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Fur Coats?
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dzalphakilo
Banned
Hey PB, ever decide that you want to give back to your community and work at a special olympics event?
Work at one and see the kids, and what it actually means to them to be there.
If you ever did, you'll understand when I say to you that I would love to knock your big frogger ass back to where it belongs for using a picture of a child with a metal handicap to make a point.
Your kids must be so proud of you.
Work at one and see the kids, and what it actually means to them to be there.
If you ever did, you'll understand when I say to you that I would love to knock your big frogger ass back to where it belongs for using a picture of a child with a metal handicap to make a point.
Your kids must be so proud of you.
Tractors4u
Active member
That is the same reason that people buy Corvettes. Who needs one? The speed limit is 70 MPH on the interstate. Anything over 70 is a waste. Why anything that exceeds the minimum that will get us by? Because we can. It is just like the people that complain about gas guzzling SUVs. They complain about them because they see them as status symbols, perhaps a status symbol that they can't afford. They don't complain about my 15 MPG full size truck because it isn't something that they want or that they envy. There are plenty of them sucking down the fuel, probably more so than the number number of SUVs.
dzalphakilo
Banned
I've already made the comment that it comes down to money and supply and demand.
Tractors4u
Active member
Yes, but your original comment in this thread was;
"Personally when I see a lady wearing a fur coat, I just think of a rich bitch."
And then you were taking up for the animals.
My point is that I don't think it is as much about fur farms, fur traders, etc as it is you just don't like people with furs or things that you feel are in excess. This of course is just purely speculation based on your first post in this thread.
"Personally when I see a lady wearing a fur coat, I just think of a rich bitch."
And then you were taking up for the animals.
My point is that I don't think it is as much about fur farms, fur traders, etc as it is you just don't like people with furs or things that you feel are in excess. This of course is just purely speculation based on your first post in this thread.
Don't we already have a bunch of laws based on things like envy and even personal dislike? Look at our tax laws for penalties based on class envy. We also have excise taxes on many goods, another term for excise tax is luxury tax and that is the term that was used historically. In a similar vein are the dislike laws . . . like the 'assault weapon' and 'saturday night special' regulations in some states. Pick something you don't like, get some Hollywood stars to agree with you, add some disgruntled moms to support it and you can pretty much pass a law that will restrict someone else from doing something you don't want done!
What gives someone the right to take away my rights?
Don't take what I said so personally, Geezus!!
I was speaking of the decline in health amongst people who don't give a shit about what they eat, nor do they listen to their personal physician's advice on how to change their diets and improve their health.
Don't blame me because you like to apparently shove great gobs of crap down your throat and have packed on the pounds because of it.
Me, lose a few pounds?
Never sweetheart.. that would mean I'd have to walk around looking like the rail thin, sickly women that you probably fantasize about.
Curves are in.
You should know that hehe
Not at all.
I eat beans, rice, bread,fruit, vegetables, meat analogs (no fat-not cholesterol)..I enjoy a BK veggie on occasion, I do eat fish but rarely.. I had a piece of turkey (farm raised/organic) to make my mother happy both at Thanksgiving and Christmas.
I don't wear fur, don't own anything made of leather, I love all animals and my health is great except for the occasional bout with gout in my foot and a heart condition that I've had since age 26 (MVP).
Since adopting this weird vegetarian diet, I have rarely had a cold, I dropped 15 lbs without even TRYING, and I can walk and swim better than I did at age 20.
This isn't ABOUT fur per se.. it's about where MY food sources come from and my choices and knowing what I do feels right.
The fact is, I wouldn't ever harm an animal, nor would I make one a constant in my diet.
I feel too f**king good now to do so.
AMEN!
Man Bobcat.. I nearly posted a pic of my naked flesh, you know.. my nakedness that needs to lose a few pounds??There can be too many curves, we need to wrap a fur coat around these...
lol
Snowcat Operations
Active member
OK Bob why the picture of the uh pumpkin? Maybe I shouldnt ask.
Snowcat Operations
Active member
DID BOB say you needed to loose a few pounds? Ive seen them pictures you speak of and there is nothing WRONG with your Nakedness (well it was not quite nudy stuff) But still NOTHING wrong with you body!
dzalphakilo
Banned
Man, good thinking but I think your somewhat off.
I mentioned the reason for my comment per the "bitch" remark. That's something I noticed first hand which helped me form an opinion, nothing more. I'm smart enough to know that not all women are bitches who wear fur coats, but I'd be willing to bet that most of them are
Since I don't know a lot of men who were fur coats, don't have a personal opinion on them, however I have noticed if I'm in a large city and I see a guy wearing a full length fur coat my first thought is he's a flaming gay.
I don't mind excess, hey, you work hard, that's your right. Spend you're money as you wish. I do not however like excess at the direct expense of another life, even if it is an animals life.
I'm not talking about fat people eating too much, but someone like Mrs. Skurka who wants a fur coat (even though she dosen't really need one) and through demand, the market supplies. Chances are that market is a fur farm breeding and killing animals for the primary purpose of their pelt, so people like Mrs. Skurka can feel nice or whatever I guess. Again, chances are when you're in Macy's or a department store, with over 336 mink farms in the U.S, I find it hard to beleive that the fur isn't "farm bred".
Seems you guys are just making excuses about how bad the "Real world" is and that nothing you do can change that, or becuase we're on top of the food chain, it's our right to do with the world as we see fit, come hell or high water. I would think with greater thinking comes greater responsibility.
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Cityboy
Banned
OK, PG...quit screwin' around & teasin' us boyz and post the nekked pics already!!
Tractors4u
Active member
Sorry, DZ I'll change the picture next time to use f'tard. In your case that might be more suitable.
dzalphakilo
Banned
Sorry, DZ I'll change the picture next time to use f'tard. In your case that might be more suitable.
No problem, I know you guys are slow anyway
The question I can't help but wonder though is what if the picture you posted per being retarded were of your child? How would you feel?
No problem, I know you guys are slow anyway
The question I can't help but wonder though is what if the picture you posted per being retarded were of your child? How would you feel?
Man DZ, you are just the super PC police in this thread. Do you want to come over and sift through my garbage and make sure I'm recycling everything properly.
You do that poster justice. Chill out and get a life.
dzalphakilo
Banned
Hey, you've got over 1400 more posts than me and I need to get a life
I'm as cool as an ice cube
Take a look the last time someone here used that same "poster". They got the same response I gave to you.
Personally I expected more from you.
If you want to pay for my airfare, I'll be glad to go through your garbage
mtntopper
Back On Track
Who would think that the topic of buying a fur coats would create this much heated debate and discussion? Each person posting shows individual strong opinions as to the right or wrong of furs coats and the killing of animals for human usage.
I believe if you have enough money your going to spend it on something that someone else does not approve of in the end. This is just human nature responding to personal desires that not everyone is going to agree upon as essential needs. Live and let live, it is just a personal choice and not world war III. My motor vehicle fleet is my personal way to express myself. Many people believe it is wasteful and it probably is, but I never asked them for their opinion as it is my personal choice to have many different types of fuel guzzling vehicles that seldom get used.
Bob did ask, so go ahead and torture him to the fullest....
Great and very interesting debate for all of us to watch and follow...
I believe if you have enough money your going to spend it on something that someone else does not approve of in the end. This is just human nature responding to personal desires that not everyone is going to agree upon as essential needs. Live and let live, it is just a personal choice and not world war III. My motor vehicle fleet is my personal way to express myself. Many people believe it is wasteful and it probably is, but I never asked them for their opinion as it is my personal choice to have many different types of fuel guzzling vehicles that seldom get used.
Bob did ask, so go ahead and torture him to the fullest....
Great and very interesting debate for all of us to watch and follow...
I actually figured this could be a heated debate, but I figured wrong on who the people would be who oppose fur coats (or at least the people I figured have kept out of the discussion thus far).Who would think that the topic of buying a fur coats would create this much heated debate and discussion?
. . .
Bob did ask, so go ahead and torture him to the fullest....
As for the torture, it is far from that! I'm actually enjoying this. There are some points that I had not considered, but honestly now that I have considered them they still don't bother me! I just packed my little sister off on an airplane to New York city. She was wearing a Persian Lamb and Mink coat. I'm guessing it was 'farm/ranch' raised
I believe, after looking into the closet, that my wife owns 2 farm/ranch raised coats and 3 'trapped/shot' coats
I also noticed 3 leather jackets in that closet are mine, but I suppose that the tree huggers think its OK to wear the leather since the meat probably ended up as a Big Mac and was passed out of a drive-thru window. There were some goatskin gloves, pigskin gloves and a few pairs of leather gloves in the same closet . . . Lots of dead animals in that closet, some of which were probably tasty, some of which were probably destined for dog food. 
thcri
Gone But Not Forgotten
fogtender
Now a Published Author
The issues of to have or not to have is more based on where a person lives.
The ones that live in the city as a whole don't have a clue to what it takes to "Harvest" furs, either from a farm or from trapping.
The ones that live out away from the city life are closer to what it takes to live closer to the land.
Farmers know that without the use of animals on the farm or in their lifestyle, they don't make a living or survive.
People in a city go to the local store and buy a prepackaged steak with no real idea of what it took to get it there for them, much less the milk, wheat, corn etc. Then they bash the fur trade when they are all one in the same and these people for the most part have no clue to what they are talking about.
The movie that Sean Penn's did "Into the Wild" is based on a guy that had no clue to what being in the wild was about and it cost him his life, he was an idiot (Penn too). He died a few miles from where we live here. But I read the reviews of all the city folk that went to see it and they are all in awe of it... Not a clue to what an idiot the kid was, or even how to save himself.
Point is that these same folks that dislike furs, come here to see where the bus is to be in awe of the "Wild", which is my backyard (front yard, side yard...).
Life starts at a blade of grass and ends up with the humans, and everything in between is life, you use it and cherish it for its use.
The talk of using all the man made products to replace fur, is a stupid debate when you figure how much "damage" to the enviorment was done to drill for the oil to get the base for synthetics clothing to mining for the metal to make a zipper. (and I am not anti mining or drilling, just putting it into context)
So instead of killing an animal to make a fur coat, we wipe out a habitat to make a fake one.... kinda like cutting off your nose to spite your face...and in the big picture, pretty lame excuse for being anti fur other than the cute fuzzy issue....
Wear fur, it is real.
The ones that live in the city as a whole don't have a clue to what it takes to "Harvest" furs, either from a farm or from trapping.
The ones that live out away from the city life are closer to what it takes to live closer to the land.
Farmers know that without the use of animals on the farm or in their lifestyle, they don't make a living or survive.
People in a city go to the local store and buy a prepackaged steak with no real idea of what it took to get it there for them, much less the milk, wheat, corn etc. Then they bash the fur trade when they are all one in the same and these people for the most part have no clue to what they are talking about.
The movie that Sean Penn's did "Into the Wild" is based on a guy that had no clue to what being in the wild was about and it cost him his life, he was an idiot (Penn too). He died a few miles from where we live here. But I read the reviews of all the city folk that went to see it and they are all in awe of it... Not a clue to what an idiot the kid was, or even how to save himself.
Point is that these same folks that dislike furs, come here to see where the bus is to be in awe of the "Wild", which is my backyard (front yard, side yard...).
Life starts at a blade of grass and ends up with the humans, and everything in between is life, you use it and cherish it for its use.
The talk of using all the man made products to replace fur, is a stupid debate when you figure how much "damage" to the enviorment was done to drill for the oil to get the base for synthetics clothing to mining for the metal to make a zipper. (and I am not anti mining or drilling, just putting it into context)
So instead of killing an animal to make a fur coat, we wipe out a habitat to make a fake one.... kinda like cutting off your nose to spite your face...and in the big picture, pretty lame excuse for being anti fur other than the cute fuzzy issue....
Wear fur, it is real.
ddrane2115
Charter Member
dzalphakilo
Banned
I believe, after looking into the closet, that my wife owns 2 farm/ranch raised coats and 3 'trapped/shot' coats
Bob
I'm going out on a limb here. Without any data collected in any fahsion, but just going off a hunch from experience, if your wife went to college (which I'm thinking she did because you mentioned she is a school teacher), I'd bet you $100 that she was a member of a soriety in college.
Am I right big guy?
dzalphakilo
Banned
So instead of killing an animal to make a fur coat, we wipe out a habitat to make a fake one.... kinda like cutting off your nose to spite your face...and in the big picture, pretty lame excuse for being anti fur other than the cute fuzzy issue....
Wear fur, it is real.
Please mention two examples of where we wipe out a habitat to make a fake fur.
I can't wait...
JimR
Charter Member
I see nothing wrong with a fur coat. Some people wear them because they are nice and warm. I doubt we will ever wipe out any population of animal harvesting furs. Some people on the other hand, like my neighbor's wife, wears one to look the part of a trophy wife. She's blonde with no brains who constantly shakes her head from side to side throwing her hair around like a dog in heat. Oh, maybe she has fleas. I'm sorry. I can't stand her because she is a pompous sn-b a-s who sh-t doesn't stink and because she and her husband ripped off a contractor I know for $14K.