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The Jesus bed connection.
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Tractors4u
Active member
Well that is never going to happen.
Dargo
Like a bad penny...
Aww, somebody left the light on.
Do you really think Alan doesn't like me? Gosh, I'd be crushed! What? Are you serious? He has me on his "ignore" list?! Say it isn't so!
alanejackson
Banned
Well, Why? Have you asked others closer to you to help at answering them? Where were you when you asked the questions? If I connot answer them, will they ever be answered? Are you waiting, when you shouldn't be?
I think I learned what I'm sharing from reading and experiencing life, coming up with questions, and studying and thinking about it.
Written info doesn't have all the answers.
Try listening to the questions, say them out loud. Ask that which may live with in you.
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Luke 12:3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.
Luke 9:29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. 30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
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Tractors4u
Active member
So Kwiens, that means he doesn't have any answers.
Again, YOUR words are garbled and make little sense.
You talk in circles then try to back it all up with scriptural quotes that you've copied and pasted elsewhere..
You talk in circles then try to back it all up with scriptural quotes that you've copied and pasted elsewhere..
alanejackson
Banned
The Truth, Kept from Us.
Death Threats
Or
The Politics of Confinement
While listening to a "science program" I heard the question asked: Knowing that "our" bodies fight infection by way of raising, or changing, it's temperature by a few degrees, what do cold blooded animals do?
Someone claiming to have studied cold blooded animals was found, and put on the spot. His response was: Cold blooded animals do the same, probably lowering their body temperatures some. Then he was asked: Do cold blooded animals get colds/sick? His response was: Yes, and you'll see bubbles around the nose and mouth, probably wouldn't happen out in the wild, they are "Problems of Confinement".
The story tells us, of a man living in the wilderness. Many, not living in the wilderness, were coming to where he was, hoping to learn why he chose not to live like them. The story tells us, a Son of God also went to see this man, living in the wilderness. And that, John the Baptist, recognized Jesus for what he was. Yet, later in the story, after a period of confinement in prison, not in the wilderness, John the Baptist questions whether or not Jesus is what he was known to be.
I learned of a survey taken, from which it was concluded, that the same "small" amount of people that believe Elvis is still alive, think the "war on drugs" can be won. Is not the "war on terrorism" the same war, just a different name? Is it not the same group of people forcing their beliefs upon others, using weapons other than words, reasoning, and education.
Conversion by way of "Education" requires the patience of a teacher. The teacher allows the student time to learn, the environment to learn. The con man cannot.
The more we just-go-along with others, without thinking, without awareness, the less we learn. And learning is our only way out of this prison of ignorance.
Death Threats
Or
The Politics of Confinement
While listening to a "science program" I heard the question asked: Knowing that "our" bodies fight infection by way of raising, or changing, it's temperature by a few degrees, what do cold blooded animals do?
Someone claiming to have studied cold blooded animals was found, and put on the spot. His response was: Cold blooded animals do the same, probably lowering their body temperatures some. Then he was asked: Do cold blooded animals get colds/sick? His response was: Yes, and you'll see bubbles around the nose and mouth, probably wouldn't happen out in the wild, they are "Problems of Confinement".
The story tells us, of a man living in the wilderness. Many, not living in the wilderness, were coming to where he was, hoping to learn why he chose not to live like them. The story tells us, a Son of God also went to see this man, living in the wilderness. And that, John the Baptist, recognized Jesus for what he was. Yet, later in the story, after a period of confinement in prison, not in the wilderness, John the Baptist questions whether or not Jesus is what he was known to be.
I learned of a survey taken, from which it was concluded, that the same "small" amount of people that believe Elvis is still alive, think the "war on drugs" can be won. Is not the "war on terrorism" the same war, just a different name? Is it not the same group of people forcing their beliefs upon others, using weapons other than words, reasoning, and education.
Conversion by way of "Education" requires the patience of a teacher. The teacher allows the student time to learn, the environment to learn. The con man cannot.
The more we just-go-along with others, without thinking, without awareness, the less we learn. And learning is our only way out of this prison of ignorance.
DaveNay
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alanejackson
Banned
Self sacrifice, where reading becomes remembering.
As you envision Jesus staggering through the streets under the weight of his cross, being whipped and spat upon, hold your spittle for a moment, consider what you're witnessing. Is this a man before you, putting forth grade effort toward his own demise? Or is this a man that has chosen not to embrace killing and murdering, and is putting forth grade effort toward exposing those who would? Have you become like Peter in the garden, when the killers came to get Jesus? Have you chosen a side that leads to killing, to death for many? Can Jesus correct your action? Will you stay your sword because the truth has asked you to? Can you see that there is an option offered that does not embrace killing and murder? Can you see the path that war does not offer, which leads to a better life, for the following generations?
As you envision Jesus repairing the ear of the soldier who had come with an armed gang to take Jesus prisoner while he was away from public observance, stay your sword for a moment and consider what you're witnessing. Is this a man who would be "with" the actions of the present US administration? Or would he rebuke them for the same reasoning he did Peter? Did Peter's knee-jerk reaction show that he was no more ready to fill a position of leadership than those with the present administration? Does the "just following orders" mentality of a soldier, lack the free speech, therefore the free thought necessary to recognize that his actions lead away from civilization, and into a world of death and destruction,? Without free speech in his unit/community, what is a soldier's vote worth? Is the road map that the present administration suggests we follow the same one Nazi Germany used? Is it a road that leads to the elite, (in the public eye) appearing to live high on the hog, for a while, off the robbery and rape of the common man, (off-camera)? Are true Christians, those who would follow Jesus rather than Peter, being persecuted with politically guided economic and military reprisals today, because they will not join with and sanction the contrary option offered by those with the present administration? Is the present administration using the sword, because those "with" them do not have the understanding of the word?
As you envision Jesus staggering through the streets under the weight of his cross, being whipped and spat upon, hold your spittle for a moment, consider what you're witnessing. Is this a man before you, putting forth grade effort toward his own demise? Or is this a man that has chosen not to embrace killing and murdering, and is putting forth grade effort toward exposing those who would? Have you become like Peter in the garden, when the killers came to get Jesus? Have you chosen a side that leads to killing, to death for many? Can Jesus correct your action? Will you stay your sword because the truth has asked you to? Can you see that there is an option offered that does not embrace killing and murder? Can you see the path that war does not offer, which leads to a better life, for the following generations?
As you envision Jesus repairing the ear of the soldier who had come with an armed gang to take Jesus prisoner while he was away from public observance, stay your sword for a moment and consider what you're witnessing. Is this a man who would be "with" the actions of the present US administration? Or would he rebuke them for the same reasoning he did Peter? Did Peter's knee-jerk reaction show that he was no more ready to fill a position of leadership than those with the present administration? Does the "just following orders" mentality of a soldier, lack the free speech, therefore the free thought necessary to recognize that his actions lead away from civilization, and into a world of death and destruction,? Without free speech in his unit/community, what is a soldier's vote worth? Is the road map that the present administration suggests we follow the same one Nazi Germany used? Is it a road that leads to the elite, (in the public eye) appearing to live high on the hog, for a while, off the robbery and rape of the common man, (off-camera)? Are true Christians, those who would follow Jesus rather than Peter, being persecuted with politically guided economic and military reprisals today, because they will not join with and sanction the contrary option offered by those with the present administration? Is the present administration using the sword, because those "with" them do not have the understanding of the word?
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alanejackson
Banned
Dead Presidents
Or
"They", Just Wanta Have Money
"We haven't any indications, what's so ever, society's have any sense." -Margret Mead
About a week ago was the anniversary of Watergate. The spin given to the media to disburse, described the past event as the biggest political scandal in American history. Those who would have us see Watergate as the biggest political scandal in American history, must have, or would have us, forget about Lincoln, the Kennedys, King, and much more of our past. Are they trying to make us feel good about ourselves, when we really shouldn't? Are some trying to forget history, and take us with them?
Capitalism grows through ignorance, while Christianity succeeds only in those that have understanding. The capitalist society seems to thrive for a while due to a lack of self-discipline in its members. The capitalist behaves as he does because he lacks the understanding obtained by the Christian seeking knowledge and wisdom instead. The Christian is a capitalist that has learned better, gone further in understanding. The capitalist seeks what the others around him have. The Christian seeks what no man has, with the hope that every man will. In a capitalist society, problems like alcoholism and gay pride are dealt with by the prohibition of alcohol and morals. The Christian overcomes such problems, through recognizing them as temptations, as tests of a person's self-discipline, as a study of history shows him others have.
In some countries, such as India, people are not expected to treat one another as equals, for some reason. History indicates it's for the same reason most animals do not show equal respect for one another, life. They have not yet learned to. If we went to India, and told them that they had to begin treating each other as equals, how would they respond, and why? Why does the U.S. Constitution ask that those who would live in the U.S. do so. The Christian asks that everyone be treated as a chosen one of God. The Jew does not like that idea for the same reason the upperclass in India does not. The New Testament, when understood, leaves a person with the spirit of sharing and equality that the Old Testament does not. The Jew does not value sharing, does not view people equally, for the same reason the upper cast capitalist does not. They continue as they do, only because they and many others around them have not learned the lessons that come with understanding the story of Jesus. They continue only through its prohibition. Those who understand, becoming their enemy, for becoming their equal. Because the upper cast capitalist Jew seeks something other than understanding, and has not developed his self-discipline to a degree that would allow him to overcome the temptation of inequality, they are hated today and die tomorrow. In a world where people are seeking wisdom and knowledge for the purpose of sharing a better life with all, those like the Jew become a stumbling block. They choose not to recognize the world where God would have all saved, or at least an equal opportunity at being saved. The story of Jesus shows a path we all must follow to get into the future. The do unto others mentality of Jesus says you too can be like me. The upper cast capitalist Jew mentality would be lying if it said the same, and puts forth great effort toward restricting the abilities of others around them, bringing us all down, retarding progression, in the name of staying on top, of a crumbling hill.
Mark 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
Luke 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Or
"They", Just Wanta Have Money
"We haven't any indications, what's so ever, society's have any sense." -Margret Mead
About a week ago was the anniversary of Watergate. The spin given to the media to disburse, described the past event as the biggest political scandal in American history. Those who would have us see Watergate as the biggest political scandal in American history, must have, or would have us, forget about Lincoln, the Kennedys, King, and much more of our past. Are they trying to make us feel good about ourselves, when we really shouldn't? Are some trying to forget history, and take us with them?
Capitalism grows through ignorance, while Christianity succeeds only in those that have understanding. The capitalist society seems to thrive for a while due to a lack of self-discipline in its members. The capitalist behaves as he does because he lacks the understanding obtained by the Christian seeking knowledge and wisdom instead. The Christian is a capitalist that has learned better, gone further in understanding. The capitalist seeks what the others around him have. The Christian seeks what no man has, with the hope that every man will. In a capitalist society, problems like alcoholism and gay pride are dealt with by the prohibition of alcohol and morals. The Christian overcomes such problems, through recognizing them as temptations, as tests of a person's self-discipline, as a study of history shows him others have.
In some countries, such as India, people are not expected to treat one another as equals, for some reason. History indicates it's for the same reason most animals do not show equal respect for one another, life. They have not yet learned to. If we went to India, and told them that they had to begin treating each other as equals, how would they respond, and why? Why does the U.S. Constitution ask that those who would live in the U.S. do so. The Christian asks that everyone be treated as a chosen one of God. The Jew does not like that idea for the same reason the upperclass in India does not. The New Testament, when understood, leaves a person with the spirit of sharing and equality that the Old Testament does not. The Jew does not value sharing, does not view people equally, for the same reason the upper cast capitalist does not. They continue as they do, only because they and many others around them have not learned the lessons that come with understanding the story of Jesus. They continue only through its prohibition. Those who understand, becoming their enemy, for becoming their equal. Because the upper cast capitalist Jew seeks something other than understanding, and has not developed his self-discipline to a degree that would allow him to overcome the temptation of inequality, they are hated today and die tomorrow. In a world where people are seeking wisdom and knowledge for the purpose of sharing a better life with all, those like the Jew become a stumbling block. They choose not to recognize the world where God would have all saved, or at least an equal opportunity at being saved. The story of Jesus shows a path we all must follow to get into the future. The do unto others mentality of Jesus says you too can be like me. The upper cast capitalist Jew mentality would be lying if it said the same, and puts forth great effort toward restricting the abilities of others around them, bringing us all down, retarding progression, in the name of staying on top, of a crumbling hill.
Mark 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
Luke 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
alanejackson
Banned
I wouldn't know.
Can't say I have the interest to partake in any such experiment..
You're a nurse, yea right.
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You>>>
Get the picture??
You>>>
Get the picture??
alanejackson
Banned
.. I won't be walking any plank.
I will however, stay out of this wordy, boring thread..
Exit!
The facts show you're wrong on both. Keep movin!!!
alanejackson
Banned
Jesus teaching and using evolution. The reason for the bed.
Politics wants it classified as religion, while it should have been in every history book for the last 2000 years, so that it could have its educational effect on everyone, like recorded history is saved in the hopes of doing.
Why do you want to play politics with people's education?
Why didn't you learn about Jesus and the bed in grade school?
You can now see that it was an important event in "our" history, right?
Are you educating/teaching all the people you know about this newly uncovered important information, and there-by allowing them to become more informed, more helpful, and wiser and better educated?
Or are you hiding it, playing politics with it in hope that your favorite politicians will still get the ignorant/uninformed votes they need?
If not, you and they are suffering needlessly. And the reason why is clear. Your education was incomplete. And thus; you were unable to become the teacher you should have learned to be. Because ignorant politicians wanted the teachings of the teacher Jesus, somewhere other then the history books and class room.
NEW KNOWLEDGE MAKES US LOOK LIKE FOOLS.
THUS: THE HUMBLE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT FIND IT.
AND POLITICS TRIES TO HIDE IT.
Politics wants it classified as religion, while it should have been in every history book for the last 2000 years, so that it could have its educational effect on everyone, like recorded history is saved in the hopes of doing.
Why do you want to play politics with people's education?
Why didn't you learn about Jesus and the bed in grade school?
You can now see that it was an important event in "our" history, right?
Are you educating/teaching all the people you know about this newly uncovered important information, and there-by allowing them to become more informed, more helpful, and wiser and better educated?
Or are you hiding it, playing politics with it in hope that your favorite politicians will still get the ignorant/uninformed votes they need?
If not, you and they are suffering needlessly. And the reason why is clear. Your education was incomplete. And thus; you were unable to become the teacher you should have learned to be. Because ignorant politicians wanted the teachings of the teacher Jesus, somewhere other then the history books and class room.
NEW KNOWLEDGE MAKES US LOOK LIKE FOOLS.
THUS: THE HUMBLE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT FIND IT.
AND POLITICS TRIES TO HIDE IT.
The facts show you're wrong on both. Keep movin!!!
Go ahead and keep posting til your fingers fall off.
I'll read what you post, but I won't waste my breath with any more comments.
You're like talking to a brick wall.
Or is that a stone(d) post?
fogtender
Now a Published Author
The History of the bed began before Jesus graced the Earth. The Romans were using them long before Jesus got to be sent here. That pretty much kills your version of that...
Unless you can assimilate some common sense into your postings, it would be a good deal to check into a rehab center close to you, that is if the wiring harnesses aren't too badly fried...which by your writings and ramblings, appear to be the case.
fogtender
Now a Published Author
alanejackson
Banned
You're right. And they had autos before Ford.
alanejackson
Banned
>"Great. Just what need to be discovered...another "sin."
Yes! I agree! The wages of sin is death. And we sin without recognizing it. When we do recongnize a sin, this allows us to avoid a death, that was coming unseen.
If you're going through hell, keep going. - historybuffy
Now that sounds like good advice! That's inspirational!
Yes! I agree! The wages of sin is death. And we sin without recognizing it. When we do recongnize a sin, this allows us to avoid a death, that was coming unseen.
If you're going through hell, keep going. - historybuffy
Now that sounds like good advice! That's inspirational!
fogtender
Now a Published Author
Just when I thought a flicker of light was starting to shine though, the bulb burned out....
fogtender
Now a Published Author
No history buff here, just plain history that is pretty much common knowledge that anyone went to school learned. You did go to school right?
You are clearly a legend in your own mind... keep the fires burning!
It is not even fun to debate with you because you have no concept of what it is your are talking about to start with, which is an incredible waste of time on any of our parts. You are like kicking a can, no response, just the noise of it bouncing around and hollow.
Kinda feel sorry for you.
alanejackson
Banned
Try an LED. It's said, they last alot longer.
This holiday, think and remember. Before the word sleep became part of our vocabulary, the word dead was used, meaning not conscious. The word dead covered all the conditions for being found not conscious. People 2000 years ago, not yet having the word sleep, would have described what the carpenter Jesus was doing as raising the dead. With hindsight, through the study of history, we can now see and understand that Jesus was raising the sleeping, by giving them beds. The manger, praying before going to bed, and the spread of furniture with Christianity, all points to Jesus being responsible mass utilization of the bed, in the same way Henry Ford is famous for the automobile. Jesus was not first with the invention of the bed, but he was first to realize everyone needs to sleep up off the ground. In this way, Jesus gave us life more abundant, much more healthier.
Alan
fogtender
Now a Published Author
alanejackson
Banned
No............ I'm an LED. Light Emitting Disciple.
I said, Try an LED.
Matthew 8:25 And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish.
Matthew 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
Matthew 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Dargo
Like a bad penny...
Aww, c'mon Fogtender, he's been hiding in his cabin for years without any real physical contact, other than to buy his chemicals, (you know, better living through modern chemistry) and is enjoying his attempts to hit on Pirate Girl and American Woman. You're putting cold water on him. It might put out the pipe. 
alanejackson
Banned
I make the same mistake that you just made, sometimes. I like to think others are like me, and can read too.
Tobit 1:1 "All wisdom is from the Lord God, and hath been always with him, and is before all time."
Therefore there is no new knowledge; knowledge in the form of wisdom over all things has always been. Just because some of us do not know specific things does not mean that the knowledge didn't exist.
Wisdom 1:12 "Seek not death in the error of your life, neither procure ye destruction by the works of your hands." I don't see anything here about recognizing sin as being salvation from death.alanejackson said:
Well I'm thinking you proclaim yourself to be a disciple but I think many prefer to follow the true teacher rather than a disciple, in Baruch 3:14 it states: "Learn where is wisdom, where is strength, where is understanding: that thou mayst know also where is length of days and life, where is the light of the eyes, and peace." And personally I'd prefer to read what is in the Bible than to read what you believe is in the Bible. Or perhaps what you are reading into the Bible.alanejackson said: