Heartless members (sushi losing job)

[Snowcat Operations]

Today I watched in horror on the news an old man I believe in Cincinnati who was hit by a car today. All this was caught on a video camera. He was hit by a car and the car sped away. There he laid in the street while people on the sidewalks watched him rither in pain. people even crossed the street and paid little attention to him other than to stop and take a picture with there cell phone. The man was alive. He is 76 years old. He is in ICU and may not live since no one cared enough to help him. AFTER ALL.........(and I can hear some members here say) well my dads dads dad never would have been hit by a car why should I help? OH he's just using the system (ambulance service).......... Come on people. Are we not the greatest nation on this planet? Are we not the most caring nation? What has happened to our compassion? What has happend to our morals. What has happend to you. Ask yourself. Some of you make me sick!

 

[pirate_girl]

I hope I don't make you sick.
After all, my job would be to make you well

 

[Melensdad]

Mike, I also saw that news story. It is sick.

I'd also like to thank you for posting this, and the title of your thread. We have a forum here titled SERIOUSLY SPEAKING it is for serious issues and joking around, poking fun and making light of situation are not appropriate in that forum.

We moderators closed that thread at Sushi's request. Honestly I don't believe we did our jobs very well. We should have closed it when it veered off track, discussed it with Sushi and asked for his input on what he wished. But we did him a disservice by not moderating it as strictly as we should have.

 

[OhioTC18]

Are we not the greatest nation on this planet? Are we not the most caring nation?

Keep in mind Sno Op, this forum is frequented by people from other nations too.

 

[Snowcat Operations]

Then most likely they have first hand knowledge about how generous we are as a nation. ALL of the other nations in the world combined dont help out as much as we do. Thats not bragging its just a fact. BUT its because we were a caring nation. Where will we be 20 years from now?

 

[American Woman]

I didn't see that. It's awful. It's hard to believe there were several witnesses and not even one stopped to help.
I feel like the majority of people care. more than that in most of the world. I think the bigger cities like that people don't have time to care. I have never seen an accident that there wasn't so many people to help that they got in each others way.

 

[OhioTC18]

Where will we be 20 years from now?

Hopefully humanity will still be a part of who and what we are, unlike some members here.

 

[Snowcat Operations]

I watched it this morning on Fox news. I am sure it will be on all the major news casts tonight.

 

[OhioTC18]

I have never seen an accident that there wasn't so many people to help that they got in each others way.

Cory, there was a major accident close to me 2 weeks ago. Three people lost their lives at the scene and one died the next day. The emergency people commented on how many people had pulled over and were video taping and snapping pictures with cell phone cameras that they were in the way of rescue people.

edit...........I forgot the part about people putting their kids up on the roof of the car to get a better view.........disgusting

 

[pirate_girl]

Sadly, some people seem to have become more or less desensitized to events going on around them.
It's a ME ME ME world.. yes- even here in our great nation.
I agree with Cory, this seems to be more of a problem in the larger cities.
In my little town, if this had happened and someone dared to take out a cell phone to snap a pic, someone's cell phone would have been shoved down his throat by one of the locals.

This story is sad.
I hope the man recovers completely.

 

[daedong]

Then most likely they have first hand knowledge about how generous we are as a nation. ALL of the other nations in the world combined dont help out as much as we do. Thats not bragging its just a fact. BUT its because we were a caring nation. Where will we be 20 years from now?

Snowcat I don't wish to get into an argument, but the USA may not be as generous as you think if you actually look at the % to GDP given.

Every nation on this planet feed its citizens false propaganda. On top of that, patriotism often falsely puts ones own nation into a better light than it often is.

I do not mean this to offend, just food for thought.

Getting back to the topic,
Its sad that the longer and larger we become urbanized we seem to lose morals that were once instinctive.

 

[American Woman]

Cory, there was a major accident close to me 2 weeks ago. Three people lost their lives at the scene and one died the next day. The emergency people commented on how many people had pulled over and were video taping and snapping pictures with cell phone cameras that they were in the way of rescue people.

edit...........I forgot the part about people putting their kids up on the roof of the car to get a better view.........disgusting

It's just sad! The ass holes putting their kids up on a roof to see it should have them taken away
Do y'all think the majority of people like this would be the younger generation? say under 30? I'm not saying ALL of them, just a bigger part of the gawkers are around that age. That's the first thing that comes to my mind.

 

[Snowcat Operations]

Daedong,
You are right about nations putting out propaganda but its not the U.S.. No other nation, not even every other nation combined matches the aid the U.S. gives the world. I encourage you to research it. You will be amazed! I know I was.

 

[fogtender]

Today I watched in horror on the news an old man I believe in Cincinnati who was hit by a car today.

There he laid in the street while people on the sidewalks watched him rither in pain. people even crossed the street and paid little attention to him other than to stop and take a picture with there cell phone.

What many people fail to realize that most of those idiots that stood around staring, didn't have a clue to what needed to be done. One or two did call 911, but even they just stood there otherwise...

I was driving down along a back road in Ohio once when I was stationed there in the Coast Guard, and passed a retirement home on my left and everyone was out across the road on my right, as I was passing, there was a car stuck into the side of a barn. I stopped to see if anyone was hurt and an older guy asked me if I knew first aid, I said I did and he told me there was a girl in the car bleeding.

There was about thirty people standing around staring at the car, where a girl who had lost control on the corner and went off the road crashing into the barn. I got into the passenger side and to get her out of the car, I had to break a piece of plastic dash that was impaling her leg. The car was smoking and the smell of gas was pretty heavy.

I carried her out as the fire department was arriving. I was really pissed off that nobody was helping when I realized that they had no clue to what to do, so they just stood around. Needless to say I was pretty disgusted that nobody had a clue, and as I go though life, I realize that very few people have a clue of what to do in any kind of an emergency, especially in the big city where most of the Sheeple live.

Moral is, don't get hurt in the city....

 

[daedong]

ALL of the other nations in the world combined dont help out as much as we do.

I can't find anything legitimate that even remotely supports this statement.

 

[daedong]

Daedong,
You are right about nations putting out propaganda but its not the U.S.. No other nation, not even every other nation combined matches the aid the U.S. gives the world. I encourage you to research it. You will be amazed! I know I was.

I am still struggling to find your claim, but I did stumble on this. It is not validated but I assume there may be some truth in it.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-5y4QGx2Tg"]YouTube - Generous Nations[/ame]

 

[sports850]

Daedong,
You are right about nations putting out propaganda but its not the U.S.. No other nation, not even every other nation combined matches the aid the U.S. gives the world. I encourage you to research it. You will be amazed! I know I was.

You might want to do a little googling before making statements like that , I realise the problem is that it's hard to verify these things but there are countless pages with information like this one http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0930884.html . All governments deal with smoke and mirrors , it's how they survive , they may word it in such a way that they give the most money in total of all the western countries or something but when you look at it per capita which is the only fair way really . If you yourself gives $10 to a charity , and 5 people each give $5 to the same charity as a group they can say they gave more even though they individually gave less .

 

[Melensdad]

One of the things that I find most interesting about charity is that no matter how you measure it, most of it seems to come from WESTERN style DEMOCRACIES that have a CHRISTIAN history.

Why is that?

 

[sports850]

One of the things that I find most interesting about charity is that no matter how you measure it, most of it seems to come from WESTERN style DEMOCRACIES that have a CHRISTIAN history.

Why is that?

Exactly , the west is evil but they'll take the money ...

 

[Galvatron]

Mike, I also saw that news story. It is sick.

I'd also like to thank you for posting this, and the title of your thread. We have a forum here titled SERIOUSLY SPEAKING it is for serious issues and joking around, poking fun and making light of situation are not appropriate in that forum.

We moderators closed that thread at Sushi's request. Honestly I don't believe we did our jobs very well. We should have closed it when it veered off track, discussed it with Sushi and asked for his input on what he wished. But we did him a disservice by not moderating it as strictly as we should have.

shurka i apologise for allowing myself to go of track in the SERIOUSLY SPEAKING area....im sure looking back it did not help matters and for that im sorry to Sushi too.

As for the elderly gent in the news im speechless...but i hold on to the faith there is more good folk out there in the world than bad.

 

[Melensdad]

Exactly , the west is evil but they'll take the money ...

Yup, don't ask the oil rich nations for cash and aid, they might send you some terrorists to undermine your democratic foundations, but they won't send you rescue teams, portable hospitals, food, financial aid, etc. Just look at what is going on in Myanmar now!!! The west WANTS to give them aid but the military dictatorship is holding everything up, and what they have allowed in has been doled out as though it was not a gift from other nations. Aid workers are not allowed in, etc. They'd prefer to let their people die and then criticize the west for being morally corrupt.

 

[daedong]

One of the things that I find most interesting about charity is that no matter how you measure it, most of it seems to come from WESTERN style DEMOCRACIES that have a CHRISTIAN history.

Why is that?

Maybe it has nothing to do with Christianity, maybe it is just to do with wealth.[FONT=&quot]
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Saudi Arabia contributes $500M to U.N. food fund Updated 5/23/2008 4:34
UNITED NATIONS (AP) — Saudi Arabia has made an unprecedented contribution of $500 million to the U.N. World Food Program to respond to rising food and fuel prices that threatened emergency aid to millions of needy people, the United Nations announced Friday.
The contribution was by far the largest response to the U.N. food agency's emergency appeal for $755 million to cover its increased costs.
Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon "warmly welcomes the offer of the landmark contribution" from Saudi Arabia, U.N. deputy spokeswoman Marie Okabe said. "The secretary-general notes that this contribution of an unprecedented size and generosity comes not a moment too soon, given the needs of millions of people dependent on food rations."
The Saudi contribution means the agency, which operates the world's largest humanitarian program, will now have the $755 million it needs to carry on its activities without cutting the amount of food given to the world's needy, Okabe said.
Josette Sheeran, the agency's executive director, said donations actually topped the appeal target — reaching $960 million from 32 countries — which means WFP will have $205 million to use for other urgent needs.

"We turned to the world to help the hungry and the world has been generous," Sheeran said in a statement issued at the agency's Rome headquarters.
"The Saudi donation will help keep many people from dying, others from slipping into malnutrition and disease, and will even help to stave off civil unrest" over soaring food prices, she said.
According to the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, Saudi Arabia produces about 9 million barrels of oil a day, making it the largest oil producer in the world. Oil prices have now topped $130 a barrel.
Ban warned last month that the rapidly escalating global food crisis has reached emergency proportions and threatens to wipe out seven years of progress in the fight against global poverty.
The secretary-general echoed World Bank President Robert Zoellick's appeal to governments to quickly provide WFP with the $500 million in emergency aid it still needed by May 1.
He warned then that even if WFP's shortfall is met, more money will probably be needed because food and fuel prices are continuing to rise.
Ban has established a top-level task force to tackle the world food crisis. He has also invited all world leaders to join him at a summit in Rome from June 3-5 organized by the U.N. Food Agriculture Organization to work out a strategy to address and overcome the crisis.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-05-23-saudi-arabia-food_N.htm

 

[RedRocker]

Snowcat I don't wish to get into an argument, but the USA may not be as generous as you think if you actually look at the % to GDP given.

What our government gives I wouldn't call charity, those are our tax dollars taken against our will. What Americans give has nothing to do with government, I don't remember the exact figures, but it was hundreds of millions after the tsunami for instance. If you want to count what the feds give, percentage of GDP doesn't mean much, if your GDP is a thousand bucks and you give it all, then that's a thousand bucks. Our GDP is billions, so 1% of that is a nice chunk of change. When the shit hits the fan on a world wide basis, folks don't look to Cuba or Russia to bail them out, it's an aircraft carrier from the USA providing power and medical facilities to shattered nations.

 

[Melensdad]

Maybe it has nothing to do with Christianity, maybe it is just to do with wealth.[FONT=&quot]
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Saudi Arabia contributes $500M to U.N. food fund

Maybe it has something to do with Christianity and you won't admit it. Maybe it has something to do with Judeo-Christian values and you won't admit it? Maybe it has something to do with a Democratic form of government and you won't admit that either?

$500M to Saudia Arabia is a drop in the bucket. And what about Yemen? UAE? Iran? Quatar? Or what about other oil rich nations like Venezuela? Oh wait, none of those have a history of Christianity or real Democracy.

 

[daedong]

What our government gives I wouldn't call charity, those are our tax dollars taken against our will. What Americans give has nothing to do with government, I don't remember the exact figures, but it was hundreds of millions after the tsunami for instance. If you want to count what the feds give, percentage of GDP doesn't mean much, if your GDP is a thousand bucks and you give it all, then that's a thousand bucks. Our GDP is billions, so 1% of that is a nice chunk of change. When the shit hits the fan on a world wide basis, folks don't look to Cuba or Russia to bail them out, it's an aircraft carrier from the USA providing power and medical facilities to shattered nations.

Yep, you're great, or at least brainwashed to believe so.

 

[daedong]

Thanks for the negative points trakternut,

at least when I disagree I post in the open forum.

 

[RedRocker]

Yep, you're great, or at least brainwashed to believe so.

And your obviously jealous, envy is one of the deadly sins you know.

 

[daedong]

And your obviously jealous, envy is one of the deadly sins you know.

[FONT=&quot]Every nation brainwashes and often misguides it citizens. The older I get the more I open my eyes to this. In Australia we were bought up with distorted facts and history regarding how great we were as a nation and were often sheltered from many unpalatable truths. This comes about trying to uphold patriotism and morale. The more patriotic one is the more one closes his eyes to the truth. Much of this truth is in very subtle forms.

I have no doubt that the same misguided truths have gone on in the USA as every other nation on the planet. There is no such thing as the good guys and the bad guys, most people are just victims of their own political system and believe in what they are taught.

Even today most Australians think they live in the greatest country, I guess they think much like most Americans.



VIN[/FONT]

 

[XeVfTEUtaAqJHTqq]

What our government gives I wouldn't call charity, those are our tax dollars taken against our will. What Americans give has nothing to do with government, I don't remember the exact figures, but it was hundreds of millions after the tsunami for instance. If you want to count what the feds give, percentage of GDP doesn't mean much, if your GDP is a thousand bucks and you give it all, then that's a thousand bucks. Our GDP is billions, so 1% of that is a nice chunk of change. When the shit hits the fan on a world wide basis, folks don't look to Cuba or Russia to bail them out, it's an aircraft carrier from the USA providing power and medical facilities to shattered nations.

Well said RR!

It's my understanding that it is hard to get an honest comparison. What has been demonstrated in the past is that "government" donations (i.e. tax dollars) are much higher (based on GDP) in other countries but "private" donations are much much higher in the USA. So basically, countries where the government does all the giving might rank higher when compared to the USA but in reality the USA private donations (through charitable organizations - mostly christian based) dwarf those of the other countries and may even dwarf governmental based donations.

The premise is that the USA attempts to reign in it's government where as countries like Australia the people prefer to be managed by their government and they can absolve themselves of their personal charity by hiding behind "government" charity.

 

[XeVfTEUtaAqJHTqq]

[FONT=&quot]Every nation brainwashes and often misguides it citizens. The older I get the more I open my eyes to this. In Australia we were bought up with distorted facts and history regarding how great we were as a nation and were often sheltered from many unpalatable truths. This comes about trying to uphold patriotism and morale. The more patriotic one is the more one closes his eyes to the truth. Much of this truth is in very subtle forms.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I have no doubt that the same misguided truths have gone on in the USA as every other nation on the planet. There is no such thing as the good guys and the bad guys, most people are just victims of their own political system and believe in what they are taught. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Even today most Australians think they live in the greatest country, I guess they think much like most Americans. [/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]VIN[/FONT]

It sure would be a bad thing to have pride in your country.