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Bloody sensitive Poms and Yanks

daedong

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OK I admit it, there is a cultural divide. Interesting, the last comment Mary and I noticed this on many occasions.

I would never address the boss other than his first name, if he or she can't handle that, well they won't be my boss.





Aussie business people too rude: survey


14-January-09 by Edited announcement





Australian business people traveling abroad are more likely to offend while doing business in America and the UK than any other country, according to an international workplace survey released today.

The Servcorp International Business Etiquette Index has uncovered that those in the United States and UK have the strictest workplace etiquette and are more easily offended by common business practices than Japan, China and the Middle East.

"Offensive" behavior includes the use of the occasional swear word, not receiving a morning greeting and use of stationery items without permission.

The study was commissioned to uncover the countries with the strictest business etiquettes and to reveal mistakes that Australian businessmen and professionals commonly make when doing business abroad.

The US and the UK were found to be among the most sensitive nations in the world, despite over three in five respondents believing that Japan has the strictest business etiquette.

English and American businessmen were more offended by people using speakerphones, bad language, not being offered a drink, personal guests of colleagues in the workplace and not receiving a morning greeting than their Japanese or Chinese counterparts.

According to the Servcorp Index, the top five most hated business behaviours globally are:

- People arriving at work and not acknowledging fellow workmates

- Not offering office guests a beverage

- Speaking loudly across the room

- Using swear words

- Taking calls on speakerphone

Almost 25 percent of Australians believe it is perfectly acceptable to use swear words on the international business stage, while almost 90 per cent of Japanese, 80 per cent of Middle East citizens, almost all English and the Americans respondents find this behaviour deeply offensive.

Similarly, over 97 per cent of all Australians wouldn't think twice about addressing their boss by their first name,
a habit that almost one in five Chinese business people found rude. Other likely mistakes to be made by Australian business people when dealing with international colleagues and partners include:

- Speaking too loudly across the room

- Taking personal calls at work

- Asking about the personal life of colleagues and business partners

Taine Moufarrige, Executive Director of Servcorp, the premium provider of serviced offices in 61 locations around the world said: "Being aware of potentially offensive behavior is a key factor to Australian business success abroad. Australians are very natural in their business style, perhaps more so than any other country in the world."

"Servcorp helps Australian businesses expand abroad by alleviating the problem of office space and allowing them to easily establish a presence internationally. With offices in 25 cities and 13 countries, and dealing with more than 10,000 business people every year using our facilities, we have experienced cultural misunderstandings first hand, and commissioned the survey to shed more light on common mistakes made by Australians doing business or working overseas."

The results of this international survey largely affirmed Australia's global reputation as a laid back nation whose business people are not easily offended, however two behaviors were found to annoy Australian business people more than their international colleagues - not buying or making a drink for colleagues and forgetting to offer guests a beverage upon arrival. Surprising?
http://www.wabusinessnews.com.au/en-story/1/69625/Aussie-business-people-too-rude-survey
 
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It's all about 'professionalism', ya dumb-arsed Aussie fawk. :slap:
 
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It's all about 'professionalism', ya dumb-arsed Aussie fawk. :slap:
That's an interesting comment, it's all about perspective of what is professional, Australians doing business with Australians are quite professional. Obviously its about outcomes, so when we deal with Poms or Yanks we evidently need to be more prim and proper. I guess that's the cultural divide that we need to deal with, but do the Poms and Yanks deal with the cultural differences when they come here to do business? I don't think so, habits die hard.
 
In some cases, youse guys are just plain wrong, you ignorant lout. For instance... speaking too loudly across a room. This disrupts other business conversations causing miscommunications and delays, which equals lost revenue. Revenue loss is not professional... anywhere. In other cases we may be wrong, but not many. :tongue:
 
It sounds like trouble is a-brewin' here at FF, and once again I see daegong is at the center of things.

But I'm not sure really, he's on my ignore list. I think it's wise.

I got sucked into a 'troll contest' yesterday and Doc and Jim had to bail me out. In reflection, I had to learn once again about cooler heads.

And so I'll return the favor, because while I vigorously debate you guys, I like it here.

Daegong is a troll, cut and dried. It appears to me that in the entire country of Australia he can't find anyone to play with, so he comes here.

And Doc provides some good advice. He'll let you debate an issue, but not attack the member who brings us that issue. Fair enough.

I believe that all of the regulars here should simply send daegong to their ignore list. It appears we cowboys have to learn what the Aussies must have known for quite sometime.

Don't do it in malice, just do it for the good of the forum. And let's face it, Doc has given us a delightful place to play. Don't track mud on his carpets.
 
Daedong is a hell of a nice guy. I have known him over the net, and as of his trip here last fall personally, for 6-7 years or so. Reading some of his projects, like the huge houseboat he built from scratch, is pretty amazing(some of those projects are on another site). He can outweld pretty much anyone I have ever known.

He also brings an international view. We have a few folks from abroad here; it is interesting to see and hear views, news, etc from outside mainstream US.

The rest of the world really does not see things the way we do for the most part. I have never been outside the US, except for a couple short vacation on the beach in Mexico. So, it is interesting to see what is going on elsewhere, and how others view things.

Quite frankly, "here" is the "world wide web". So, does he have to find someone to play with in 'Oz? This is a world wide forum. So, should we tell Galvatron to go play on the web in the UK instead of here? Ice Queen? People here rip on California regularily; should I stick to web sites just for California? Should you stick to the "Wisconsin wide web"?

It sounds like trouble is a-brewin' here at FF, and once again I see daegong is at the center of things.

But I'm not sure really, he's on my ignore list. I think it's wise.

I got sucked into a 'troll contest' yesterday and Doc and Jim had to bail me out. In reflection, I had to learn once again about cooler heads.

And so I'll return the favor, because while I vigorously debate you guys, I like it here.

Daegong is a troll, cut and dried. It appears to me that in the entire country of Australia he can't find anyone to play with, so he comes here.

And Doc provides some good advice. He'll let you debate an issue, but not attack the member who brings us that issue. Fair enough.

I believe that all of the regulars here should simply send daegong to their ignore list. It appears we cowboys have to learn what the Aussies must have known for quite sometime.

Don't do it in malice, just do it for the good of the forum. And let's face it, Doc has given us a delightful place to play. Don't track mud on his carpets.
 
He also brings an international view.

I don't think that's his goal.

But I had to ask myself, do I come here for infomation (yes, to a degree), do I come here for mechanical info (yes, quite a bit), do I come here for intelligent debates (yes, daily, in fact).

Does daegong provide any of those benefits for me? Not a bit. In fact, he deflates my urge to even open any thread where his name appears.

And stuff like the current thread is just troll bait.

I placed him on 'ignore' and never missed anything, at all. So now you have to ask yourself the question. What exactly does he bring here that's truly of value in a debate?

Just being a 'nice guy' is faint praise. I don't miss him. It seems like threads progress fine without him. And this thread proves it.
 
Daedong and I may disagree (often do) but he has the right to free speech and an audience as much as anyone else. His international view point is needed here at FF. He is vocal in his beliefs/posts as many of us are at FF. We may sometimes agree and often disagree with the way we in the US see the world thru his posts. To put someone on ignore because they are different or do not agree with you is like saying "I give up" which is the easy way out to me. Reading one side of a debate only and posting about it is wrong. Vin like many others here likes to argue his point of view, often he makes excellent posts, changes the way we may see others and even may make us think a little more about our perception of the world. I may disagree with him in principle but I still respect his views even when he was wrong that one time........ but still thought he was right.......:yum:
 
Ok, so Americans and Brits are easy to offend.

How about the opposite view - Aussies are more offensive than Americans or Brits? Look at the numbers.

Spin is a wonderful thing.
 
but he has the right to free speech and an audience

I'm not disputing any enumerated rights for anyone. I would draw the analogy to "gangsta rap music."

The "music" artists are Americans and enjoy the same freedoms that you and I share.

But just because a man is free, that doesn't guaranty that he is above criticism. I find rap music ignorant and puerile.

The same argument can be said here. Just because a member posts a thought, it doesn't mandate I agree. In fact, it doesn't mean I have to even read it.

And I have the parallel freedom to share my concerns with my friends.

I didn't order my friends to ignore this silliness, I suggested it. And I feel it's a good suggestion.

Your rebuttal?
 
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I placed him on 'ignore' and never missed anything,

My point is; how do you argue your point in this thread when you can only see one side of the argument and make judgements? You have stated above my prior post you have Vin on ignore! To open an argument in a thread and flame a member who ever it maybe and who you have on ignore when you only see half of the debate is just wrong. That is just how I see it and most likely not a representation of the management here on FF.........:whistling:

If I am going to go at with someone on FF I will also read what they are posting and give their view some thought even when I disagree. That is being open minded and respectful of others even when you disagree.....:hammer:
 
My point is; how do you argue your point in this thread when you can only see one side of the argument and make judgements?

The exchanges I have been enjoying with you and RNE228 dramatize my view.

Clearly you both have the polar end of this debate. And yet we all express some very strong and salient points and no one has "thrown a shoe."

That's my idea of an adult debate.

But when someone comes blowing in here like Hugh Jackman, but with the strengths of Nicole Kiddman, my BS meter goes off.

All you have to do is say, "Chico, I disagree." That's it.

Let me give you an example. As you know, Locutus and I are friends and knife collectors. We both have differing views on the Buck 110. He feels it is substandard in the spectrum of hard use, outdoor knives, and I defend certain vintage years of that model for its construction and alloy. (And to be fair, only that vintage.) I owned one, it served me through some abuse.

Now, are Locutus and I still friends? Why, or course! That's the adult perspective.

And in its finality, that's all I ask. To that end, daegong stays on 'ignore' until he can navigate in the world of adults.
 
To that end, daegong stays on 'ignore' until he can navigate in the world of adults.

How will you ever be able to determine the time you consider Vin adult enough, if you leave him on ignore? Are you going to rely on me or someone else to tell you that it is now okay to take Vin off ignore? I think not. I surely would not rely on anyone else to make that decision for me if I felt that way............:ermm:

Playing to a one sided argument just does not hold water on an open forum such as FF. Someone will always take an opposing view, hold your feet to the fire and take you to task if they disagree. In the end, I hope to have the ability to still see the other side of any argument and continue to disagree while remaining cyber friends....:whistling:
 
Not being funny Tourist, but Vin has been here a hell of alot longer than you have. Its a bit rich of you to say that he breezes in here and acts like a troll.
He isnt the one posting egocentric comments to almost every thread on the site and taking hacks at members who have been regulars on this site for YEARS!
 
How will you ever be able to determine the time you consider Vin adult enough, if you leave him on ignore?

Much like I make all decisions, with info from numerous sources. And this has happened before.

For example, I believe that Tractor4u and I got off on the wrong foot, but like I believe, attendance to a forum is not mandatory.

One night Locutus and I were speaking on the telephone and he told me that he had developed a deeper relationship with Tractor4u, and I should begin debates with him once again. I took that advice. And I don't regret it. I look forward to discussions with Tractor4u.

But this is a two way street. I have decades of life experiences that no doubt will benefit daegong. Just as I must use adult skills to garner a bigger audience, he must do it also.

If daegong goes over his posts, realizes like we all do that the "tongue was in gear before the brain," he might modify his discourse.

BTW, I've never held many grudges. I don't believe in them. Remeber the story on how I met my best man?
 
When I go to a foreign country. The first thing I ask is what their customs are. (before I get there)
I have no ignore list even though some posts are just a bag of self centered wind, I skim then anyway.
I like Daedong's posts.
I used to hang out on a New Zealand web site. They ALL asked the Americans to leave, I did.
I’m not asking anyone to leave FF. We have a well balanced group and all comments are accepted by myself.
 
We have a well balanced group and all comments are accepted by myself.

I agree with most of that. I believe I'm the kind of person who will listen--even change a position if the debate reflects knowledge I might not have--but I want to discern people and information for myself.

Here's a bit of insight. I don't get mad over epithets, or insults or even drunken townies. In fact, I sort of expect them.

But as a free man, I am livid about being told what to think. You know, the type of "love Obama or get a lobotomy" comments. I'll decide info for myself.

But like I said, state your case, provide me with your postulates. But that does not mean I have to swallow them.
 
Is that not a contradiction?

Not a bit. It's a 'cause and an effect.'

I saw one too many comments, I acted.

BTW, I've made my point, and I'm typing the same thing over and over again. If I can leave you with one idea it's, "Disagree but be polite." If you want to discuss the context here, please do it PM.
 
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Good morning

I guess you won't be able to read this TT but just in case you can I am sorry you feel the way you do, but not everyone in life will like you, so I can accept you thoughts.

As to being a troll let me first say I am far from a blow in, I have been around FF since it inception unlike you. I have made many personal relationships through FF, which I will always cherish, my 8 week whirlpool trip to the USA back last year was certainly not done to facilitate tolling on FF. On that trip I meet with no few than 15 members and their partners. The USA is one of the most expensive destinations in the world for an aussie to travel to yet I chose your country, Though this trip to the USA was not solely for the purpose of meeting FF members it was certainly the catalyst behind my decision of coming to the USA.

Would you please show what part of my post was trolling
and look at the first reply to my post! and tell me who was trolling?


Thanks to RNE, Mith and mtnt, rep points all round!
 
I like you Vin visit from land far far away and have many friends on my own soil just like to compare views from all angles and it dont get better than on FF......i would never class you as a Troll.....a little insane but never a troll:yum:

Vin for President :yum::yum::yum:
 
So the rest of the world finds the behavior of some Australians offense, and we're the problem?

Travis don't you get it, WE are ALWAYS the problem. We send food aid to poor nations, and we are the problem. We send search teams into foreign lands when they have earthquakes and landslides, and we are the problem. We prop up 80+% of the nations on earth with aid money, yup, you guessed it, we are the problem.
 
Travis don't you get it, WE are ALWAYS the problem. We send food aid to poor nations, and we are the problem. We send search teams into foreign lands when they have earthquakes and landslides, and we are the problem. We prop up 80+% of the nations on earth with aid money, yup, you guessed it, we are the problem.

Hey we English have payed off our WW2 debt....yea agreed it took until recent but we payed it.......

Any chance on lending me a few Bucks until after the weekend :yum::yum::yum:
 
I miss the bit where it said that Americans were the problem. Isn't the title infact claiming that the Aussies are the problem?
Aussie business people too rude
 
Not being funny Tourist, but Vin has been here a hell of alot longer than you have. Its a bit rich of you to say that he breezes in here and acts like a troll.
He isnt the one posting egocentric comments to almost every thread on the site and taking hacks at members who have been regulars on this site for YEARS!

To quote a socialist, govt teet-sucking, candy-arsed old sod that I met last year...

Spot On Sport! :thumb:
 
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