Fur Coats?

[Melensdad]

I never heard a officer bragging about taking R.O.T.C anywhere.

Perhaps West Point, but that's it.

Chances are good that Bob's wife only took R.O.T.C as an elective. Since Bob didn't go into details (such as where she took her actual military training) I really don't know.

Fort Bliss, El Paso, Texas. It was while she was in graduate school working on a masters degree in history, and you don't need 'electives' in graduate school. And I was not bragging, simply pointing out that she is a far more diverse individual than your stereotyping would have suggested.

 

[Tractors4u]

My wife tells me my penis is pretty cool.

Guess that's about it

Cool = Shrinkage

 

[Cityboy]

Cool = Shrinkage

Get some sheep skin drawers and warm your winkie up, DZ.

 

[dzalphakilo]

simply pointing out that she is a far more diverse individual than your stereotyping would have suggested.

That's exactly what sterotyping is Bob, looking past a persons unique life experiences that help create them as an individual.

It is interesting however that I guessed she may of been a soriety chick (again, a sterotype).

 

[dzalphakilo]

Cool = Shrinkage

Perhaps in your household.

Thinking about it, I do have a Timex watch, would that be cool enough for you

 

[dzalphakilo]

Get some sheep skin drawers and warm your winkie up, DZ.

Nude all the way dude.

I live in nice warm N.C now

 

[dzalphakilo]

I think this is enough about picking on Bob's wife or as a matter of fact anyone's wife.

I never picked on Bobs wife at all. Asked one closed ended question.

You could say it has been about streotyping, that's about it.

Funny, if I remember correctly, this subject was started by Bob when he bought his wife something.

 

[OhioTC18]

Damn, I guess my wife is really deprived. She doesn't have a fur coat, never belonged to a sorority, isn't a Rich Bitch and I don't have any sheep skin drawers to keep my winkie warm.

 

[Melensdad]

if I remember correctly, this subject was started by Bob

Yup, to discuss fur coats and what constitutes good use of pelts, and to discuss other types of pelts (shearling/leather/etc) that for some reason are not considered 'fur' but are really the same thing.

simply pointing out that she is a far more diverse individual than your stereotyping would have suggested.

That's exactly what sterotyping is Bob, looking past a persons unique life experiences that help create them as an individual.

It is interesting however that I guessed she may of been a soriety chick (again, a sterotype).

Most definitions of Stereotyping suggest it is insulting and the person doing the stereotyping is over simplifying the person to make himself feel superior.

STEREOTYPING: Stereotype: A fixed, commonly held notion or image of a person or group, based on an oversimplification of some observed or imagined trait of behaviour or appearance. But most stereotypes tend to make us feel superior in some way to the person or group being stereotyped. Stereotypes ignore the uniqueness of individuals by painting all members of a group with the same brush. They reflect ideas that groups of people hold about others who are different from them. The image evoked is easily recognized and understood by others who share the same views.
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Now, can all of us get back to fur coats and stop insulting each other?

I still don't understand how people can suggest that fur is bad but have leather seats in their cars, or own a shearling coats/boots, etc. Sure, most fur comes from hunted or farm raised pelts that never end up on the menu at the local diner, but so what. If the coyote was not shot, it would have never made it to the collar of a nice parka, but the fact of the matter is that coyotes are a pest in many areas and need to be shot/trapped to be controlled, so why not use the pelts instead of letting them go to waste? Ditto raccoon, muskrat, etc. As for mink, which is commonly raised, why is it so different than anything else that is raised for a purpose?

 

[JimR]

Damn, I wear leather boots too and I love them. We also have an old Buffalo throw that dates back to the 1800's. I only wish the hair would stop falling out of it. I would like to try it out in the cold weather sometime.

 

[fogtender]

Could you please explain to me again how I'm a hypocrite?

Here, this may help you out a bit...

hypocrite

Main Entry: hyp·o·crite Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai Date: 13th century 1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion 2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
— hypocrite adjective

Taken from:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite


You refered to someone's wife that wears a fur as a "Rich Bitch" as if you were against people wearing fur, and you hunt, killing animals.

Pretty much sums up your question...You are a hypocrite by definition...

By the way, most of us don't have objections to hunting or wearing furs nor make off handed statements that would normally come from someone who has no clue about hunting or trapping fur bearing animals...

 

[dzalphakilo]

Here, this may help you out a bit...

hypocrite

Main Entry: hyp·o·crite Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai Date: 13th century 1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion 2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
— hypocrite adjective

Taken from:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite


You refered to someone's wife that wears a fur as a "Rich Bitch" as if you were against people wearing fur, and you hunt, killing animals.

Pretty much sums up your question...You are a hypocrite by definition...

By the way, most of us don't have objections to hunting or wearing furs nor make off handed statements that would normally come from someone who has no clue about hunting or trapping fur bearing animals...

Being up in the boonies you don't get much reading done other than a computer, do you?

I refered to most women I know who own fur coats as bitches, not Bobs wife. Apologies if I don't sugar coat it for you. Like candy?

Got news for you dude, I admitted I agree with you to an extent.

I hunt. I don't like fur farms. I think animals that pelts are used for commercial sales should not be raised on a farm for the primary purpose of using their skin.

What's it like with all those stupid trees hiding your place

 

[Doc]

I do not understand your position DZ.
Cattle farms are okay. We eat the steaks and use the leather for all kinds of things.

Fish farms ...haven't been mentioned but guessing they are okay.
Same with sheep, goats etc. all okay to be rasied on a farm and used as we see fit.

But mink farms are not okay. What is so special about the mink or other animals that we only use for fur?

How about worm farms. Are they okay? We only raise them to use in catching fish (as far as I know). Do you have a problem with those farms?

 

[Doc]

I do not understand your position DZ.
Cattle farms are okay. We eat the steaks and use the leather for all kinds of things.

Fish farms ...haven't been mentioned but guessing they are okay.
Same with sheep, goats etc. all okay.

But mink farms are not okay. What is so special about the mink or other animals that we only use for fur?

 

[dzalphakilo]

I do not understand your position DZ.
Cattle farms are okay. We eat the steaks and use the leather for all kinds of things.

Fish farms ...haven't been mentioned but guessing they are okay.
Same with sheep, goats etc. all okay to be rasied on a farm and used as we see fit.

But mink farms are not okay. What is so special about the mink or other animals that we only use for fur?

How about worm farms. Are they okay? We only raise them to use in catching fish (as far as I know). Do you have a problem with those farms?

We are carnivores (sp?). Heck, I like my steak Pittsburgh black. Using a animal for meat, then utilizing the carcass (sp?) for other products I can live with. A "fur farms" primary purpose is fur. As mentioned, it only makes good business practice to utilize the rest of the carcass (sp?) afterwards.

This whole discussion is based on personal opinion.

Personally, I think most people in the U.S don't really need fur, but hey, it's "nice". Personally, I don't think fur bearing animals raised on a farm should die for the personal "whims" because someone wants to buy it.

I can assure you, I've never thrown paint on someone wearing fur or done anything illegal, not that it matters. Actually, the only time I've discussed my feelings with anyone per this subject is here on this forum. People are going to do what they want to do, that's a fact.

Never considered worms, but guess it could be argued that the primary reason for being raised in for bait. Then again, REAL fishermen use a fly rod

I guess part of my opinion is formed by that one video I posted here in the pet section about how unwanted animals were killed via the gas box in my own county. When you see former unwanted "pets" thrown into a box 10 or more animals at a time to save on cost, fighting for their lives, well it may give you a different perspective on why animals should die. Particularly when it's at the hands of our own ignorance.

We even haven't even discussed about the largest fur producing country in the world, China. How well regulated do you think China is when it comes to business practices? Unless if they get to the point where they litterally hang a CEO to make a point, probably not that very well. Then again, it all comes down to the consumer and what is accepted.

As I mentioned before, I not against fur in general, only fur farms. Like jewlery (sp?), on average personally I can't see spending the money on fur when you can buy something on average for less expense. Then again, supply and demand. People have the money to buy something, the product will be made.

 

[Melensdad]

We are carnivores (sp?). Heck, I like my steak Pittsburgh black. Using a animal for meat, then utilizing the carcass (sp?) for other products I can live with. A "fur farms" primary purpose is fur. As mentioned, it only makes good business practice to utilize the rest of the carcass (sp?) afterwards.

My sister is a vegetarian, bordering on vegan. She eats a strict diet for health reasons. She does, however wear leather (and fur).

So she would be happy enough to skin the cow and not use the meat.

Seems to me that using your logic then 'vegetarians' should be outlawed from having leather/shearling/etc because in your mindset the animals used to produce those products are 'primarily' eaten and those products are the 'by products' of food production? To her mindset, it is the meat that is the by product, and the leather/shearling/etc that is her primary interest.

Heck, using your logic, meat eaters should be required to wear leather/shearling/etc. And vegetarians should, therefore, not be allowed to use any animal products (like medicines, leathers, fertilizers, or even feed their pets animal based products). So who is going to enforce your code of conduct? Another government agency!?!

 

[Doc]

I can't get a grasp on your logic DZ.
If our country was run that way then those who didn't like ham would want to outlaw pig farming, simply because they don't eat it.

Focusing on minks but it should apply to other animals raised for their fur. These minks would not be born & many would not have any life if it weren't for the farm. The ones born in the wild have a lessor chance of ever growing to adulthood. And lets say, parts of the animal besides the fur are used for dog chow, horse meal or whatever. I see no difference to this than raising cattle or pigs or worms. They are serving us in the form of fur lined gloves, panties, underwear & or coats. All the same in the grand scheme of things to my way of thinking.

 

[dzalphakilo]

I can't get a grasp on your logic DZ.
If our country was run that way then those who didn't like ham would want to outlaw pig farming, simply because they don't eat it.

Is belief in ones God logical?

Using logic, could you explain to me how God exists?

People eat ham, just like steak.

 

[dzalphakilo]

My sister is a vegetarian, bordering on vegan. She eats a strict diet for health reasons. She does, however wear leather (and fur).

So she would be happy enough to skin the cow and not use the meat.

Seems to me that using your logic then 'vegetarians' should be outlawed from having leather/shearling/etc because in your mindset the animals used to produce those products are 'primarily' eaten and those products are the 'by products' of food production? To her mindset, it is the meat that is the by product, and the leather/shearling/etc that is her primary interest.

Heck, using your logic, meat eaters should be required to wear leather/shearling/etc. And vegetarians should, therefore, not be allowed to use any animal products (like medicines, leathers, fertilizers, or even feed their pets animal based products). So who is going to enforce your code of conduct? Another government agency!?!

Interesting, I hiked with a vegan (ok, I'll bragg a little, she was the topic in a article of Israel's version "National Geographic" for being the first Israili women to accomplish some "feats" in the U.S, and of course she served in the Israili Army, which was madatory) and she had a different philosophy than your sister Bob.

Guess it all comes down to the individual.

 

[fogtender]

As I mentioned before, I not against fur in general, only fur farms. Like jewlery (sp?), on average personally I can't see spending the money on fur when you can buy something on average for less expense. Then again, supply and demand. People have the money to buy something, the product will be made.

That is kinda like saying you are a KKK member only on Thursdays and Monday afternoon. The rest of the week you aren't ok with it...

If you don't like fur, fine, but don't make enflamitory remarks and then say sometimes it is ok to wear and make statements that generalize people that wear fur.

I personnally have no problems in someone wearing fur, I don't however like fur farms, same as veal becase of the way it is raised, but I eat beef. If someone else eats an expensive cut of beef, and someone else eats a hamburger, what is the difference.....not much to the cow and I don't generalize the two people eating on what they can afford.

What I do have a real grudge against is killing any animal for fun or sport in that nothing is used but Photos for bragging rights, that is an extreme waste.

As far as you thinking I am up in the "Boonies", yep you are right about that, but I have prob been more places in the world than you have read about and I like the "Boonies" just fine, but again you are making statements that generalize and you are again off base.

In response to your question of... "What's it like with all those stupid trees hiding your place?" They would be pretty much be blocking your view of the forest here too, and it is really nice with Mt. McKinley as a backdrop!

 

[RedRocker]

What exactly is a stupid tree? How can I tell how intelligent my trees are?

 

[dzalphakilo]

That is kinda like saying you are a KKK member only on Thursdays and Monday afternoon. The rest of the week you aren't ok with it...

If you don't like fur, fine, but don't make enflamitory remarks and then say sometimes it is ok to wear and make statements that generalize people that wear fur.

I personnally have no problems in someone wearing fur, I don't however like fur farms, same as veal becase of the way it is raised, but I eat beef. If someone else eats an expensive cut of beef, and someone else eats a hamburger, what is the difference.....not much to the cow and I don't generalize the two people eating on what they can afford.

What I do have a real grudge against is killing any animal for fun or sport in that nothing is used but Photos for bragging rights, that is an extreme waste.

As far as you thinking I am up in the "Boonies", yep you are right about that, but I have prob been more places in the world than you have read about and I like the "Boonies" just fine, but again you are making statements that generalize and you are again off base.

In response to your question of... "What's it like with all those stupid trees hiding your place?" They would be pretty much be blocking your view of the forest here too, and it is really nice with Mt. McKinley as a backdrop!

First off, KKK meetings here in good ol' Yadkin County, North Carolina are held only the first Tuesday of each new month.

Apologies about the "inflamatory" remarks. Being politically correct or having a "social grace" was never a strong point of mine (although I'm a lot nicer than some of my good friends).

Your next two paragraphs show we probably have more in common than you may realize. I agree 120% with your opinions.

You may of been in more places in the world than myself, but don't bet on it. So what? Learned a long time ago that home is where the heart is.

As far as the "boonies", I sort of like them too.

The "stupid tree" comment was a direct quote that I took from you.

Funny, when I camped with a guy who came down from Mt. McKinley the day before, guess what? He didn't wear any fur to the summit (not that I didn't believe him, but the pictures he took at the summit was a wonderful view).

 

[dzalphakilo]

What exactly is a stupid tree? How can I tell how intelligent my trees are?

Have to ask fogtender, I took the term from him.

 

[fogtender]

What exactly is a stupid tree? How can I tell how intelligent my trees are?

A "Stupid" tree is what blocks someone's view who can't see the forest....

That person makes the statement that the "Stupid" trees are in the way, is a medifore of blank statements about something they have no clue about that everyone else sees clearly....

I guess that was way too much for dzalphakilo to figure out... maybe we can get him a compass

 

[fogtender]

Funny, when I camped with a guy who came down from Mt. McKinley the day before, guess what? He didn't wear any fur to the summit (not that I didn't believe him, but the pictures he took at the summit was a wonderful view).

The clothes that the guys climbing the mountain far exceed the price of furs in most cases, they will spend thousands of dollars for getting outfitted for a few day's trip. It has it's own weather system up on the mountain. But guess what, the earlier climbers all wore furs...

I have been able to fly over it a bunch of times, and still enjoy the aerial view. Even with all the safety precautions, at least one person gets killed each year on the average. Your friend had to be in 110% shape!

 

[JimR]

Beautiful pictures "Holy Shit" Wish I lived up there to play on those grounds.

 

[fogtender]

Beautiful pictures "Holy Shit" Wish I lived up there to play on those grounds.

This is the view from the front of the cabin, looking South accross the lake. "Roughwoods" has an even better view from his homestead on the Upper Kantisna River... Beats this one hands down....

 

[RedRocker]

Holy Crap!! You sure have a nice view through those stupid trees!!

 

[dzalphakilo]

A "Stupid" tree is what blocks someone's view who can't see the forest....

That person makes the statement that the "Stupid" trees are in the way, is a medifore of blank statements about something they have no clue about that everyone else sees clearly....

I guess that was way too much for dzalphakilo to figure out... maybe we can get him a compass

Guess it was too much for you to figure out that I wasn't the one who asked the question about "stupid trees".

We go back to that reading issue you may have.

By the way, unless you have a topo with you, a compass is going to be very limited on what you can do.

Nice view, remember it well. You can have the winters though.

 

[fogtender]

Holy Crap!! You sure have a nice view through those stupid trees!!

Yeah, I just cut the stupid ones down, makes for a great view...