a more mundane explanation: hydrocephalus.
 

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I've only done cursory read of this thread, so I apologize if this info has already ben posted.

The starchild skull also has a more mundane explanation: hydrocephalus.
Thats interesting JP, and that deformaty has been around since ancient times also very well documented as well as very common even today. I say this because from what I have read , every known deformity to man has allready been ruled out .There is also a major difference in how this skull attaches to the body. This is just a snippet from one of the links I posted above. :wink:

THE STARCHILD SKULL
In addition to writing and lecturing, Lloyd Pye is Director of the Starchild Project, a research organization that has been investigating the Starchild Skull since February of 1999.

Lloyd initially thought the skull's unusual physical characteristics must be the result of some kind of deformity, but he soon learned no technically valid explanation for it existed. The most unusual features of the skull include bone that is half as thick and heavy as normal human bone but is significantly more durable; fibers and residue within the matrix of the bone; and an abundance of skull deformations that would be fatal in any normal human. The Starchild Skull is unique in every significant aspect.



The Starchild Skull is a human-like bone skull independently radiocarbon dated at 900 years old (+/- 40 years). It is unlike any other skull that has ever been found or presented for inspection. It is unique in the world.

The "Starchild" name resulted from early X-rays of a maxilla fragment detached from the skull. It had two visible teeth and five unerupted crowns embedded in the bone above. That, combined with a slightly-less-than-normal-adult size of the skull and the infant size of the maxilla fragment indicated a child of 5 or 6. However, subsequent examination by experts has led them to suggest that this age is not necessarily accurate.
From extremely shallow eye sockets to total lack of frontal sinuses, the Starchild skull's physical traits cannot be accounted for by any known combination of deformities. The bone itself has a biochemical signature more like tooth enamel than bone, unlike anything currently known. And inside that unusual bone are microscopic fibers and a red residue that so far defy explanation.
 
I've only done cursory read of this thread, so I apologize if this info has already ben posted.

The starchild skull also has a more mundane explanation: hydrocephalus.

Its a valid point jpr, or would have been had not so many and extensive tests been carried out over the last 12 years on the skull. Hydrocephalus would have been one of the first diseases to have been explored for it's 'condition.'

The other thing is the DNA results, which rather rule out such abnormalities thro disease.

No need to apologize either. You haven't replicated anything, but if you had it wouldn't be a problem. This thread is all about research and speculation. Repetition is often necessary for others to grasp the implications of an issue. I know that I myself learn by repetition in certain area's, technology for starters, lol. I need to be shown many times how to program an electrical device, such as a DVD player.

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My wife and I just got dont watching the entire 3 seasons and every episode. Its a lot to take in but very well worth watching IMO , they covered far more then I was even aware of before and some of the evidence is amazing . Its still up to anyone to make up their own minds but somehow I doubt many are even watching the series.

I will post a short 15 minute one which is the very last video in the 3 season series, so if anyone is watching the series in order you might want to pass this one up untill you watch the previous ones . If this short video wont at least make you ask questions about how they had such inteligence and technology then I dont know what else to say. :wink:


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83B8s0H6tQQ&feature=channel_video_title"]Ancient Aliens Season 3 Episode 6 (PART 3/3) - YouTube[/ame]
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not seeing where hydrocephalus has been ruled out as an explanation.
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not seeing where hydrocephalus has been ruled out as an explanation.


I thought this Quote below perty well meant it was ruled out . If someone like me is aware of that type of a medical condition. I cant imagine someone with experience and knowledge throwing 100's of thousands of dollars and 12 years of his time at it. :wink:


"Starchild skull's physical traits cannot be accounted for by any known combination of deformities. The bone itself has a biochemical signature more like tooth enamel than bone, unlike anything currently known. And inside that unusual bone are microscopic fibers and a red residue that so far defy explanation."
 
I thought this Quote below perty well meant it was ruled out . If someone like me is aware of that type of a medical condition. I cant imagine someone with experience and knowledge throwing 100's of thousands of dollars and 12 years of his time at it. :wink:


"Starchild skull's physical traits cannot be accounted for by any known combination of deformities. The bone itself has a biochemical signature more like tooth enamel than bone, unlike anything currently known. And inside that unusual bone are microscopic fibers and a red residue that so far defy explanation."

What's the source of this quote?
 
My wife and I just got dont watching the entire 3 seasons and every episode. Its a lot to take in but very well worth watching IMO , they covered far more then I was even aware of before and some of the evidence is amazing . Its still up to anyone to make up their own minds but somehow I doubt many are even watching the series.

I will post a short 15 minute one which is the very last video in the 3 season series, so if anyone is watching the series in order you might want to pass this one up untill you watch the previous ones . If this short video wont at least make you ask questions about how they had such inteligence and technology then I dont know what else to say. :wink:


Ancient Aliens Season 3 Episode 6 (PART 3/3) - YouTube

I post the link to the series, and you not only are streets ahead of me already, lol but you've brought so much more to the thread than I could have done, alone. I can't give you rep yet for this post, but I will.

I haven't even gotten around to series 3 yet. :rolleyes:

Nice one Bob. :flowers:
 
It seems Lloyd Pye has his detractors. Ironically enough, the reconstruction animation on his website looks astonishingly like the pic of the hydrocephalic infant that I posted.
Yes it does look like it on the outside, but the other anomolys that are found according to the other articles I have read rule it out IMHO.

As far as him having detracters, anyone that had a complete UFO WITH live Aliens included, would still not convince most of the skeptics that beleive we are the most inteligent life form on earth . :doh:

Not only that but if anyone did have that kind of proof it would be confiscated as all other evidence has been in the past , and as usuall It would be as if it never happened . :wink:
 
Apparently, Lloyd Pye believes that the pyramids in Egypt were built by aliens.
Not that I have heard of allthough there are some experts that think so , most just seem to think extraterestials supplyed the knowledge as well as tools . You would have to look at all of the evidence provided to make up your own mind though . You could start with the short vid I posted a little bit ago if you are interested. :smile:
 
My wife and I just got dont watching the entire 3 seasons and every episode. Its a lot to take in but very well worth watching IMO , they covered far more then I was even aware of before and some of the evidence is amazing . Its still up to anyone to make up their own minds but somehow I doubt many are even watching the series.

I will post a short 15 minute one which is the very last video in the 3 season series, so if anyone is watching the series in order you might want to pass this one up untill you watch the previous ones . If this short video wont at least make you ask questions about how they had such inteligence and technology then I dont know what else to say. :wink:


Ancient Aliens Season 3 Episode 6 (PART 3/3) - YouTube

That was pretty neat, have seen the series before, and still like watching them again.
 
DNA results are hardly assumtions Shep! I have not called you names, and it doesn't bother me that you disagree with me. I'm not going to lose sleep over the fact that you don't believe in something. What does bothers me however, is that you are spouting off with such venom without bothering to thoroughly examine the research.

You may not realize this Shep, but a Geneticist is a Scientist. A Geneticist carried out the DNA tests, not Lloyde Pye, a perfectly respected author, who, incidently, shelled out to the tune of thousands, so that this could be investigated properly. In fact, despite your censure of him, he has bent over backwards to put the skull thro all the proper channels and tests, with respectable laboratories, and respected scientists. What more would you have him do?

I have no venom, you must have added some inflection in my posts that weren't there.

Ok, so we've herd the opinion of one author and one geneticist. I'd like to hear more.I wouldn't get surgery based on a single opinion, and I don't get work done on my home based on what a single person says.
Try not to be condecending, I'm well aware of what and whom are "scientists".
 
I have no venom, you must have added some inflection in my posts that weren't there.

Ok, so we've herd the opinion of one author and one geneticist. I'd like to hear more.I wouldn't get surgery based on a single opinion, and I don't get work done on my home based on what a single person says.
Try not to be condecending, I'm well aware of what and whom are "scientists".
http://www.starchildproject.com/SCS mtDNA Report 3-25-11.pdf
 
Thats great Foggy , thanks I'm glad someone takes the time to view the video's because I find them very educational myself . :smile:

I dont want to take this thread off track from where Lia had intended it to go but I'm going to post a short video I think everyone needs to watch. It has been posted on AOL news before earlier this year, but I had never seen it before . This is the article and video. Below that I will repost a link Lia posted earlier I think might have got overlooked that is a 3 part 35 minute video series called "the The day before disclosure" .

I watched it all this morning and its the best evidence and proof I have seen ever, and the people interviewed are talking first hand experiences. They are military official, astronauts, police officers from all over and mostly retired where they no longer fear talking about it . Please dont take my word for it and do yourselves a favor, because it ends up making perfect sense and it could be the very thing needed to save us from self distruction . Thankyou to anyone that takes the time. :flowers:

Former Canadian Defense Official Blasts US on UFO Cover-Up

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/25/f...asts-us-on-ufo-cover-up/?a_dgi=aolshare_email

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGyFWyNuF3s&feature=player_embedded"]UFO Contact - Former Canadian Defence Minister - Disclosure 2011 ? - YouTube[/ame]


http://newparadigm.no/web/guest/free-screening
 
Thats great Foggy , thanks I'm glad someone takes the time to view the video's because I find them very educational myself . :smile:

All these are great, will watch this one a bit later when I get settled down! But looking forward to it!
 


That was a good video, but my complaint with it is that it doesn't provide any information other than what he is saying. If he has this knowledge, why isn't it being referenced to where and whom.

I don't know if what he is saying is fact or fiction, Gore painted the Global Warming thing as if it was Gospel, but that is now coming apart because of the faked science, but he convinced millions that it was factual.

When these guys speak of such stuff from a level of Authority, they need to put the details into it so that it has merit as well. I'm onboard with a lot of the ideals of ET, but also like to have the stuff to touch you might say as well when they give these types of talks.

Even if it was just a report that the Canadian Government put out... He was part of that, shouldn't there be a report somewhere of these aircraft being dropped out of the sky?

It helps to build a storyline with factual tidbits in there as well.

IMHO, still liked the video though and others should watch it!
 
That was a good video, but my complaint with it is that it doesn't provide any information other than what he is saying. If he has this knowledge, why isn't it being referenced to where and whom.

I don't know if what he is saying is fact or fiction, Gore painted the Global Warming thing as if it was Gospel, but that is now coming apart because of the faked science, but he convinced millions that it was factual.

When these guys speak of such stuff from a level of Authority, they need to put the details into it so that it has merit as well. I'm onboard with a lot of the ideals of ET, but also like to have the stuff to touch you might say as well when they give these types of talks.

Even if it was just a report that the Canadian Government put out... He was part of that, shouldn't there be a report somewhere of these aircraft being dropped out of the sky?

It helps to build a storyline with factual tidbits in there as well.

IMHO, still liked the video though and others should watch it!
Yes I agree Foggy, thats why I reposted Lias link with - 35 minute vids below it .
http://newparadigm.no/web/guest/free-screening


It very much relates to the worldwide UFO conferences & the Disclosure project that have been being held the last few years with officials from all over the world including the Vatican. There is another whole series of vids from these conferences but I think these 3 vids have enough evidence that it should be enough to convince just about anyone that we are being lied to and the evidence has been there all along .

Roswell was NOT a hoax but a government coverup , these videos provide the evidence and interviews from very credible retired military officials that are sick of it being covered up.
 
Here is another great recent documentary that is full of evidence and testimony. It just seems like most just dont really care enough to watch to make up their own minds. :sad:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GpadrhpUG0"]Secret Access: UFOs On The Record (History Channel FULL) - YouTube[/ame]
 
Here is another interesting article much like the Ancient structures all over the world but built much more recently suposedly by just one man right here in the USA. He claimed to have known the secrets of how the ancient ancestors did it. :wink:

Another link here with more info and pics.
http://www.rense.com/general39/coral.htm

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http://www.livescience.com/680-mysterious-coral-castle-fanciful-myth.html

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The Mysterious Coral Castle: A Fanciful Myth

About 30 miles south of Miami, Florida, in a town called Homestead, lies an unusual—some would say impossible—structure, composed of coral rock. Called the Coral Castle, it has a colorful past. It was the life's work of a reclusive Latvian immigrant named Edward Leedskalnin, who built the complex after being jilted by his sixteen-year-old sweetheart on their wedding day.
As a tribute to his love, Leedskalnin allegedly cut, quarried, and raised the castle, consisting of more than 1,000 tons of coral rock formed into furniture and large slabs. He began his work in 1920 and continued until his death in 1951.
Under any circumstances the castle is a remarkable feat, though how exactly the man did it has puzzled many, for he supposedly worked without assistance or the use of modern machinery.


Many sources suggest that the castle is scientifically inexplicable. One typical magazine article claimed, "The question that has perplexed engineers and scientists for decades is how such a tiny, uneducated man single-handedly built such a place." According to the castle's Web site, "Coral Castle has baffled scientists, engineers, and scholars since its opening in 1923."

The castle has been featured in dozens of magazines and books on the unexplained, as well as on television shows such as "In Search Of," "That's Incredible" and "Ripley's Believe It Or Not."
British rocker Billy Idol even wrote a hit song about Leedskalnin's story, "Sweet Sixteen."
Over the decades, many stories and wild theories have emerged about Leedskalnin and his castle. Some say he levitated the blocks with his mind, or by singing to the stones. Others suggest Leedskalnin had arcane knowledge of magnetism and so-called "earth energies." One author suggested that perhaps Leedskalnin found that "there's no such thing as gravity." Since science supposedly could not explain the feat, wild speculation took hold.
It's easy to claim the castle defies scientific explanation, but searches for the investigations made by perplexed and baffled scientists come up empty. Despite the information on their Web site, the Coral Castle information booth was unable to identify a single scientist or engineer who had specifically examined the castle. This puts the claim in a whole new light, since "hasn't explained" is clearly not the same as "can't explain."
There is one detail that virtually all agree on: since the reclusive Leedskalnin spent nearly thirty years working mostly at night and away from prying eyes, no one actually saw him move the coral. Since no one saw the blocks actually being moved, no one can state for certain that the task was accomplished by Leedskalnin alone. The claim that Leedskalnin didn't use modern (post-1920s) tools is obviously true, but the mistake is in assuming that modern tools are required to move the large blocks of coral.
Ultimately—and ironically—the solution may lie in Leedskalnin's own simple explanation: that he did it using principles of weight and leverage. "I have discovered the secrets of the pyramids," he said, employing the same methods used by ancient Egyptians. If Leedskalnin was being truthful, then the mystery is solved, for the methods by which the Egyptian pyramids could be constructed are well understood (see, for example, Mark Lehner's 1997 book The Complete Pyramids).
Photos exist of large tripods, pulleys, and winches at the Coral Castle site, and several sources (e.g., Wallace Wallington's Web site http://www.theforgottentechnology.com) demonstrate how massive weights can be moved by one or two people using simple physics. (The comparisons to Egypt's pyramids are a red herring; there are vast differences in weight, material, and complexity between the castle's coral slabs and the huge stone pyramids at Giza. Because coral is porous, large blocks appear heavier than they actually are.)
Many mystery mongers arrogantly assume that those living in earlier times (such as Leedskalnin, or the ancient Egyptians) were not clever or resourceful enough to possibly have created impressive engineering feats without extraterrestial aid or mysterious powers. This view betrays an ignorance of history and sadly underestimates human ingenuity. It seems likely that if scientists haven't explained the Coral Castle specifically, it's because there's little to "explain." The Coral Castle mystery seems to be simply a matter of poorly-informed people who reject a mundane reality in favor of a fanciful myth.
 
That was a good video, but my complaint with it is that it doesn't provide any information other than what he is saying. If he has this knowledge, why isn't it being referenced to where and whom.

I don't know if what he is saying is fact or fiction, Gore painted the Global Warming thing as if it was Gospel, but that is now coming apart because of the faked science, but he convinced millions that it was factual.

When these guys speak of such stuff from a level of Authority, they need to put the details into it so that it has merit as well. I'm onboard with a lot of the ideals of ET, but also like to have the stuff to touch you might say as well when they give these types of talks.

Even if it was just a report that the Canadian Government put out... He was part of that, shouldn't there be a report somewhere of these aircraft being dropped out of the sky?

It helps to build a storyline with factual tidbits in there as well.

IMHO, still liked the video though and others should watch it!

Foggy, I posted this video on another forum around a year of two ago. Here's the thing. He's not alone; many prominent military, defense and political personnel have come forward over the last decade, over 400 military personnel alone, to blow the whistle on these issues, the government and NASA; and their only detractors are laymen and women. Those who aren't in the know. Why aren't the government or NASA challenging them, if they are talking nonsense?




The closest the world has ever been to a UFO disclosure was in 2001, when Dr Steven Greer led a group of witnesses - all with ties to government authorities such as military, the NSA and NASA - came forward at the National Press Club and spoke of UFO activity. Members of major media networks such as the BBC were present.


There is also the detailed account of Aaron McCallum, an ex-black operative agent, who says that he has interacted with aliens within the US military.

Authorities Coming Forward Regarding Possible Extraterrestrial Life


Despite the negative accounts of whistleblowers linking the government to aliens, there has really been no official word on the subject to deny the accounts. It is not until a few years ago that institutions around the world have started igniting this topic with a series of announcements.


Back in 2008, Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, an astronomer and director of the Vatican observatory, announced to the world that the possibility of alien life does not conflict with the church’s faith in God. The same topic was brought up again in 2009.


In August 2010, the British government released secret files from its national archives confirming that authorities have been taking note of the UFO issue since the 1950s.


In December 2010, NASA made an announcement regarding a discovery, which according to them gave a broader definition to life. They discovered a microbe strain the GFAJ-1, that can build part of itself out of arsenic.


And today, February 3rd 2011, NASA has announced the discovery of more than 50 planets that have the potential for life forms. Up till now, they’ve discovered none.


Can NASA and the Vatican Be in This Together?


One has to ask why this sudden influx of information on the possibility of alien life by all the major institutions in such a short span of time.


Is there a link between NASA, the Vatican and the governments of the world the public is not aware of? Has this information been coordinated for timely release?


It may be that they all believe that the subject of UFO has become so popular that it is time for them to officially update their procedures and beliefs. Or is this all part of a more sinister plan?


Read more at Suite101: NASA Keeps Adding Information to the Possibility of Alien LIfe | Suite101.com http://www.suite101.com/content/nasa-keeps-adding-information-to-the-possibility-of-alien-life-a342279#ixzz1XCeJQL2n



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