Tractors4u
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And who took us to the American Indian topic?
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WHAT IF 20 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS VACATED AMERICA?
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And who took us to the American Indian topic?
alaska120
Mayor McCheese
Another angle...
If we allow the latitude to illegal immigrants that the democracks propose, then exactly what rights do legal Americans have that make us Americans?
I was under the impression that my right to vote, drive a car, get a credit card, etc. were my rights as an American.
Would the US even be a discernable soverign country any longer?
What would make America, well, America?
If we allow the latitude to illegal immigrants that the democracks propose, then exactly what rights do legal Americans have that make us Americans?
I was under the impression that my right to vote, drive a car, get a credit card, etc. were my rights as an American.
Would the US even be a discernable soverign country any longer?
What would make America, well, America?
paul webster
Banned
Are you really serious, I really hope you dont believe we are a soverign nation... that would make it to easy, I dont claim to know any of the immigration SOLUTIONS, I just know that I would not want that burden on anyone, there are so many variables that the courts ( plural ) meaning, civil, criminal, and customs and immigration, have a daunting task at hand, with no future light at the end of this tunnel........
Cityboy
Banned
Wow! This is the most excitement FF has seen in a while! I think I'll give Paul some rep points for raising the dead. 
Welcome to FF Paul Webster. Calm down and relax. These old crusty members like to beat up new guys and run them off if you disagree with them. A little advice: Be civil in your disagreements and use lower case letters except for beginning sentences and proper nouns, etc., and you you won't upset BC Zoom so much.
He's a grumpy little dude sometimes.
Deadly Sushi survived the gauntlet and we love him now.
So you can too. Just be cool and argue your point calmly. This is a pretty civil bunch overall, except for that Zoom character. I think he is Junkmans bastard son, so he gets it honestly. Just don't post any links for him to click....that releases his inner bitch. And you don't wanna see that! :nosee:
Welcome to FF Paul Webster. Calm down and relax. These old crusty members like to beat up new guys and run them off if you disagree with them. A little advice: Be civil in your disagreements and use lower case letters except for beginning sentences and proper nouns, etc., and you you won't upset BC Zoom so much.
He's a grumpy little dude sometimes. Deadly Sushi survived the gauntlet and we love him now.
So you can too. Just be cool and argue your point calmly. This is a pretty civil bunch overall, except for that Zoom character. I think he is Junkmans bastard son, so he gets it honestly. Just don't post any links for him to click....that releases his inner bitch. And you don't wanna see that! :nosee:paul webster
Banned
thanks for the advice, I am very lucky not to be in a closed room with these guys they are a tough group, I hope they dont lynch me here for giving a different side......Wow! This is the most excitement FF has seen in a while! I think I'll give Paul some rep points for raising the dead.
Welcome to FF Paul Webster. Calm down and relax. These old crusty members like to beat up new guys and run them off if you disagree with them. A little advice: Be civil in your disagreements and use lower case letters except for beginning sentences and proper nouns, etc., and you you won't upset BC Zoom so much.
Deadly Sushi survived the gauntlet and we love him now.
mak2
Active member
Hey Paul me and Shushi whupped up on you very early on (page 1 or 2) Sorry all these other guys piled on. You are just so worng it was really not worth all this typeing, which is a struggle for me. but thanks for the post and please hang around. Maybe you can beat up on us sometime.
REDDOGTWO
Unemployed Veg. Peddler
Getting back off the subject to the first whites stealing the land from the Native Americans (politically correct terminology), this was done legally as the Native Americans believed that the land was not owned by any one, the white man just came here and showed them the error of their ways, that the land was subject to ownership.
Anytime that the earlier Americans did purchase land from the Native population, merely a an exchange for them to leave the land, as there were very few recording offices back then, they were usually well compensated in the exchange with beads, trinkets and blankets.
The Native Americans did not have any immigration laws. Therefore no laws were broken when the white man came here. The white man had no immigration laws when they first came here either, so that the ones that came here before such enactment of said laws were therefore here legally.
We now jump ahead a couple of hundred years and we find people that enter this country without the proper legal authorization, abuse our system of laws, take advantage of our health system, take advantage of our of our entitlement programs and use our school systems to get a free education.
We also now have something called liberals who feel that just because someone broke the law in this country and we send them home that we can trust them not to come back for the time that we tell them. They broke the law the first time, what would they obey the second, third or fourth time?
Anytime that the earlier Americans did purchase land from the Native population, merely a an exchange for them to leave the land, as there were very few recording offices back then, they were usually well compensated in the exchange with beads, trinkets and blankets.
The Native Americans did not have any immigration laws. Therefore no laws were broken when the white man came here. The white man had no immigration laws when they first came here either, so that the ones that came here before such enactment of said laws were therefore here legally.
We now jump ahead a couple of hundred years and we find people that enter this country without the proper legal authorization, abuse our system of laws, take advantage of our health system, take advantage of our of our entitlement programs and use our school systems to get a free education.
We also now have something called liberals who feel that just because someone broke the law in this country and we send them home that we can trust them not to come back for the time that we tell them. They broke the law the first time, what would they obey the second, third or fourth time?
Cityboy
Banned
Other than the booty pics, you pervs don't get this excited very often.
mak2
Active member
As you state, the ban is not effective. It is worthless. I am not placing all the immigrants into one bucket. I am merely arguing for enforcing the existing laws and enacting whatever effective laws it takes to eliminate all illegal immigrants.
What's the different side? We think you believe illegals are really legal.
So, why? A legal reason please.
paul webster
Banned
I am NOT WRONG, THEY HAVE RIGHTS IF THEY ARE HERE, ILLEGAL OR NOT, ON OUR SOIL, THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION SAYS SO, AND I WILL FIGHT FOR THAT UNTIL THE DAY I DIE, NO MATTER IF YOUR NAME IS, CHARLES MANSON, DEFFREY DAHMER, GARY GILMORE, TED BUNDY, OR THE GREEN RIVER KILLER, OR JUST A NOBODY WHO WAS TRAFFICKED IN FOR ILLEGAL PURPOSES BY SOME " AMERICAN " COYOTE FOR THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR, BECAUSE WITH OUT DUE PROCESS WE HAVE A ANACHARY.......
Cityboy
Banned
SO!
Hey, knock that off. This silly assed thread has got more posts than my Satan
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Cityboy
Banned
mak2
Active member
Hey, knock that off. This silly assed thread has got more posts than my SatanCatholic thread.<<<<<<<<Ain't that a cool smiley?
REDDOGTWO
Unemployed Veg. Peddler
Where does it say in the constitution that the rights given to us by in and the Bill of Rights apply to all, including people that are here illegally. I do believe that our President is arguing this same point with others regarding a little jail that we have on an off shore island.
I want to know as well, because I hear this argument all the time.
And lay off the caps Paul Webster?
fogtender
Now a Published Author
I went though and read your current posts on this and have a real issue with your thought process.
If all illegals were exported tomorrow, yes, it would cause some hardships, mostly for those that use them for cheap labor. They would have to adjust or go out of business, which means raise their pay until someone wants to work for them. Sure the costs of the items may go up, but for what we are paying in taxes to support illegals will balance out in the long run.
There will be legal imigrants coming here and they are welcome, that can fill the void if the doors are fixed, that isn't a free swinging door with broken hinges like we have now.
I live in Alaska, you would think that it wouldn't affect me here. It does, when I was a kid you could do cannery work (which I did and hated it), not much of it now for our kids unless they speak Spanish. I go into Lowe's Hardware in Fairbanks and all the signs are in English/Spanish.... Why in the world should we have to have spanish here? I could see one of the local Alaskan native languages maybe, but not from a language spoken in a different country...
Your view that it is ok to have them here is really hard to grasp. Is it because you have a company and are raping the workers with low pay and you don't want to spend more money and bring up their lifestyle when you can keep it for yourself? Are you from South of the Boarder or some other country illegally and want to bring your family here too and by screaming "The inhumanity" people will change their minds (does seem to be working though)?
Anyway, a criminal is just that, someone who broke the Laws of the United States of America, not Mexico. Try sneaking accross Mexico's Southern Boarder and you stand a good chance of getting shot or rotting in a jail cell.
Your argument of "We stole this from the Indians" is mute, what happened before I got here I can't help, my parents, grandparents and so forth were legal imigrants, Cherokee and Blackfoot... so what. Seems that some folks want to pass the guilt on forever. We did treat the American Indians badly in the past, and now they opened Casinos and are raping the white folk back... fair trade off, and they are doing it legally to boot.
Nope, I would have no problems in jailiing anyone who knowingly hires an illegal and those that came here illegally. If you can check your bank balance on a secure line by internet, then establishing a legal resident verses an illegal resident should take not more than a few moments time.
The crap of "Privacy" is and has been a joke, the IRS knows more about you than you do. When your SSN number shows up in Texas when you live in Ohio, they know that before that person who stole it gets their first paycheck....especially when your SSN account recieves two imcome tax payments for the same pay period. Unless of course you have a night job in Dallas and work days in Cleveland and commute daily.
Just my point of view...
paul webster
Banned
I do believe in America, and if you dont believe in US constitution, what do you believe in, ??? this troll also wrestled at 165 in college @ UND, and now is still in shape a 188 and 5 "10, Sorry about the caps way bomb...
Paul, can you answer?
fogtender
Now a Published Author
Your waffling.... Charles Manson, Dahmer, Gilmore etc, are scum, but they are local "American" born scum and should be treated accordling, with due process of law...
Illegal's are what we are talking about, and they do not have have "Constitutional" rights (that is a term that the Liberal Left has come up with), as a matter of fact, in most Countries, they are called spies, and still in some of those Countries, they are still shot after a quick trial after lunch.
Constitutional rights are for American citizens period. Why do you think we have Embassies of other countries here? To take care of their people when they have issues here (as well as PR back home), I.E, thrown in jail, lost passport etc.
Even the "Coyotes" didn't kidnap anyone, the illegals paid for their services, no matter how cruel they are.
If I were to travel to Mexico, I will abide by all their laws, that includes imigration, which is very strict, even more so than here.
The farther you get trying to prove your baseless point, the more panic seems to set in and it clearly shows, which is normal for someone that knows they don't have a leg to stand on....
fogtender
Now a Published Author
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Article II
Section 1
5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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This is a really neat thing to read, nowhere does it say that people that come here illegally are allowed the same rights as it's citizens.
Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5. is the definition of what an American citizen is, one that was born here or here at the time of the Adoption of the Constitution. It wasn't until later that the issue of having people coming here apply for citizenship was established.
Illegals were and are just that, Illegals and they have no constitutional rights, period....
Article II
Section 1
5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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This is a really neat thing to read, nowhere does it say that people that come here illegally are allowed the same rights as it's citizens.
Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5. is the definition of what an American citizen is, one that was born here or here at the time of the Adoption of the Constitution. It wasn't until later that the issue of having people coming here apply for citizenship was established.
Illegals were and are just that, Illegals and they have no constitutional rights, period....
paul webster
Banned
You are wrong sir, the coyotes do kidnap people, and bring them here and sell them, if you do not believe me, call the Woburn, Mass detective division and ask them, because I have dealt with this issue in person, there, and in Mexico city, in Sau Paulo Brasil, Governadoe Valadares, Tio Flatoni, Bixohna, and several othe places, including, Columbia, Peru, and Central America, I have been toe to toe with the coyotes in person in Boston, and physically fought, they are rutheless and cutthroat, nothing short of savages, but Americans, and they to have rights, but you would have to hold me in contempt to get me to defend one, but I would, because everyone has that right if they are here..... the problem is way deeper than you guys can imagine and if I could scan my passport and post it for you all I would....... this is some what personal for me, I dont want to explode so good night to you all.........
So, there's twenty million of these? 2 million? 200,000? 20,000? 2,000? 200?
And tell me, the coyotes simply go down and steal people? And then smuggle stolen people across the border? And then somehow sell them to somebody that has the ability to isolate them from escaping? Sheesh, people escape from max prisons.
Whatever reason you keep this up for, I have no clue, but your claims run hollow, and are not very believable.
fogtender
Now a Published Author
Having been a police officer in my youth, I will say that being an issue is a possibility, but I would say less than a percent of one percent is "Maybe" fact. There are too many on the other side of the Boarder willing to pay for their services to get here.
How stupid do you think a Coyote would have to be to turn down a paying customer for one that doesn't want to go at all....
I can see where the illegal would claim to have been kidnapped when they get caught, same as when a crook gets caught with the goods, he was framed... it's always someone elses fault!
Nothing puts the "Ladies" of the evening out of business quicker than having a college next door... with more than willing participants doing the same trade for free...
You simply cannot "kidnap" a willing participant, what happens "After" they get here is totally different.
You appear to want use obscure cases that are certainly not representative of the majority of the issue. While, I have no doubt that there are human trafficers, they are certainly not representative of the majority of illegal immigration cases.
I am also sure that the people on this board are compassionate and would not have a problem with a compassionate immigration policy for the victims of human trafficing as long as it was applied with fairness in perspective to the other legal immigrants.
I am also sure that the people on this board are in favor of strict penalties for human trafficers and those that profit from the human trafficing.
All we are asking for is that the laws be enforced and not ignored. We want the system fixed.
REDDOGTWO
Unemployed Veg. Peddler
You are just driving by the wrong farm fields, we till, plant, weed, pick, wash, sort and sell all of our vegetables without the benefit of any undocumented workers. Come to think of it, we hardly have any workers at all. Even if we could, have not even tried, to get cheap labor, we would not hire it.
I would welcome the fact, that the people that are here illegally would get sent home, that way I could get a better price for my vegetables and would be on a even keel with the scumbags that hire these folks.
As an American citizen, I have the right to earn an honest living without the interference of a bunch of people who cannot even speak English and are here without the proper entry into this country.