The right owns the senate, house and president, the bill only required the standard 51 votes, it should have been a lot better for the folks that voted for what they were promised. All of them ran on the promises, they got 4 more trillion to spend and we get to pay it back, what a deal.
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HOUSE PASSED the One Big Beautiful Bill -- SENATE to RE-WRITE the One Big Beautiful Bill
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Patriot
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I wouldn't say "owns." A slim majority, yes, but when you realize that many of the so-called Republicans are not on board with the MAGA agenda, that many of them are from blue states and feel the need to appease their left-leaning voters, or have to get on board with government giveaways such as the SALT subsidy or get voted out, then you start to understand that the "right," in the sense of a conservative, populist, Trumpian MAGA movement, is still NOT the majority in either house of congress. Frankly, I am surprised at the ability of Mike Johnson and President Trump to get the BBB passed and still keep it as conservative as it was.
Then why when the dems are in power they can ram thru whatever they want, the green new deal being a prime example?
I am retiring right now and passing my business to my son, I did not become successful accepting bs excuses from folks on there failures or poor decisions, that business model is the way America will become successful as well, as long as we take it, we get what we get and deserve.
Answer: Because the Republicans are a mix of Conservatives, Liberals, and turncoats.
Patriot
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Because they belong to more of a group-think ideology. Conservatives, by our very nature, believe in freedom of thought, not conformity of thought. Therefore, it is more difficult to get every one on the right of center spectrum to fully agree enough to easily pass a piece of legislation. It will always be too conservative for some, and not conservative enough for others.
The trick is to recognize that as conservatives, we agree more than we disagree, because we disagree with Leftism. If we are not willing to bend a little in order to broaden the tent, if we become too rigid in our thinking, then we fracture ourselves, and the Left wins by default.
The current group of conservatives are good at telling you what you want to hear, then doing what is good for them, what did we get that is worth paying back the 4 trillion they got?
Patriot
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You can't put all of the "current group of conservatives" in the same category. They are all individuals, representing their individual districts and states, some of which are much more conservative than others.
Yes, this bill adds to the debt and deficit, but with the hope that the economic growth it allows will yield increased revenue that will at least offset the spending in the long term. Not to mention that it maintains lower taxes that allow more people to continue to keep and spend their own money as they see fit.
But I'm not going to say that it is a perfect bill, or even a very good one. But, again, it is the best one we could have hoped for given the current set of representatives. And those representatives are only reflections of the current voters. The country has moved more to the right, more conservative, which is a good thing, but I think we'd agree that it needs to move more in that direction.
So, it's good that you point out that this bill should have been better, much better. But it's also important to recognize that it is all progress in the right direction, pun intended. What is not helpful, however, is to go to the extreme of anger that leads to a fracturing of the GOP to the extent that it helps the Dems take over again at the midterms. If you think you're upset now, it is nothing compared to how you'd probably feel if that happens.
The point is they All ran on the agenda, the problem is they All didn’t support what they promised. You can make all the excuses for them you want but it doesn’t change the fact that they didn’t deliver. I have been listening to the economy will out grow the debt with our plan for my whole life from both sides, has it happened yet? No because it’s bullshit. Over and out.
Patriot
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Then vote for someone else in your district or state if you believe your representative and senator did not deliver on his/her promises. That is the way it gets better.
And I am not making excuses for anybody. I'm also upset about it, but I also look at the positive side, which is that it is better than past spending bills. It is progress.
And the reason the economy hasn't outgrown the debt is because as soon as it begins to catch the debt, the Dems tend to take over and use it as an excuse to increase spending. We just need to recognize that and fight against it. We are doing that more than ever.