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Is shoving someone just cause for the recipient to throw the first punch?

Was my friend well within his rights to slug Freddy?

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 100.0%
  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    13

Gunsrus

Active member
Two decades ago, I saw a fight unfold at my school. A friend of mine was involved and he threw the first punch. How the incident happened was very unfortunate and there was no acceptable reason for it.

Freddy, a guy who was said to have had mental problems was admitted to the school. He was because the headmistress had a soft spot for underdogs with cerebral and learning difficulties. He was doing okay for a little while, but, following another incident I´ll go into later to give the topic perhaps a little more depth, he got expelled for the event I'm about to share on this forum.

One day, in the afternoon lesson, our teacher asked Freddy take away the sweet wrappers and the coke can he'd left on the table from his snack during the day's lunch break. He refused and said she could do it because she was closer. She tried to insist, but he continued to refuse and unfortunately our teacher gave in.

About fifteen minutes later, our teacher asked Freddy to help her put a stack of papers on one of the higher shelves, because he was a tall person. Freddy refused again. I don't recall the reason this time around, but one of my buddies, Myron, objected to Freddy, saying that he was showing a lack of respect for the tutor and urged him to do as he asked.

Freddy decided to react against Myron by getting up, taking the stack of papers, going over to Myron and throwing them in his face, scattering them all over the room, blurting out, 'since you want to help the teacher so much, you put them up there!'

Myron decided to stand up and object to Freddy further. Freddy retorted angrily, in a way I also can't remember, but I do remember him calling Myron a piece of shit and then he shoved him.

Myron reacted furiously, shouting, 'you think I'm a piece of shit?!' and then he punched him before charging Freddy and taking him to the floor. A scuffle ensued and Myron and Freddy exchanged punches. At one point, Myron got on top of Freddy and at this point I couldn't see what was happening from my angle. I did see, however, Freddy kicking out with one leg and sending a nearby PC keyboard flying so high into the air and so fast, its cable got disconnected cleanly from the computer and it spun in mid-air almost hitting ceiling, before crashing down to the floor.

Myron and Freddy were separated by two of my other collegues. They both came up from the floor, Myron bleeding from the lip and Freddy sporting a bruised ear and a colored eye.

Now, I asked Myron about this altercation a few years later and he told me that he had to throw the first punch because Freddy shoved him.

I'd like to put this question to my fellow forum members: does shoving someone call for the first punch from the person on the receiving end?
 
Two decades ago, I saw a fight unfold at my school. A friend of mine was involved and he threw the first punch. How the incident happened was very unfortunate and there was no acceptable reason for it.

Freddy, a guy who was said to have had mental problems was admitted to the school. He was because the headmistress had a soft spot for underdogs with cerebral and learning difficulties. He was doing okay for a little while, but, following another incident I´ll go into later to give the topic perhaps a little more depth, he got expelled for the event I'm about to share on this forum.

One day, in the afternoon lesson, our teacher asked Freddy take away the sweet wrappers and the coke can he'd left on the table from his snack during the day's lunch break. He refused and said she could do it because she was closer. She tried to insist, but he continued to refuse and unfortunately our teacher gave in.

About fifteen minutes later, our teacher asked Freddy to help her put a stack of papers on one of the higher shelves, because he was a tall person. Freddy refused again. I don't recall the reason this time around, but one of my buddies, Myron, objected to Freddy, saying that he was showing a lack of respect for the tutor and urged him to do as he asked.

Freddy decided to react against Myron by getting up, taking the stack of papers, going over to Myron and throwing them in his face, scattering them all over the room, blurting out, 'since you want to help the teacher so much, you put them up there!'

Myron decided to stand up and object to Freddy further. Freddy retorted angrily, in a way I also can't remember, but I do remember him calling Myron a piece of shit and then he shoved him.

Myron reacted furiously, shouting, 'you think I'm a piece of shit?!' and then he punched him before charging Freddy and taking him to the floor. A scuffle ensued and Myron and Freddy exchanged punches. At one point, Myron got on top of Freddy and at this point I couldn't see what was happening from my angle. I did see, however, Freddy kicking out with one leg and sending a nearby PC keyboard flying so high into the air and so fast, its cable got disconnected cleanly from the computer and it spun in mid-air almost hitting ceiling, before crashing down to the floor.

Myron and Freddy were separated by two of my other collegues. They both came up from the floor, Myron bleeding from the lip and Freddy sporting a bruised ear and a colored eye.

Now, I asked Myron about this altercation a few years later and he told me that he had to throw the first punch because Freddy shoved him.

I'd like to put this question to my fellow forum members: does shoving someone call for the first punch from the person on the receiving end?

IMO throwing anything at me then shoving me IS the first punch.
 
IMO throwing anything at me then shoving me IS the first punch.
Exactly. While two wrongs do not make it right ..... the first to touch the other one (poke or shove) would be equivalent to the first punch IMO and I think under the law. You do not touch other people in anger.
 
Yup. Touch me, shove me and your nose will get broke. Or, I will try. At my age there might be an issue with my reflexes. :yum:
 
Yup, throwing stuff in my face and then pushing me is assault. Anything that I do after that is self defense.

I'm too old these days to get agitated by much but in my younger years one of my "hot buttons" was someone poking me in the chest with their index finger as a point of emphasis. I'd warn then once not to do that and then I'd grab their index finger and bend it backwards. If it broke, it broke. :doh:
 
I'm 68 years old and well past childhood games. An aggressive shove might get one killed here.
I empathize. Back in my younger, stronger, faster days it was much easier to apply a small hurt then back off to see what
would happen; that is a luxury I can't afford in my current state of physical imperfection. Now, if attacked, it is much
more likely to involve gurnies and morgue attendants, a deplorable level of response but one made necessary by my
condition.

Which is why I go even further out of my way than in the past to avoid confrontations.
 
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