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2016: Obama's America
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Catavenger
New member
I want to see it.
tiredretired
The Old Salt
No. Sadly, many Americans still cling to the Democratic Party of their parents and grandparents. That party is gone now. Replaced by something nothing less than an abomination.
Mama
New member
Just got home from seeing this. It was really good. For anyone who hasn't seen it, it walks you through his life so you can understand why he is like he is and why he really isn't what most people who voted for him thought he was. If...and that's a BIG if....any liberals go to see it, they will probably pass it off as lies but for someone sitting on the fence, I think it stands a good chance of swaying their vote.
CityGirl
Silver Member
and the flipside of that is that many Americans still cling to the Republican party of their parents and grandparents and even the party as it was when they were younger. That party is gone now too and replaced by something nothing less than an abomination.
There was once a time when a Republican present dared to say
Ya wouldn't see this president supporting free trade treaties.
Kane
New member
Ah, yes. Whatever became of Ross Perot? All that remains of his legacy is that loud sucking sound.
Danang Sailor
nullius in verba
He's been dead for one hundred and eleven years. The world has changed a lot in that time, and none of us can say just
what his viewpoint would be now. However, if forced to guess, I'd say you're probably correct,and the views expressed
in that quote, though removed from context, do coincide with mine - to a point. Free and unfettered trade is good for
everyone, but it must be truly free; if a foreign government subsidizes its businesses to the point where unfair marketplace
advantage occurs, the trade may be free but it is certainly not unfettered. How is this to be addressed?
If protectionist actions are taken, it tends to reinforce the problem, while no action at all leads to unfortunate
consequences here. The best solution for the long term is political in nature, removing the foreign government's
subsidies, but it is hard to achieve; the short term solution involves embargoing our own exports to the offending
country, but that carries the risk of losing a market completely.
The proper solution is for all governments to leave business alone, taking no action to subsidize, protect, or embargo in
any way: genuine free enterprise. The marketplace will then weed out, or at least minimize the impact from, the cheapest
goods and reward those whose goods are superior. This does not mean that shoddy, low cost goods will disappear, for there
are always those to whom price is the ultimate deciding factor and quality be damned, but these deserve the products they
get. In a free and unfettered market these things will always balance out.
And that would please Mr. Harrison, I do believe.
Kane
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I dunno, maybe the flick is a waste of celluloid.
See, American voters possessing an once due diligence have already peeked into Hussien's background, understand his early years' indoctrination and can connect the dots to his present day ideology. And it's not just a 'phase' that Obama went thru, it has been throughout his entire childhood, adolescent and adult life. Aside from his Marxist parents and step-parents, his radical commie mentors, collectivist preachers, unrepentant terrorist neighbors and far-left friends, Obama does not seem to have experienced the green grass of America for any extended period of time in his life.
And the liberals know this too. It is impossible for any semi-cognizant person not to see the anti-colonialist, anti-white, anti-American influences.
But when the generic liberal is confronted with the mere suggestion that Obama's background may just a wee bit atypical, we hear crickets. No rebuttal. No denial. No condemnation as right wing propaganda and lies. Just utter disbelief and silence. Crickets.
Or the usual deflection. Happens here on FF all the time.
So maybe 2016 is a waste of effort. The people that know, already know. Dinesh D'Souza, by his cinematic efforts, might possibly educate a handful of the ignorant, but he simply cannot fix the unwilling and the stupid.
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See, American voters possessing an once due diligence have already peeked into Hussien's background, understand his early years' indoctrination and can connect the dots to his present day ideology. And it's not just a 'phase' that Obama went thru, it has been throughout his entire childhood, adolescent and adult life. Aside from his Marxist parents and step-parents, his radical commie mentors, collectivist preachers, unrepentant terrorist neighbors and far-left friends, Obama does not seem to have experienced the green grass of America for any extended period of time in his life.
And the liberals know this too. It is impossible for any semi-cognizant person not to see the anti-colonialist, anti-white, anti-American influences.
But when the generic liberal is confronted with the mere suggestion that Obama's background may just a wee bit atypical, we hear crickets. No rebuttal. No denial. No condemnation as right wing propaganda and lies. Just utter disbelief and silence. Crickets.
Or the usual deflection. Happens here on FF all the time.
So maybe 2016 is a waste of effort. The people that know, already know. Dinesh D'Souza, by his cinematic efforts, might possibly educate a handful of the ignorant, but he simply cannot fix the unwilling and the stupid.
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Kane
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Again with classic deflection. Do you have any relevant comments regarding the movie subject matter? I'm certain, smart as you are, that you understand or have heard enough about it to offer an opinion, not head-in-sand deflection.
cdajen
Bronze Member
The maker of the film said the following: Molen also believes that the movie should be required viewing by all Americans. "Then you can do your own homework and make up your own mind," he stated.
He warned that "there are forces out there who don't want you to view this movie and will try desperately to keep you away from the theater by impugning the character of people like me who created the work, hoping it'll scare you away.
I take exception to that.
Dinesh d'Souza could not possibly espouse beliefs that are less in line with my personal ideology. I do not see movies made by people who say things like this with regard to the Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse, D'Souza asserted that the abuse to the prisoners was due to the "sexual immodesty of liberal America" and that Abu Ghraib reflected "the values of a debauched liberalism run amok."
He blamed 9/11 on liberals and has said more dumbshit, bass ackwards things than I could possibly count.
There is no theater any where near me that is showing this film, so I'm not able to speak directly about it's content.
That is MY opinion. Feel better now Kane or do you have something else nasty to say?
He warned that "there are forces out there who don't want you to view this movie and will try desperately to keep you away from the theater by impugning the character of people like me who created the work, hoping it'll scare you away.
I take exception to that.
Dinesh d'Souza could not possibly espouse beliefs that are less in line with my personal ideology. I do not see movies made by people who say things like this with regard to the Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse, D'Souza asserted that the abuse to the prisoners was due to the "sexual immodesty of liberal America" and that Abu Ghraib reflected "the values of a debauched liberalism run amok."
He blamed 9/11 on liberals and has said more dumbshit, bass ackwards things than I could possibly count.
There is no theater any where near me that is showing this film, so I'm not able to speak directly about it's content.
That is MY opinion. Feel better now Kane or do you have something else nasty to say?
Kane
New member
If the film makes its way to Montana before the election, do you plan on springing for the twelve bucks?
Most of the nation would not look seriously at B H Obama in2008 . Why would we expect them to look now and see his true nature and intent revealed.
That would be tatamount to admission of a mistake. Much too risky.
No leave that dog lie. Let someone else deal with it.
Hell, don't get informed, don't vote. Then none of it is your fault.
This is old stuff, originaly published almost four years ago.
It has been updated and editied for correctness since.
It is difficult to read and follow. It is probably not as entertaining as the movie but illustrates and predicts the same scenario.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html
That would be tatamount to admission of a mistake. Much too risky.
No leave that dog lie. Let someone else deal with it.
Hell, don't get informed, don't vote. Then none of it is your fault.
This is old stuff, originaly published almost four years ago.
It has been updated and editied for correctness since.
It is difficult to read and follow. It is probably not as entertaining as the movie but illustrates and predicts the same scenario.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html
Kane
New member
Come on, Franc. NOT voting is irresponsible. But voting irresponsibly is a citizen's seventh sin. So why be informed when we're just voting from the heart anyway?Hell, don't get informed, don't vote. Then none of it is your fault.
Still, we will never hear of a liberal reacting honestly to the film. Deflection? We'll hear plenty of that.
tiredretired
The Old Salt
Or more nonsense about it. One or the other.
cdajen
Bronze Member
How many of you stood in line for Michael Moore's various films? There is nothing about this movie that makes me want to see it. It's not unbiased, it's a right wing editorial that regurgitates the same claims and assertions that have been made about Obama since he announced his candidacy.
I am informed, I do vote and I take it seriously. If I want to watch an informative piece on political figures, I'll watch a documentary. This film cannot claim to "document" anything.
I am informed, I do vote and I take it seriously. If I want to watch an informative piece on political figures, I'll watch a documentary. This film cannot claim to "document" anything.
I went to see his rant on GM and corporate America..
I'm no fan of GM but Micheal Moore was over the top, bad. the movie wasn't just biased but incredibly, factualy incorrect.
This 2016 does not appear to be a smear film. I will stand in line tosee it. If it holds true to the facts I have researched over the last five years on B H Obama, I will know it. If not,I will also know it.
Read Barry's books. The fictional autobiographical account of his life and the one Bill Ayers ghost wrote for him.
Read Atlas Shrug
Read John Corsi.
Assemble a collage of core truths that are revealed in each one and weave your own coclusions.
Barry is a pasionate man
Barry is a principled man
Barry is a determined man
Barry is very confident that he is absolutely right.
Barry disagrees with the fundimental founding ideas of our nation.
Primarily that the individual should be unleashed to achieve their own maximum potential
(You didn't build this)
Barry is not a man who should be at the head of any Constitutonal Republic. But especialy this one
Kane
New member
So true, Dog. But even if the Republicans offered up Attila the Hun, how could any reasonable person vote for Obama, knowing his background, affiliations and affinities? And this is not all just RW conjecture. This is documented truth in its rawest form.
Of course the libs just chalk it all off to racism. Or I guess now it's called otherism and niggerization.
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tiredretired
The Old Salt
I saw his movie on WalMart and actually thought it was pretty funny. The funniest thing was, that at the time, I did not know it was released to video and saw it for sale at Walmart of all places.
mak2
Active member
Ok buddy, I have just been messing with you since you called me out in this thread. I have heard this movie is pretty accurate about his life, then if veers into lala land. I have not seen it and probably wont till it comes out on netflixx. That is not really a statement about what I think of the movie, I rarely go to them. I went to MIB 3 or whatever that was recently, and the movie before that was Toy Story, the first one.