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Gubmint to Regulate: Refrigerators, Freezers, Furnaces, Dishwashers, ACs & Washing Machines

Melensdad

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Why not gas dryers too? And generators seem logical to add to the list at some point in the near future.



Biden anti-consumer crusade targets 4 more types of appliances

Consumer appliances in Biden's crosshairs include dishwashers and air conditioners

December 27, 2023 5:00am EST

2023 was an unusually bad year for appliance regulations, and future years won’t be much better unless Congress finds a way to stop the nonsense.
It all started last January when Richard Trumka Jr., a commissioner on the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), announced an investigation into the safety of natural gas stoves and boasted that a ban on them was "a real possibility." That sparked a powerful consumer backlash, followed up by strong denials from the Biden administration that any such ban was in the works.
But CPSC has still gone ahead with its inquiry, and in February, team Biden launched a second regulatory attack on stoves, this time in the form of a new Department of Energy (DOE) efficiency standard. A careful read of the proposal reveals that it is much tougher on gas stoves than electric versions – part of the administration’s multipronged attack on natural gas use that it justifies on climate change grounds.
It isn’t just gas stoves, and in fact, Biden regulators have launched proposed regulations for other appliances that are likely to be as bad or even worse. As with the rest of the Biden administration's energy agenda, these regulations put the climate change agenda ahead of the best interests of consumers:
VP Harris on Thanksgiving
Vice President Kamala Harris faced criticism on social media after sharing a post of her and second husband Doug Emhoff posing next to a gas stove on Thanksgiving. (X screenshot/@VP)

1. Dishwashers

Dishwashers may already be the most over-regulated appliance, having been subjected to four rounds of successively tighter limits on the amount of energy and water they can use. These DOE regulations are the reason dishwashers now take two hours or more to clean a load of dishes, up from about one hour for models predating the federal standards.
Cleaning performance has also suffered. Many consumers report having to rinse their dishes by hand before or after running them in the dishwasher, which is not only an inconvenience but also undercuts the energy and water-saving rationale behind the rules. But having learned nothing, DOE now proposes to make the requirements more stringent, insisting that doing so will benefit consumers and help fight climate change.

2. Air Conditioners

Residential central air conditioners are being hit by regulations from both DOE and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and the cumulative impact is large and still growing. A new DOE efficiency standard that took effect in 2023 is boosting the installed cost of a new unit by $1,000 or more. And climate change measures coming from EPA in 2024 will both raise the cost of refrigerants needed to repair existing systems while further increasing prices for new models.
Adding insult to injury, the new climate-friendly air conditioners about to be introduced come with increased flammability risks.

3. Washing Machines

Like dishwashers, washing machines have endured tighter and tighter water and energy use limits in 1994, 2004, 2007, 2015 and 2018. They now use so little water that homeowners have had to improvise to get clothes clean. Some have learned to add a bucket or two of water midcycle to improve performance, while others risk voiding the warranty by tinkering with their machines to increase the flow.
Mold accumulation – which was never a problem before Washington regulators got involved with washing machines – is now common and can cause bad odors and staining of clothes. A sensible government agency would be looking at ways to fix these problems, but the Biden administration DOE is proposing to exacerbate them with tougher energy and water limits.

4. Furnaces

No two homes are exactly alike, which is why it makes sense to allow a wide variety of furnaces on the market. But DOE doesn’t see it that way, and its recently finalized efficiency standard for furnaces effectively outlaws the kind of natural gas furnaces that make the most sense for millions of homeowners.
Specifically, the rule eliminates the option of non-condensing gas furnaces in favor of condensing versions. Condensing furnaces are more efficient and thus comply with the rule, but they are more expensive and not easily compatible with the venting systems in many homes that currently have non-condensing furnaces. . . .
 

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So the only way out at this point is to make sure Trump gets re elected and stops the madness. He almost had it done before the election. Ca. had a court date to end the Crazy left coast crap CARB that the other Dim states follow. Obindens new EPA leader promptly dropped the case.
 
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Melensdad

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Well we can now add Refrigerators and Freezers to our list of things being over-regulated, which will increase our costs.

Full story at FoxNews

Biden admin unveils string of eco regulations in latest appliance crackdown targeting fridges, freezers

'Consumers are perfectly capable of making these decisions on their own,' energy expert tells Fox News Digital

December 29, 2023 1:57pm EST

The Biden administration unveiled environmental regulations Friday targeting multiple popular home and commercial appliances in an action that will impact millions of Americans, but which federal officials said would help curb carbon emissions.
The Department of Energy (DOE) both finalized new energy efficiency standards for residential refrigerators and freezers, and proposed standards for commercial fans and blowers. Overall, the agency said the actions would eliminate 420 million metric tons of "dangerous carbon dioxide emissions" over the next three decades and save households and businesses $5 billion a year on utility bills.
"Today’s announcement is a testament to the Biden-Harris Administration's commitment to lowering utility costs for working families, which is helping to simultaneously strengthen energy independence and combat the climate crisis," Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm said in a statement.
"DOE will continue to move quickly in 2024 — together with our industry partners and stakeholders — to update and strengthen outdated energy efficiency standards, which is critical to innovation, more consumer options, and healthier communities," she continued.
Jennifer Granholm
Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm pledged Friday to continue issuing energy efficiency standards for appliances in 2024.
(Tom Williams/CQ-Roll Call, Inc via Getty Images)
DOE's standards for refrigerators and freezers will be implemented between 2029 and 2030, and mark the first update to standards impacting those appliances in more than a decade. According to the announcement, the updated standards, which will take less efficient but cheaper models off the market, will in 30 years remove the amount of emissions generated by the combined annual emissions of 12.7 million homes.
And the standards targeting fans and blowers are the first-ever federal regulations targeting those appliances. DOE said that proposal "follows the lead" of efficiency standards established by California and will reduce carbon dioxide emissions by nearly 318 million metric tons in the next 30 years.
"Refrigerator standard are much like dishwashers and clothes washers, where there've been so many standards over the decades that we're either at the point of diminishing returns or negative returns," . . .
 

FrancSevin

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For the record, a gas stove in residences does not "cause" asthma. They irritate asthma sufferer's.
So, if you have asthma or a child with the condition, don't buy a gas stove.

Ina truly free country, that should be a choice, not a mandate.

An, for the record, I am a trained chef who would prefer gas for all my cooking. However, because of my asthma, we use electric. Well, that and my wife prefers it. Funny because I do most of the cooking in our home.

I also do not BBQ with gas. I use oak, hickory, ash, maple and Bradford pear. I am waiting, with a loaded 357, for the regulations on that.
 

tommu56

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Their trying to regulate everything to get enough power to charge the EV's LOL o_O
 

FrancSevin

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Their trying to regulate everything to get enough power to charge the EV's LOL o_O
I assume you are suggesting they need the Natural Gas to power the grid and charge more EV's, right?

Of course, that makes no sense.
But one is surprised by how little that matters.
 

tommu56

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I assume you are suggesting they need the Natural Gas to power the grid and charge more EV's, right?

Of course, that makes no sense.
But one is surprised by how little that matters.
I'd love for them to use NG I have royalties that are in the pits now they are 1/10 of what they were 2 ears ago.
 

Melensdad

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And another article on this topic of losing our options and choices, while being forced to pay higher prices to get dirtier laundry and dishes, or unaffordable heat or running the washer twice and the dryer twice to get the same results we had before the 'efficiency' regulations . . .

Me, I am planning to buy new shower heads under the old crappy standards because the new standards probably will leave me dirty and stinky. I have many newer appliances, except the main home refrigerator. Maybe I should pro-actively replace it?



Biden energy efficiency crackdown leaves no appliance in American home untouched

List of impacted appliances includes gas stoves, dishwashers, ACs, refrigerators, washing machines, microwaves, and furnaces, fueling concerns consumer choices are being thwarted.

New York City's effort in the 1990s to regulate toilets and shower heads to cut down water usage ignited consumer outrage, even inspiring a 1996 Seinfeld television episode in which the character Kramer was so fed up with his apartment's low-flow shower head that he purchased a high-flow head on the black market.
Three decades later, the Biden administration is leaving few appliances in the home untouched in its quest to regulate the amount of water and energy Americans use for their household chores.
The list of impacted appliances includes gas stoves, dishwashers, air conditioners, refrigerators, light bulbs, washing machines, microwaves, and furnaces, just to name a few. And the push back is growing, raising concerns that consumers will lose choices and pay more for future appliances, especially seniors on fixed incomes and low-income families.
"It started with gas stoves, and now it's virtually everything about our house. And that wakes up a lot of people," said Tim Stewart, the president of the U.S. Oil and Gas Association. He is planning to ride wave of discontent to launch a "Hands off my Home" grassroots effort next year to fight the energy-efficiency crackdown on appliances,
Here's a look at some of the targets of the Biden administration's regulatory offensive:
Shower heads
Shower head regulations of the 1990s became a federal issue. In May 2010, the Obama administration’s Department of Energy (DOE) issued rules that expanded the definition of what constitutes a shower head to include the entire plumbing systems. That meant it wasn’t just the shower head that was limited to 2.5 gallons per minute, it was the whole system.
In August 2020, the Trump administration’s DOE revised the definition again, and the Biden administration’s DOE in July 2021 reinstated the Obama-era definition.
Steve Milloy, a senior legal fellow with the Energy and Environmental Legal Institute and publisher of JunkScience.com, told Just The News that he has a friend who carries tools and a high-flow shower head with him when he travels.
“He’ll replace the hotel’s shower head so that he can take a decent shower,” Milloy said.
Dishwashers
The Biden administration promotes the efficiency standards as a means by which it’s going to save Americans money — $10 billion over 30 years, according to a May announcement.
Milloy said that there’s no evidence those savings will be realized because the standards increase the purchase price and make the appliances worse. Not only do they have to be run longer to accomplish the same tasks, they break down more often.
“My mother had the same dishwasher for like 15 years. In 15 years, I’ve had three or four dishwashers,” Milloy said.
Jill Notini, vice president of communications and market for the Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers, told Reason that appliance costs are going up“dramatically.”
"The food we are putting in the refrigerator is costing a lot more than it did a year or two ago. Now we're telling consumers not only is your food going to cost more, but your refrigerator will also cost you more,” Notini told Reason.
The DOE’s estimated savings of $100 million per year on its proposed dishwasher standards, Reason pointed out, is a pretty small per-capita savings, if true, when spread out over nearly 90 million households that have dishwashers.
During his campaign for president in 2020, then-President Donald Trump criticized the dishwasher efficiency standards that existed at the time, which will increase if the Biden administration’s rules are finalized.
“The dishwashers, they tend to have a little problem, they didn't get enough water, like, so people would run ‘em ten times, so they end up using more water, and the thing’s no damn good,” Trump said.
Gas Stoves
In November 2022, Rocky Mountain Institute, a nonprofit organization dedicated to the elimination of fossil fuels, produced a study concluding that nearly 13% of childhood asthma cases could be linked to the use of gas stoves in the house.
The study, critics point out, didn’t factor into its analysis a much larger study by the International Study of Asthma and Allergies in Childhood of a half-million children in 47 countries that found no such association.
The following January, Richard Trumka Jr., commissioner of the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, suggested in an interview with Bloomberg that a ban on gas stoves was possible.
The article set off a nationwide controversy, and not long after, the federal government proposed standards that would impact many stoves on the market.
These proposals were on top of efforts at the state level to ban natural gas hookups on new construction. A federal court shot down a Berkley, Calif., ban, throwing the state regulations into uncertainty.
Steve Everley, managing director with FTI consulting, cited a number of polls on a thread on X, which suggest the campaign to remove gas stoves may have backfired, as public support appears to diminish over time.
Air conditioners
In March, the DOE announced it finalized efficiency standards for air conditioners, promising that they will save consumers $25 billion over 30 years.
In 2020, the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimated that nearly 90% of America’s 124 million homes used air conditioners. If the DOE’s estimated savings turn out to be accurate, the average American home will save $7.46 per year over the next three decades thanks to the DOE’s standards.
The new standards will increase the cost of new air conditioners, which means it’s likely there will be a net cost to consumers to comply with the federal mandates.
Furnaces
In October, the DOE announced final rules for residential gas furnaces, which will go into effect in 2028. The DOE claims the standards will slash utility costs $1.5 billion annually. Based on EIA’s figure of 124 million homes in America, that comes to approximately $12 per year per household.
Natural gas industry associations, led by the American Gas Association (AGA), filed a legal challenge against the rules earlier this month. The groups argue that the rule effectively bans the sale of non-condensing natural gas furnaces. These furnaces, the AGA explained in a statement announcing the lawsuit, rely on atmospheric venting outside the home.
The condensing furnaces rely on different venting systems, which the AGA said are difficult or impossible to install, especially in older homes and those in low-income neighborhoods.
Those residents who can’t install compliant furnaces will be forced to switch to electric heating equipment, which the AGA said is 3.3 times more expensive than natural gas, based on DOE figures.
Citing DOE data, the AGA said that 55% of U.S. households will be impacted, which includes 30 percent of senior-only households, 26 percent of low-income households and 27 percent of small business consumers.
This list isn’t comprehensive of all the federal regulations setting standards for a wide range of consumer products. And even a comprehensive list of these regulations wouldn’t include the state regulations that are looking to do the same.
 

FrancSevin

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I'd love for them to use NG I have royalties that are in the pits now they are 1/10 of what they were 2 ears ago.
Pay attention here. The NG use will not go up. It will be transferred from home heating and cooking to, electricity generation. It is quite possible, that overall consumption may well go down.

Also keep in mind, the greenies will resist using NG thus making new power plants difficult and expensive to construct.

Like I said, it makes no sense.
 

Melensdad

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And the courts have ruled in the favor of consumers.

Most interesting is the court agreed that the "energy and water saving" regulations may actually cause MORE water use and MORE energy use because the appliances don't work well.\



Court serves defeat to Biden’s dishwasher police

Paul BedardJanuary 9, 2024 11:31 am
A federal court on Monday declared that President Joe Biden’s team went too far in imposing new water and energy regulations on the two machines that make life easier, dishwashers and washing machines.
In ruling against Biden, the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals said former President Donald Trump’s administration got it right when it moved to let consumers choose between machines that take longer and use less water and those that can do the job in an hour or less.
The 25-page opinion was a victory for anti-regulatory groups and consumer choice advocates.
It might also have been a win for the environment because the court agreed that lots of people avoid using the green machines because they don’t work well.
The court said the Biden rules “make Americans use more energy and more water for the simple reason that purportedly ‘energy efficient’ appliances do not work. So Americans who want clean dishes or clothes may use more energy and more water to preclean, reclean, or hand-wash their stuff before, after, or in lieu of using DOE-regulated appliances.”
The matter dates back to 2018 when the Competitive Enterprise Institute convinced the Trump administration to add choice in its developing regulations for dishwashers. In addition to pushing those that use less water but for longer, CEI won support for machines that use more water for a shorter time of about one hour.
CEI argued that consumers should have choices when buying appliances.
When he came to office, Biden and his Energy Department revoked that choice.
Several states sued, claiming they used the appliances and liked those that take less time to clean. The Montana state police, for example, said shorter operating machines were better for harmony in their bunkhouses.
The court agreed and said the Energy Department doesn’t have the OK from Congress to regulate water use. It also agreed that machines that use less water cost more to run. Evidence in the case suggested dishwashers that used to finish in an hour now take 2 1/2 hours to do the same job.
“DOE does not appear to contest this data; in fact, DOE in 2020 appeared to agree that the frustratingly slow pace of modern dishwashers caused consumer substitution away from dishwashers and toward hand-washing. And nothing wastes water and energy like hand-washing: DOE itself estimated in 2011 that hand-washing consumes 350% more water and 140% more energy than machine-washing,” the court said.
“In this opinion, the court has forced DOE to follow the law and even noted that one of the positions DOE took in this suit ‘borders on frivolous.’ This decision allows manufacturers to build better dishwashers, not be encumbered by counterproductive federal regulations,” CEI attorney Devin Watkins said.
Consumers’ Research Executive Director Will Hild added, “This is a huge win for consumers and a massive loss for the Biden administration’s attempts to enshrine their ESG agenda using regulation. These regulations had nothing to do with ‘saving the environment’ — their primary objective was forcing compliance with the ESG agenda.”
 

chowderman

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this is the idiocy of a government full of extremists whose wet dreams are not put down by "leadership"

these numbnuts simply decide that if a dishwasher currently uses X gallons of water, in order for the new world order to survive it must use half that. no research, no questions, no testing, no nothing but insane new "regulations."

I think Congress should change the law such that any change or any new regulation require full Congressional approval before it can be implemented. if they cannot get a full Congress to agree "it's a good idea and entirely practical" - then , , , it ain't.

still waiting for the EPA to sue Detroit and "big oil" to get those 100 mpg carburetor designs released . . .
 
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