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WHAT IF 20 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS VACATED AMERICA?

Thank you Mr California :applause: :applause: :applause: ever topic you touched on is true..... the government has the mentality of a fence post,, if you dont believe me, just call I.C.E ( immigration and customs enforcement ) and go through the prompts :toilet: and try to report ANY illegal activity by a illegal alien, you will finally get a college girl on the line who says she will take the report and someone will investigate it in 30-90 days, I have done this report system when I was threatened by a illegal, its a joke, I went to the ICE office in Bloomington, MN, and asked to see a officer, they said I needed to go online and make a appointment, 4-6 weeks, I demanded to speak to someone, finally after serious convincing I was granted access, but the officer told me I shoud get restraining order....... typical government.... I have been on both sides, I too feel that something has to be done, but at what cost... just my 2 cents
 
I am afraid that some of you are really not to well informed on immigration, this is the law, they can not come back if they leave, if they enter illegally, they have 90 days to exit, at which point they can go to the U.S counsul in there country and apply, and must get a waiver because they were already here, if they are caught in some other form of illegal activity, a felony only, they will be deported and will receive a 10 ( TEN YEAR BAN ) form our country.... either way if here longer than 90 days illegally its a 10 year ban..........
 
paul webster said:
The topic has a wider scope than I think I can get into with you guys, but it has been amusing, thats why this is America, land of opportunity, and risk...............
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WTH, you are asking for a fight here. This slaps at us not being educated enough...................here is the slapdown, here illegal, go frigging home, walk ride or be taken, you wont want to come back when you see the prison you will be housed in................remember hard labor, tents, latrenes.
 
California said:
Paul, welcome to the wild side of FF. There's more here than just Snowcats.:YesNo:

Folks, look around. I'm not going to defend illegal activity, that's indefensible. But there's a reason why government isn't moving to round up and deport the aliens. Our economy would collapse. No more vegetables. No more fruit. No more lodging industry. Gone. Nobody will do those jobs. Likewise roofing, cement, and the entire less-skilled half of the construction industry. Gone. I think some of you look at an alien and think leech but that's not the reality. The reality is that native born Americans won't do field work or make other peoples beds.

Bush knows this. That's why he tries to talk a hard line for political reasons while doing nothing to the employers, which would be the logical point to attack the problem. Different politicians may promise to 'get tough', to stay a jump ahead of the talk radio patriots. It's not going to happen. I haven't paid much attention to the amnesty proposals that recently fell apart, but I don't think we will see a compromise soon. I predict the status quo, ie continuing illegal immigration to fill needed jobs and a 'don't ask don't tell' position by the federal government, will continue indefinitely. There's no alternative.
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Sure there is, the millions on welfare cause they can not find work, or who can work but dont due to crack head doctors giving out get out of work and go on SSI all day. While rounding up the illegals, lets round up those that CAN work and prove it everyday by sitting, standing or walking to do whatever they do. If you can physically work, and no YOUR doctor dont count, then you will work or the money stops.................TODAY!

and for the record, I am not to good to do anything I can! Fortunately I am working and making a great living, but guess what folks............................................................................drum roll please.........................................I COULD BE TOTALLY disabled, on SSI and legal. See I have a dibilitating nerve disorder that will get me SSI anytime I want it....................but I CHOOSE to do better for me, my family and my life. Yes there are millions that can work but dont due to shithead doctors who give them excuses.
 
paul webster said:
I am afraid that some of you are really not to well informed on immigration, this is the law, they can not come back if they leave, if they enter illegally, they have 90 days to exit, at which point they can go to the U.S counsul in there country and apply, and must get a waiver because they were already here, if they are caught in some other form of illegal activity, a felony only, they will be deported and will receive a 10 ( TEN YEAR BAN ) form our country.... either way if here longer than 90 days illegally its a 10 year ban..........
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they are illegal, which means they dont give a flying crap about our laws...........what part of this dont you get............oh and you could use a spell checker some too
 
If they enter OUR country under there own free will without inspection, they should be deported..... but not under there own free will is a different story.......and law, which we have its called a T visa which is not secret anymore.....its a difficult subject at best
 
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What percentage of those in this country illegally were abducted and brought into this country against their will, not those that were simply misguided on the intentions of those that brought them in?
 
Paul Webster, there is reality and then there is law enforcement.
You are mixing the two, and possibly a tequila drink. :rolleyes:
Anyhow, no matter what you say, after the presidental election, we will be shipping back illegals, removing any money or freebies they are currently getting and hopefully removing the 'legal' status of their children born here (as legal citizens) as well.
You can pout and complain. Be my guest. They do NOT deserve to be in this country. They knew it. They took the risk.
Dont base an argument on what would happen if the illegals left. America will adjust and we will spend our money on OUR citizens.

Now, we just have to keep the hot chicks in the US. :thumb:
 
Well, at least a guy from chicago has a great sense of humor, it doesnt matter how many were brought in against there will, if it was only one, then that persons life has meaning, the constitution says so, its under the immigration reform act that was passed by congress and signed by a guy called the president, I think his name might have been something like Kennedy or Johnson.........and I believe that if you didnt vote for these guys then just maybe one of your " legal relatives did " and that I would bet on...... just my 2 cents
 
Seems to me that as the son of a LEGAL immigrant I have a slightly different perspective than some people. I am all in favor of immigration, as long as it is legal immigration. Do what my dad did. Go through Ellis Island (or one of the other legal entry points), put your name in the book, learn to speak English, assimilate into our culture, bring a skill that is needed, work to be a productive citizen, join our armed forces, take citizenship tests. Earn your way into the nation. . . just like PBinWA . . . just like my dad.

The vast majority of the current illegal immigrants came here of their own free will. The vast majority of them choose to live here while knowingly violating our laws. They live in fear of being caught by immigration and they adapt to live here anyway. Essentially they are flagrant violators of our laws. How have they earned the right to live here? How have they earned the right to send their children to school here? How have they earned the right to be protected by our legal system, or cared for by welfare system?
 
paul webster said:
Can't believe there are people who actually believe all that you have posted, show just how stupid some americans are, you post all the bad they cause, why dont you list the good also and see how the scales of justice weigh out.................just a thought
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OK Paul since you brought it up, what are the great things that the illegals are doing?
 
paul webster said:
O.K. you must be either really ignorant or not informed... answer the following, where were your grandparents from ? and there parents ? then I will give you somethings to think about, or a scenario or two, or if you read my bio you will understand, remember there are two sides of every coin.......
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Grandparents are from Alabama and South Carolina. Great Grand Parents, the same location.

We are talking about illegal aliens, not those that obey the law and migrate to this country through the established process.
 
Just to add fuel to the fire and show just how broken the system is. Here is an example I saw play over and over again in Immigration court:

Judge: Mr Sanchez, you've been in the country how long?
MS: 7 years
Judge: Do you have a lawyer with you today?
MS: No
Judge: Do you understand why you are here today?
MS: Si
Judge: Do you know that there are several public aid attorneys that can assist you?
MS: No
Judge: I'm going to give you a list of attorneys to contact that are offer their services for free and I want you to talk to one of them.
MS: Okay.
Judge: We will re-schedule your court case for 90 days from now. Please go talk to one of these free attorneys.
MS: Thank you.

Rinse and Repeat at the rate of probably 3-4 times an hour. Each time the illegal immigrant is sent away and politely asked to return in 3 months on their own free will. No attempt is made to ask the immigrant if they are truly guilty of entering the country illegally or anything that could incriminate them. I saw one guy from Eastern Europe that was ordered to leave but he had a lawyer and a long rap sheet. Everyone else was politely sent off to return again on their own free will. I wonder how many really do return and how many just move.

The system is broken. Failure to correct the system can not be justified in a moral and fair society. Tolerating acceptance of criminal activity sets a dangerous precedent for the future of this country. It may be too late to turn the clock back but I'm all for trying to correct what is wrong.
 
A whole lot of Mexicans down here feel entitled to the USA, have no intention of assimilating and love waving Mexican flags at their little get togethers. In their mind the USA was stolen from them and they're here to get it back.
The next few years should be interesting.
 
Discussion a few months ago was on how hard the US is on illegal immigrants. Ever try to immigrate to Mexico? Cananda? England? Even Down Under?
Example...
An American citizen married a Canandian citizen. The wife (Canadian) lived and worked in the US for 30 years. She has dual citizenship as she is married to an American. Upon retirement (with a good retirement package) they decided to move to Cananda.
Guess what.
They wouldn't let him stay.
They moved to Washington instead.
Why wouldn't they let him stay?
He hadn't paid into the Canadian tax system and wasn't going to as he was retired.
Hear anyone b!7ch about Canadian laws? Of course not. Only the 'big, bad' US is at fault.
I'm sick of all the crying and whining. Really.............................
I could go on but I need a blood pressure break.:argueing:
 
They fill the minimun wage jobs that us as American will not do... look at Mcdonalds next time you ordera BIG MAC... or any CONSTRUCTION SITE !!! I dont remember the price of homes going down, or a builder telling me he would give me a better price because he used undocumented labor, they charge more and pocket the difference,they also pay a big portion of our social security, I might ad also that alot of them use false social security cards and will never get any of the money, so it becomes surplus... I dont remember seeing any of you guys picking fruit or vegetables in our farm fields !!!! So what do all you legal eagles have to say about US AS AMERICANS BEING TWO SIDED AND SAYING , KICK ALL OFTHEM OUT, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE TO PAY MORE AT MCDONALDS,BURGER KIBG, OR TO BUY A NEW HOME, OR GROCERIES AT THE LOCAL CUB FOODS YOU WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT TUNE, YOU WILL BITCH TO NO END !!!! I GUARANTEE IT........ JUST A THOUGHT
 
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Speak for yourself, I have no problem paying my way!
Get over yourself with the "jobs Americans won't do" BS, more
democRat talking points. I guarantee the jobs will get done by
American citizens, just like they were before the invasion.
As far as seeing "you guys" picking fruit, when was the last time
you looked? :shitHitFan::poke:
 
Paul,

You've asked everyone else, so I want to ask you. Where are you from? Your parents? Their parents?
Are (were) you an attorney in the USA, Mexico, Brazil or another country? Were you an immigration attorney?
 
paul webster said:
I am afraid that some of you are really not to well informed on immigration, this is the law, they can not come back if they leave, if they enter illegally, they have 90 days to exit, at which point they can go to the U.S counsul in there country and apply, and must get a waiver because they were already here, if they are caught in some other form of illegal activity, a felony only, they will be deported and will receive a 10 ( TEN YEAR BAN ) form our country.... either way if here longer than 90 days illegally its a 10 year ban..........
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This 10 year ban is not very effective. An illegal alien was arrested in Chandler, Arizona, a few days ago. DNA proved he is the "Chandler Rapist" who has terrorized the area for about a year and a half. He has been deported twice in the last eight or so years for drug-related offenses.
 
RedRocker said:
Speak for yourself, I have no problem paying my way!
Get over yourself with the "jobs Americans won't do" BS, more
democRat talking points. I guarantee the jobs will get done by
American citizens, just like they were before the invasion.
As far as seeing "you guys" picking fruit, when was the last time
you looked? :shitHitFan::poke:
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I looked at Mcdonalds yesterday, and I looked at the fieds last august, when I was in Texas, and the fields in South Dakota in november when I was pheasant hunting, sure was alot of them helping in the corn fields with the combines !!!!
 
ghautz said:
This 10 year ban is not very effective. An illegal alien was arrested in Chandler, Arizona, a few days ago. DNA proved he is the "Chandler Rapist" who has terrorized the area for about a year and a half. He has been deported twice in the last eight or so years for drug-related offenses.
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I am not saying it is effective, the 10 yr ban, I am saying you are taking a isolated case, worse case scenario, and stapling ALL the immigrants into 1 bucket, you cant do that, its not possible... there are varibles........
 
paul webster said:
I looked at Mcdonalds yesterday, and I looked at the fieds last august, when I was in Texas, and the fields in South Dakota in november when I was pheasant hunting, sure was alot of them helping in the corn fields with the combines !!!!
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Just curious, but do you know how to tell the difference between the 'illegals' and those who happen to be citizens or those legally here with a 'work visa' while you are making your judgements? Seems like you are presuming that all people of Spanish descent are illegal and are part of the underground economy.
 
And while we are on the subject, what do you experts think should be done to the business who hires the illegal immigrants and look the other way because they can pay them less money than the law stipulates.......and take a job away from a U.S. citizen who they would by law have to pay more and pay the benefits of health care and Social security !!!!
 
Mr. Webster sent me a private message blasted one of my posts and accusing my ancestors of illegal entry into the U.S. .

My Reply to him.

All caps denotes yelling, are you yelling at me? What does my truck have to do with this?

You are making a big assumption. When my ancestors came from England, what makes you think that they did not process through Ellis Island? They may or may not have. They may have came through at a point in our country's history where there were not any immigration laws. The point is Paul, that there are immigration laws now and they should be obeyed. I'll tell you what. I like your place. It is nicer than my house. How about I come live with you. I will eat your food, drink your beer, use your hot water and electricity. I will take out your trash and clean your toilet because I know you don't like to do that. I know that would be trespassing, but you are benefitting from me being there so it is OK.
 
Tractors4u said:
Mr. Webster sent me a private message blasted one of my posts and accusing my ancestors of illegal entry into the U.S. .

My Reply to him.

All caps denotes yelling, are you yelling at me? What does my truck have to do with this?

You are making a big assumption. When my ancestors came from England, what makes you think that they did not process through Ellis Island? They may or may not have. They may have came through at a point in our country's history where there were not any immigration laws. The point is Paul, that there are immigration laws now and they should be obeyed. I'll tell you what. I like your place. It is nicer than my house. How about I come live with you. I will eat your food, drink your beer, use your hot water and electricity. I will take out your trash and clean your toilet because I know you don't like to do that. I know that would be trespassing, but you are benefitting from me being there so it is OK.
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Very well said Brent! :applause: :respect:
 
My only saving grace to all you sharp as a cue ball legal minds is this: I agree with all of you, you are all right and I must be wrong, hell lets just do this, lets start kickin them out, lets see, who should go first, I will I am a US citizen, but what the hell, my ancestors are of german history, so I must be illegal at some point in time.. So then letS go with the Italians, they all break the law, right, they must, they are all in the MOB, but LETS not take it on a Case by case basis that would be to easy, if they are from there they must be here illegally and must go, same as the Japanese, they must be Yakuza, no exceptions, then the Vietnamese, Chinese, koreans, All germans must be Nazis, and hell if there not remember we are making NO exceptionsn here, along with the POlish, greeks and ALL somalis and african people, doesnt matter that we brought them all here as slaves, kick them OUT, and finally the AMERICAN INDIANS, hmmm, what will we do with them, they must be Illegal, we STOLE THIS COUNTRY FROM THEM, SO THEY ARE NOW HERE ILLEGALLY,LETS SEND THEM TO, MEXICO, ITS HOT THERE........ I WISH I COULD ARGURE WITH SOME OF YOU IN A COURT OF LAW, IT WOULD BE FUNNY TO SEE A JUDGE TELL YOU YOU ARE IN CONTEMPT OR OVER RULED......
 
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