Canadian PM eyes China after US pipeline delay

[Cowboy]

Good job putting it off untill the next election .



Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Sunday that he was looking at exporting more oil to China after the United States delayed a decision on a controversial pipeline.
President Barack Obama's administration last week put off a decision on Keystone XL project after a major protest campaign by environmentalists, who say the pipeline would be prone to accidents and worsen climate change.


The conservative Canadian leader, taking part in a summit in Hawaii hosted by Obama said the pipeline decision had produced "extremely negative reactions" and that he discussed oil exports with Chinese President Hu Jintao.
"This does underscore the necessity of Canada making sure that we are able to access Asian markets for our energy products," Harper told reporters. "I indicated that yesterday (Saturday) to President Hu of China."
The Harper government has pressed Obama to approve the 1,700-mile (2,700-kilometer) pipeline extension, which would stretch through Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas and Oklahoma before ending up in Texas.
Canada, the pipeline's lead company TransCanada, and Obama's Republican opponents say the $7 billion project would provide the United States with a stable source of energy from an ally and create thousands of jobs.
"I remain optimistic that the project will eventually go ahead because it makes eminent sense," Harper said.
"This project is obviously what's in the best interest not just of the Canadian economy but also of the American economy," he said.
But environmentalists say an accident would be disastrous for aquifers in the US Great Plains and point to spills on an existing Keystone pipeline. The oil comes from tar sands, meaning it produces high levels of carbon emissions blamed for global warming.
The Obama administration, in ordering further study, cited particular concern about the pipeline's planned route through the Sand Hills area of Nebraska, which has a sensitive ecosystem and shallow groundwater.
The State Department delayed a final decision until 2013, after next year's presidential election.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.93c1b5af9b6cb71a17bf389563809eb2.671&show_article=1

 

[mak2]

Fickle Canadians, lets invade them instead of Iran.

 

[Cowboy]

Fickle Canadians, lets invade them instead of Iran.

Yup blame it on the Canadians , it sure cant be Obamas fault for sitting on his dick.

 

[XeVfTEUtaAqJHTqq]

The Obama administration worked against Harper in the last election and Harper ended up winning big. It's payback time.

I think it would be more profitable for Canada to sell to the US but if the US is going to make a big deal about the pipeline then Canada should sell to whoever will pay the highest price.

 

[Catavenger]

I can't blame the Canucks why should they have to wait?

 

[FrancSevin]

Canadians should just go ahead. Can't blame them.

Damm lazy American businessmen. It's all their fault.

 

[jimbo]

The Obama administration worked against Harper in the last election and Harper ended up winning big. It's payback time.

I think it would be more profitable for Canada to sell to the US but if the US is going to make a big deal about the pipeline then Canada should sell to whoever will pay the highest price.

It's not more profitable to sell to the US if you have to carry it across the border in 5 gallon buckets. That's why both the US and Canada need the pipeline.

 

[bczoom]

I'm assuming the destination of TX is to get to a refinery.

If the greenies don't want a pipeline, OK. Build a refinery in Washington, Oregon or California as they're closer then China by tanker.

 

[joec]

I'm actually all for the Canadians selling all their oil to other countries. Perhaps then the US will get of its duff and finally do something about our dependencies of foreign oil.

 

[Kane]

I'm actually all for the Canadians selling all their oil to other countries. Perhaps then the US will get of its duff and finally do something about our dependencies of foreign oil.

Would you mind terribly, joec, if US started with Obama?

And don't give us that solar panel crap.
.

 

[tiredretired]

A few moments alone in the Oval Office.

Oh what am I to do? My good buddies the enviros do not want this pipeline. However, my other good buddies, the unions want this because it will create jobs. Now as president, I've been whining for weeks now how those evil congressman from both sides of the isle just won't do anything. Just won't get off their royal duffs and pass my jobs bill. For that matter they just won't do anything at all except worry about their re-election.

Oh what am I to do? I got it! I going to delay the pipeline for at least a year, probably more. Screw the jobs, I'm off to a fundraiser. I need money you know. This election is going to be tough.

 

[joec]

Would you mind terribly, joec, if US started with Obama?

And don't give us that solar panel crap.
.

Actually Kane, Richard Nixon first brought up our dependence on foreign oil followed by every administration since him as well as every congress. It has nothing to do at all with the green movement so perhaps that is in your mind. I might add Nixon also started the EPA and OSHA.

 

[FrancSevin]

I'm actually all for the Canadians selling all their oil to other countries. Perhaps then the US will get of its duff and finally do something about our dependencies of foreign oil.

"finaly do"???????????

And just what should that be sir?

Punching new holes in the ground is contra indicated with the progressives in power.

 

[joec]

"finaly do"???????????

And just what should that be sir?

Punching new holes in the ground is contra indicated with the progressives in power.

I've never had a problem with drilling for more oil as long as it doesn't kill people in the process. If one can do it safely then have at it. Oh and don't sell it overseas but keep it here. If you believe this is against all progressives then you might need to read a bit more as that is a very broad statement really.

 

[FrancSevin]

I've never had a problem with drilling for more oil as long as it doesn't kill people in the process. If one can do it safely then have at it. Oh and don't sell it overseas but keep it here. If you believe this is against all progressives then you might need to read a bit more as that is a very broad statement really.

Maybe you haven't but our government has. So can we keep the conversation grounded there.


BTW, Progressives are hardly limited to one party.

Realty Joec.....it's a bitch

Now, instead of a smoke screen,,,,answer my quetion. What would you do? How would you get it past the EPA, Evironmental Protection Authority, Dept of the Interior, Tree Huggers and then The White House which actually does not want a successful new well in the USA.

How exactly does a "progressive" go about participating in an evil.... capitalistic enterpirse?

 

[joec]

Maybe you haven't but our government has. So can we keep the conversation grounded there.


BTW, Progressives are hardly limited to one party.

Realty Joec.....it's a bitch

Ok you got me, I'm completely confused as to what you are taking about now. Realty is a bitch partner, I know I've seen a lot of it up close.

 

[FrancSevin]

Ok you got me, I'm completely confused as to what you are taking about now. Realty is a bitch partner, I know I've seen a lot of it up close.

You said, "I've never had a problem with drilling for more oil as long as it doesn't kill people in the process. If one can do it safely then have at it"

Nearest I can tell Joec, you are not in the oil drilling bussiness.

My question then, is about the goverment which is, by virture of regulating it,, is. Progressive regulations have put most USA oil out of reach to the oil Producers.

"Safety" is not the issue, control and Cronyism is.

That is the reality of our energy policy which would waste $billions of Taxpayer money on friends who happen to be good at bundling political contributions but not so good at producing new technologies. Since they have nothing to loose, no skin in the game as it were, they have no compulsion to succeed at anything but getting the money.

Not real capitalism but,,,,,The true face of greed.

It works well in a central planning over reaching government. The kind of government "progresives" would wish to construct.

GWB, or Obama. Both have doubled the size of government as they control these formerly private enterprises. Both are progressives despite the R and D labels.


Are you still lost here?

Then let me confuse you more...It has everything to do with the "green Movement." I'll wager you think the "greenies" are all about mother earth. Right?

 

[joec]

Thanks for clearing that up for me Franc. Now what I mean by killing people is poisoning their drinking water like the coal does here in Kentucky for example. Poluting the air as cancer alley through lousianna has done from the Texas and eastern Losianna chemical plants did for years.

Now as for Bush and Obama there really isn't a nickles worth of difference since Obama has followed every thing Bush laid out for him.

I'm all for regulations however there are good ones and bad ones out there. Oh and I did live in Texas and Louisiana for about 11 years with most of my friend working in the oil industry as well as working as a body guard for several high ranking officials as they conducted business around the world. I do know a bit more than many though surely no expert.

 

[FrancSevin]

Thanks for clearing that up for me Franc. Now what I mean by killing people is poisoning their drinking water like the coal does here in Kentucky for example. Poluting the air as cancer alley through lousianna has done from the Texas and eastern Losianna chemical plants did for years.

Now as for Bush and Obama there really isn't a nickles worth of difference since Obama has followed every thing Bush laid out for him.

I'm all for regulations however there are good ones and bad ones out there. Oh and I did live in Texas and Louisiana for about 11 years with most of my friend working in the oil industry as well as working as a body guard for several high ranking officials as they conducted business around the world. I do know a bit more than many though surely no expert.

You need say no more. That clarifys things for me.
The perfiect excuse everytime a new mine or well is proposed. A new refinery, a new pipeline.

I would wager the Fracking thing is bothersome as well.

So you drive a "Leaf" do you? Plug it into a solar array?

 

[joec]

You need say no more. That clarifys things for me.
The perfiect excuse everytime a new mine or well is proposed. A new refinery, a new pipeline.

I would wager the Fracking thing is bothersome as well.

So you drive a "Leaf" do you? Plug it into a solar array?

I have known people who's family member have died from cancers they shouldn't have in the 60's along interstate 10 through Louisiana. I read the problem with drinking water here in Kentucky due to the run off for the coal mines. I also saw people die long before they should have overseas due to no concept of what some things can do to a human being when induced into their bodies through no fault of their own.

Now as for Fracking I know little about it so have no opinion at all. I drive a 400 HP decked out Mustang 90 GT and a Nissan Sentra and wouldn't know jack shit about a solar array nor care. So please don't presume you know where I'm coming from.

I did work for several major American companies as security and heard a lot about the way they do business and all I can say is it opened my eyes to what it is all really all about. So please don't tell me about how companies worry about the common folk they might effect, I know better as I've seen it first hand.

 

[FrancSevin]

I have known people who's family member have died from cancers they shouldn't have in the 60's along interstate 10 through Louisiana. I read the problem with drinking water here in Kentucky due to the run off for the coal mines. I also saw people die long before they should have overseas due to no concept of what some things can do to a human being when induced into their bodies through no fault of their own.

Now as for Fracking I know little about it so have no opinion at all. I drive a 400 HP decked out Mustang 90 GT and a Nissan Sentra and wouldn't know jack shit about a solar array nor care. So please don't presume you know where I'm coming from.

I did work for several major American companies as security and heard a lot about the way they do business and all I can say is it opened my eyes to what it is all really all about. So please don't tell me about how companies worry about the common folk they might effect, I know better as I've seen it first hand.

And the Roamns went crazy because the made their goblets with lead. Not everything comes with warning instructions Joe.

As you said. folks died from things of which they were unaware. So let us not ever do anything "different."

Like lay a pipeline from an oli producer to a refinery where it could;

Make products people need and would buy
Make our energy more selfsufficient here in North America
Bennefit our northern neighbors
Create local jobs both in construction and maintenence

All using technologies that we now know how to do safely, in a well regulated industry.

OR


Let us embarke on new exotics, new systems, new materials and hope we can forcast the dangers. All with people who have no shown conscience about robbing the community treasury.
And with no reasonable garranttee of success.


I am all ears

 

[joec]

And you don't think there is a balance between the two. Well I have faith there is. Protecting the environment was originally a Conservative point of view so I wonder when it changed. It actually started in the late 1800's. That balance is what I'm looking for nothing more nothing less. As for new systems no telling what will happen down the road but I'm open to any new idea that comes along if it works. What will it hurt to try to find those things that can make life better and healthier for all of us.

 

[jimbo]

There is nothing 100% safe, but the record of pipelines is far superior to the record of ships traveling across the ocean. For that matter, the record of deep sea drilling is superior to transoceanic shipping. The real point is that the greenies don't want any new oil supplies, preferring instead to pick and choose our choices of energy.

Make that my choice of energy.

 

[joec]

There is nothing 100% safe, but the record of pipelines is far superior to the record of ships traveling across the ocean. For that matter, the record of deep sea drilling is superior to transoceanic shipping. The real point is that the greenies don't want any new oil supplies, preferring instead to pick and choose our choices of energy.

Make that my choice of energy.

True Jim but I don't happen to be a greene, however I do care when children die of cancers they shouldn't have as such a young age or people die because their water supply is crapped up in the name of profits. That is simply common sense or do you agree?

 

[tiredretired]

True Jim but I don't happen to be a greene, however I do care when children die of cancers they shouldn't have as such a young age or people die because their water supply is crapped up in the name of profits. That is simply common sense or do you agree?

No need for undo risk. Heavens above we have enough of that every day. There needs to be a balance in life. Radicals who want to go full speed ahead and and ruin our planet are totally out of touch. Radicals who want to be anti everything so oil is 300 dollars a barrel so their windmills and solar panels are now cost viable are just as out of touch.

It's amazing how good things can work when a little common sense is applied to the problem.

 

[joec]

No need for undo risk. Heavens above we have enough of that every day. There needs to be a balance in life. Radicals who want to go full speed ahead and and ruin our planet are totally out of touch. Radicals who want to be anti everything so oil is 300 dollars a barrel so their windmills and solar panels are now cost viable are just as out of touch.

It's amazing how good things can work when a little common sense is applied to the problem.

You know TR I'm beginning to think you are the only one here that really sees what I'm saying. To me it is the extremes on both sides that are the problem with most things.

 

[jimbo]

I really don't understand what you are talking about. My point was, and is, that pipelines are safer than most other transportation systems. Fact is, we will be using oil and natural gas well into the future, and no amount of windmills or solar panels is going to change that. This pipeline is going to get built. If the chicoms get it, it will be shipped across the ocean in ships far more dangerous than american ships or pipelines, refined under less restrictive processes. The only reason that this pipeline has been delayed, IMO, is that it is a no win situation for the 12 Obama bid. Stalling it until after the election turns it into a non issue. Frankly, Joe, Obama cares not about your early cancer children, or your black drinking water. Just about getting reelected. Meantime, gasoline has doubled in price since his tenure in office, and we are still subsidizing alcohol, wind, solar, and a host of other green projects and making animals endangered so as to stop us from spoiling their habitat by drilling.

We differ on profit. I don't put evil in front of it as an automatic adjective. It makes jobs, provides new technologies, new products and new opportunities.

 

[joec]

I really don't understand what you are talking about. My point was, and is, that pipelines are safer than most other transportation systems. Fact is, we will be using oil and natural gas well into the future, and no amount of windmills or solar panels is going to change that. This pipeline is going to get built. If the chicoms get it, it will be shipped across the ocean in ships far more dangerous than american ships or pipelines, refined under less restrictive processes. The only reason that this pipeline has been delayed, IMO, is that it is a no win situation for the 12 Obama bid. Stalling it until after the election turns it into a non issue. Frankly, Joe, Obama cares not about your early cancer children, or your black drinking water. Just about getting reelected. Meantime, gasoline has doubled in price since his tenure in office, and we are still subsidizing alcohol, wind, solar, and a host of other green projects and making animals endangered so as to stop us from spoiling their habitat by drilling.

We differ on profit. I don't put evil in front of it as an automatic adjective. It makes jobs, provides new technologies, new products and new opportunities.

I don't know where you think I agree with Obama on this regardless. I'm simply saying I have no idea why or for what reason it is being postponed till after the election but either way it really makes little difference in the grand scheme of things. Gasoline is going to double again with or without this pipeline and it has nothing to do with any one in Washington at all. It has to do that it is now a commodity like pork bellies and subject to market speculation nothing more. Speculation is simply gambling which will run up costs over time.

 

[tiredretired]

And the Roamns went crazy because the made their goblets with lead. Not everything comes with warning instructions Joe.

True story. That's why you gotta dot all the i's and cross all the t's. Once that is done and we feel comfortable you move forward. I think BP showed us why having a plan B is so important. I think the aquifer problem can be resolved so this can move forward.

You know TR I'm beginning to think you are the only one here that really sees what I'm saying. To me it is the extremes on both sides that are the problem with most things.

Exactly Joe. As an example, I fully support nuclear power. I have worked high voltage on Vermont Yankee and I am a big fan of keeping that plant open for 20 more years. Does that mean I think we should lower our safeguards and build 200 plants in the next five years? No. It's all about common sense. What works the best within our economic system and keeps our kids safe so they can grow up old and mean like me.

 

[FrancSevin]

I really don't understand what you are talking about. My point was, and is, that pipelines are safer than most other transportation systems. Fact is, we will be using oil and natural gas well into the future, and no amount of windmills or solar panels is going to change that. This pipeline is going to get built. If the chicoms get it, it will be shipped across the ocean in ships far more dangerous than american ships or pipelines, refined under less restrictive processes. The only reason that this pipeline has been delayed, IMO, is that it is a no win situation for the 12 Obama bid. Stalling it until after the election turns it into a non issue. Frankly, Joe, Obama cares not about your early cancer children, or your black drinking water. Just about getting reelected. Meantime, gasoline has doubled in price since his tenure in office, and we are still subsidizing alcohol, wind, solar, and a host of other green projects and making animals endangered so as to stop us from spoiling their habitat by drilling.

We differ on profit. I don't put evil in front of it as an automatic adjective. It makes jobs, provides new technologies, new products and new opportunities.

Bingo Jimbo.

Name something in the form of Shovel Ready that this President has put his name behind.

The last thing he wants is for any business the government doesn't own, to succeed.

Nuff said.

There is not a thing in America, not a product, not a service, not a medicine, not a food treat, not a shelter, not a comfort, that is not a direct resullt of capitalism and the profit motive.

We don't get Strawberries in winter because the central Government thinks they are a good idea. We get them because people were willing to pay the cost. And someone, motivated not by good will but the motivation of profit, figured out how to deliver the product.