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Why don't I see the masses of Muslims condemning this 'cleric'?

RobsanX said:
That's my point. The same principle applies to Islam.
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Here's a couple from the Koran, the bible of the religion of peace
2:190-193 "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you ... And slay them wherever ye catch them ... And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in God ..."
2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth and ye know not."
2:224 "Then fight in the cause of God and know that God heareth and knoweth all things."
3:157-158 "And if ye are slain or die in the way of God, forgiveness and mercy from God are far better than all they could amass. And if ye die, or are slain, Lo! It is unto God that ye are brought together."
3:169 "Think not of those who are slain in God's way as dead. Nay, they live finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord."
3:195 "... Those who have ... fought or been slain, verily I will blot out from them their iniquities and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath; a reward from the presence of God ..."
4:101 "... For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
4:74, 75 "Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of God whether he is slain or gets victory, soon shall we give him a reward of great (value). Those who believe fight in the cause of God and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil, so fight ye against the friends of Satan, feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
4:89 "They but wish that ye should reject faith as they do, and thus be on the same footing as they. But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of God. But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them…"
4:95 "Not equal are those believers who sit at (at home) and receive no hurt and those who strive and fight in the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than those who sit (at home).
5:36 "The punishment of those who wage war against God and His apostle and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter."
5:54 "O ye who believe. Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust."
8:12-17 "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips off them. This because they contend against God and his apostle. If any contend against God and his apostle, God is strict in punishment ... O ye who believe. When ye meet the unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day, unless it be a stratagem of war ... he draws on himself the wrath of God and his abode is Hell, an evil refuge (indeed)."
8:59-60 "Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly). They will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know ..."
8:65 "O apostle! Rouse the believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred. If a hundred they will vanquish a thousand of the unbelievers, for these are a people without understanding."
9:5 "... fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ..."
9:14 "Fight them, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame ..."
9:29 "Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and his apostle nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay the Jizya [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
47:4 "Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers, smite at their necks, at length when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them) ... but if it had been God's will, he could certainly have exacted retribution from them (himself), but (he lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of God, he will never let their deeds be lost."
61:4 "Truly God loves those who fight in His cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."
 
Misconstrued, deliberately misquoted and ignorantly transliterated. Thanks Rob, we recognize your attempt to do research.
 
RobsanX said:
Here's 1,200 from the Bible...

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
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Ooh, impressive. You quote some guy named Steve Wells who admits his formal training is in botany and mathematics. He has said that he has "a B.S. in Botany.

I'm glad you do such great research and come up with such wonderful information that has so much credence. Your author has now gotten into quoting The Book of Mormon. Ha! Please tell me, and be specific, precisely which Book of Mormon. Since you've clearly done your homework, you'll know that the Book of Mormon has been changed well over 3000 times as prophesies given by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, just to name a couple, have since been proven false.

Brigham wrote in great detail about the men and women living on the moon. He went into great detail about how they dressed, how they lived, and even how they were much taller than we are. But, since Brigham is considered a prophet and, you know what it does to a prophet if their prophecy is false, which version are you quoting?

The Qur'an was said to have been written over the course of 26 years. That would certainly imply that great care would have been taken to assure that there wouldn't be mass misinterpretations that could hijack a peaceful and loving religion into one that has been the single most quotes source for war in the last quarter century. How can this be? I do not speak Arabic, Farsi or any other religion which would most likely have a better interpretation of the Qur'an than English would. Still, the people who spend many hours every single day of their lives studying this amazing body or work certainly would rise up and take their religion back from extremists who claim that the Qur'an instructs them to kill all non-believers.

I feel that most anyone would be a better source than the botany and mathematics major you quote. Certainly that isn't the best you can do, is it?
 
Dargo said:
Ooh, impressive. You quote some guy named Steve Wells who admits his formal training is in botany and mathematics. He has said that he has "a B.S. in Botany.

I feel that most anyone would be a better source than the botany and mathematics major you quote. Certainly that isn't the best you can do, is it?
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I listen to you. What are your qualifications?
 
RobsanX said:
I listen to you. What are your qualifications?
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Well, to be totally honest, slightly better than Wells. I did have a double major in English and Political Science and a minor in history. Thus, my own justification that my qualifications are 'slightly' better than Wells.

I really do not think you desire anything different than I. However, I am disappointed that I see almost zero press of Muslims protesting their radical factions. Maybe there are large groups who do. We both know that it's impossible to find the "perfect" news source. That's why I browse several different sources. Would we agree on this?
 
Dargo said:
Well, to be totally honest, slightly better than Wells. I did have a double major in English and Political Science and a minor in history. Thus, my own justification that my qualifications are 'slightly' better than Wells.

I really do not think you desire anything different than I. However, I am disappointed that I see almost zero press of Muslims protesting their radical factions. Maybe there are large groups who do. We both know that it's impossible to find the "perfect" news source. That's why I browse several different sources. Would we agree on this?
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I definitely agree on looking at many sources of information.

Getting back to this "cleric", the article states that he is in hiding. If a religious figure goes into hiding, I don't think that they are expressing a mainstream point of view.

I don't think it's appropriate to condemn an entire religion because there are not major protests against this minor league criminal crackpot.
 
Rob, please, read the words. I'm not condemning Islam. I'm expressing concern and disappointment that either the media is dropping the ball on coverage or there isn't appropriately insulted masses of Muslims making themselves heard that this 'cleric' (I put 'cleric' in notation marks because I do NOT consider this radical fool a cleric - that's a pipe dream for him; he's nothing but a terrorist). Even a local TV station sent someone to a local mosque about this terrorist 'cleric' asking for a response. All they got was "no comment". :ermm: That's not exactly what I'd expect from a religion who supposedly opposes terrorism and radicals.

The chat sites locally here lit up like a Christmas tree after the "no comment" from the local mosque. One person who claims to be a member there said that they have to wait until they receive orders from overseas as to how they are to respond. Honestly, I see a problem with that response. Seriously, it would be a complete non-issue for me if the local mosque just said "That person is a radical who clearly misinterprets our religion and does not speak for us nor our beliefs". Unfortunately, that isn't what happened. As I said, this is disturbing.
 
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