Suzuki mini truck on tracks

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I probably should have mentioned they work really good in deep snow
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Hi all, The last trip to the cabin, on the way down I started to get a little hot where I had to stop and add water a couple of times.
What I found at home is the bottom of the upper radiator hose had a hole in it. Not sure how it happened, the hose was not rotted and it was cut through the string reinforcement. I don't know how it could have got cut by abrasion where the cut was located. I put a new hose on it and when I tested it I could see the weep hole on the water pump weeping a little. I ordered a water pump and timing belt kit figuring that while I am in there I should change the belt too. It showed up yesterday so I put it on today. Tomorrow I will fill it with water and test my work, then button it up and take it back to the Mountain as I have decided to just leave the tracks on it fr summer use. The terrain there is very steep with loose dirt. If I put tires on it I'm not sure it will climb the hills. The whole reason to have it up there is to be able to drive around on the property. If I have to stay on the roads it defeats the purpose. So that being said I will soon order a set of tracks for the Van and get it ready for winter.
 

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Hi all, The last trip to the cabin, on the way down I started to get a little hot where I had to stop and add water a couple of times.
What I found at home is the bottom of the upper radiator hose had a hole in it. Not sure how it happened, the hose was not rotted and it was cut through the string reinforcement. I don't know how it could have got cut by abrasion where the cut was located. I put a new hose on it and when I tested it I could see the weep hole on the water pump weeping a little. I ordered a water pump and timing belt kit figuring that while I am in there I should change the belt too. It showed up yesterday so I put it on today. Tomorrow I will fill it with water and test my work, then button it up and take it back to the Mountain as I have decided to just leave the tracks on it fr summer use. The terrain there is very steep with loose dirt. If I put tires on it I'm not sure it will climb the hills. The whole reason to have it up there is to be able to drive around on the property. If I have to stay on the roads it defeats the purpose. So that being said I will soon order a set of tracks for the Van and get it ready for winter.

Today I buttoned up the timing belt/ water pump installation added water, ran it, burped the system. the temperature is stable and no leaks. Tomorrow I am going to pull it off of the trailer and give it a good long test, then add coolant and go to the mountain.
 

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Today I pulled it off of the trailer. Then took it for a ride around the property a good long while, loading it hard. It is about 80 degrees today which is a lot warmer than the winter at the mountain and about as hot as it gets there in the summer. Tomorrow I will drain the water and add coolant, then put the bumper and radiator cover back on, clean it up and put it back on the trailer. Next week I am going back to the work cabin and can report how it does on the mountain. I am getting ready to order a new set of tracks for the van.
I settled on Mattracks EZ UTV for up to 3500#, the van loaded with people and luggage will be around 2000#. The Mattracks have a little larger foot print than the Compulast tracks so they should do well. $4,100.00 plus shipping with no adapters or anti rotation. They wanted $1500.00 for the brackets and spacers, its a weekend in the shop making them and mine on the Suzuki are much stronger than the store bought. 16 weeks lead time.
I plan to go ahead and change the water pump, hoses and timing belt on the van when I put the tracks on to get ahead of any maintenance that could cause me problems in the snow later.
So far I am very happy with the performance of the Suzuki. If I had done the water pump and hoses when I got it I wound not have had any issues at all.
 

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Seem you'll do better with Matts than the Camos pods. I always wanted to run some but never had the opportunity..
 

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Seem you'll do better with Matts than the Camos pods. I always wanted to run some but never had the opportunity..

The Camso pods were a trade deal where I didn't have to buy them, so far I have nothing bad to say about them. The Suzuki went everywhere I needed to go with them without any problems at all. I don't see any obvious ware happening to anything. I am an amateur compared to you guys that work them for a living.
I am going with the Mattracks because they are a little cheaper and the SQ. inches are a little more, thats it. I use them for cabin access in the winter and the Suzuki will be used in the summer. They both may see 75 to 100 miles each year, so they should last for a while. I don't know the speed at which you groom at but most of the time I am running about 10 mph on narrow, steep with switchbacks, snow covered mountain road that if your lucky a skid steer hasn't roughed everything up real good for you. Its about 5 miles off grid. When I get the Mattracks and put them on I will post it.
 

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Finally, got it all buttoned up, put the bumper and radiator cover on. While I was there I did some other maintenance as I noticed the front tracks were a little toe out so made that adjustment, also when braking up a steep hill from flat the passenger side rubbed the body a little so I made that adjustment. All the work was tested then I cleaned it up. Next week I am going back to the mountain with it. The week after I will do the lift kit then a water pump, timing belt and hoses the van. Might as well head the problems off up front.
 

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Check your articulation angles on the tracks, my first set of camoplast tracks would hit when I would come into a steep incline (aka blowing into a plow bank to scare the bejesus outta my passengers;))
 

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Just ordered a new set of Mattracks EZ UTV 3500# tracks for the Van. $4123.00 plus shipping. 50% deposit 12 week delivery time. Now I have all of the components, while I'm waiting it will give me some time to get the lift kit, Timing belt and water pump installed before they show up. The MAXIMS would have been nice but they are almost double the cost of the UTV tracks at over $7,000.00 for less than 600 sq. more track. The Camso tracks on the Suzuki are about 100 SQ. inches smaller than the EZ UTV tracks and they worked good on the Suzuki so the UTV tracks should be good on the Van.
 

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Made it to the cabin today, took a few minutes to play with the Suzuki a little. I will do some more testing later in the week. I have a COOT and it will not do this. So far so good, you can stop on this angle in loose dirt and take off again you're not going to do that on tires.
 

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The first picture is looking up a rutted up slightly grown over old skid steer track up the mountain, the second looking down. It is about a 30 degree hill with very loose dirt. I didn't go up that far but it looks like a long way down. No getting a run at it, just goes up. Next I will start the lift kit, water pump, timing belt, hoses etc. on the van while waiting on tracks. Now that summer is coming in I can only get a couple hours on it each day before it gets hot and takes the fun out of it.
 

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I know most manufacturers call there pods "all season" but its pretty hard on them. I personally wouldn't and it sure is a rough ride on the operators.
 

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The terrain never lets you exceed about 10 mph. With tires I would have to stay on the road, I can do that in my pickup truck. the idea is to access where I want to access. The capabilities of it allow me to go almost anywhere on the mountain. I have 80 acres and haven't seen all of it yet. There are places you're not going in anything up there, even difficult on foot. The plan is if there are things in the way that can damage the tracks or the truck, just go around, move it or cut it out of the way. After I have established trails to the areas I want to visit, it should be boring. There is a very good spot I found while hiking for long distance target practice but it is a difficult hike out having to carry everything. I grew up in Michigan ( flat as a pancake ) not so much here. if it rains on the mountain it gets very muddy. I don't hot rod it there, just slow and steady, I haven't had any issues while driving it around where the tracks or the truck were being abused or damaged in any way. I don't think you want to be doing 30 mph. and hit a bowling ball sized rock as that would damage something. Its not in distructable so going slow and using some common sense, I think they will work out just fine. The truck is now for summer use and emergency winter use. It will stay at the cabin full time from now on.
 

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Yesterday I thought about getting a little ahead on the van so I called the salesman at Matttracks that took my order for the hole pattern in the drive sprocket so I could get the wheel adapters before the tracks showed up. I was shocked to learn that the sales team could not answer that simple question or get me to someone that could?? Later to receive an email instructing me to call Polaris because the hole pattern is the same as Polaris. Now is this lazy, incompetent or are they giving me a hard time because I didn't buy there $600.00 adapters that I can get on Ebay for $100.00 American made. Or there anti rotation brackets for $900.00 that I plan to make in the shop. So far I am not impressed with the customer service and I don't even have them yet.
 

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Let me know if you need any thing from Mattracks I’ve got a friend that works there and would be concerned to hear of your experience!
 

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Let me know if you need any thing from Mattracks I’ve got a friend that works there and would be concerned to hear of your experience!

Thanks, there sales team is quick to point out the shortcomings of the competitors tracks but do not know there own product specifications or feel compelled to find out for you. I was able to get to the service department through the receptionist and they had the answer. 4 on 156 mm. Maybe its just a lazy sales guy or?? but it wasn't a difficult request or hard to find out, I felt he just wasn't willing to take the time to get the answer.
 

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Yup sorry if you needed Bolt patterns I could have expelled that info! Suzuki Minis bolt is 4/156mm same as Arctic Cat ATVs, Hondas Minis are 4/110mm same as Polaris and Honda ATV, but yes they should know that top of mind
 

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Yup sorry if you needed Bolt patterns I could have expelled that info! Suzuki Minis bolt is 4/156mm same as Arctic Cat ATVs, Hondas Minis are 4/110mm same as Polaris and Honda ATV, but yes they should know that top of mind

The van is 4X144.3
 

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This morning I ordered my adapters from Ebay I had to buy 2 sets of 2 making the total with tax $280.00. The last set bought were $135.00 but that is all I could find, but still 1/2 of the $600.00 set from Mattracks. They are USA made and are Billet so they should work just fine. There were plenty with 115 pattern cheaper and have read where they would work as the difference is 7 mm. But if the right ones are available I thought it would be better not side loading the studs even a couple MM. I am headed back to the work cabin tomorrow to install a electrical pannel and get the wiring terminated so I am not working off of extension cords. While I am there I plan to cut a trail with the Suzuki and see if I can find all of my property lines. I will take some pictures as I go.
 
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