Now something on the exteme right violence in this country

[joec]

Ok now guys don't attack me as I'm simply posting what West Point Military Academy put out in their report recently. It is titled "THE COMBATING TERRORISM CENTER AT WEST POINT". This is a PDF file so downloaded and read it then draw your own conclusions on it if you wish.

http://www.ctc.usma.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/ChallengersFromtheSidelines.pdf

 

[Melensdad]

Joe, I saw this the other day.

Strikes me as funny, as I was reading it, that the "violent right" that they refer to actually is not violent.

Oh, there is POTENTIAL for violent action from the right, if for no other reason than the right disagrees with socialism that was brought into the White House. There is POTENTIAL for violence from the right, because mostly the right has the guns.

But the fact of the matter is that the right is also more law abiding than the left.

Even looking at the mass shootings, most have been committed by people who lean left or are hard left loonies.

 

[joec]

Joe, I saw this the other day.

Strikes me as funny, as I was reading it, that the "violent right" that they refer to actually is not violent.

Oh, there is POTENTIAL for violent action from the right, if for no other reason than the right disagrees with socialism that was brought into the White House. There is POTENTIAL for violence from the right, because mostly the right has the guns.

But the fact of the matter is that the right is also more law abiding than the left.

Even looking at the mass shootings, most have been committed by people who lean left or are hard left loonies.

I guess our perceptions of what the report said are different. Perhaps it is a fact that all people see reality through the lens of their own views. Guns really had little to do with this as those they picked out are those using the "wanting to keep the status quo" as the extreme right, while those on progressive side see a better future and welcome the change it might bring. Oh and I guess you didn't read all of it as all was based on actually violence committed acts.

 

[FrancSevin]

It's Your title Joec. Melen'sdad is looking thru the lens of your title.

Titles mean everything and simply calling an extreme group with a label, that they are from the right doesn't mean they are.

Extreme views are just that,extreme,outside the norm. right or left they are to be considered if we are to consider the threat of civil violence. But, given that premise, one has to wonder for why such violence the government feels it now needs to be prepared. And why only fromthose onthe right.

Let's see, We had TEA party rallys all over the nation. Any civil unrest, garbage, anarchial behavior, defecation on property, Damage to property, interruption of business, assaults or violence? Nope, none to speak of

Occupy Wall street protesters,,,,,,yeah, they were the epitome of Ghandi.

I would suggest the labels are misleading on purpose. If the military was in preparation for another more violent version of the civil disobediance we saw from that OW crowd of miscreants and had labeled it as such, the press would be merciless in vetting and condemming the program.

Just as the title of this thread is misleading, the very claiming to be in preperation for disobedience from the right should be chilling. Either that target group has become the declared enemy for camoflage, or more likely, for politics.

Remember the Jews of Germany.

Now, along with the rich, we villify those American citizens on the the political right. What event or events predicated such a decision? Is there one? None comes tomind. So,,,,,,Why would this administration feel the need to protect itself and the government they now control, from patriots?

 

[Kane]

Perhaps the easiest comparision is to contrast the Tea Party to the Occupy Wall Street crowd. Nearly one million conservatives went to the DC Mall and left without a scrap of trash or a single arrest. OTOH, the OWS protests resulted in violence, rape, multiple arrests and fetid squalor.

The contrast is stark and belies the unfounded and misleading report above.


EDIT , Franc ... got me by a minute.

 

[joec]

It's Your title Joec. Melen'sdad is looking thru the lens of your title.

Titles mean everything and simply calling an extreme group with a label, that they are from the right doesn't mean they are.

Extreme views are just that,extreme,outside the norm. right or left they are to be considered if we are to consider the threat of civil violence. But, given that premise, one has to wonder for why such violence the government feels it now needs to be prepared. And why only fromthose onthe right.

Let's see, We had TEA party rallys all over the nation. Any civil unrest, garbage, anarchial behavior, defecation on property, Damage to property, interruption of business, assaults or violence? Nope, none to speak of

Occupy Wall street protesters,,,,,,yeah, they were the epitome of Ghandi.

I would suggest the labels are misleading on purpose. If the military was in preparation for another more violent version of the civil disobediance we saw from that OW crowd of miscreants and had labeled it as such, the press would be merciless in vetting and condemming the program.

Just as the title of this thread is misleading, the very claiming to be in preperation for disobedience from the right should be chilling. Either that target group has become the declared enemy for camoflage, or more likely, for politics.

Remember the Jews of Germany.

Now, along with the rich, we villify those American citizens on the the political right. What event or events predicated such a decision? Is there one? None comes tomind. So,,,,,,Why would this administration feel the need to protect itself and the government they now control, from patriots?

Ok the title was wrong as I didn't have a title would get people to read it that was better. However it worked in that I assume you read it. Funny how my other post got no response that I posted just before this on but this did. Perhaps that title didn't peak anyone interest or is it possible every one agreed with it.

Oh and I personally have no opinion on this report by west point really. Saw it found it interesting and posted it here. Especially after reading all the shit about the Tea Party vs Occupy movement neither of which fall into the groups this report is talking about as neither really had much violence other than the police violence on them.

 

[joec]

Perhaps the easiest comparision is to contrast the Tea Party to the Occupy Wall Street crowd. Nearly one million conservatives went to the DC Mall and left without a scrap of trash or a single arrest. OTOH, the OWS protests resulted in violence, rape, multiple arrests and fetid squalor.

The contrast is stark and belies the unfounded and misleading report above.


EDIT , Franc ... got me by a minute.

And a lot of hippies ascended on a farm in New York State for a concert in the 70's too, stoned on there ass with no violence in spite of no comforts either now do that with a just a dozen drunks. So that is a comparison of what you just gave me apples to oranges.

 

[mla2ofus]

And a lot of hippies ascended on a farm in New York State for a concert in the 70's too, stoned on there ass with no violence in spite of no comforts either now do that with a just a dozen drunks. So that is a comparison of what you just gave me apples to oranges.

Yes, I guess you could say Kane gave a comparison of apples and oranges. One group to the right and one to the left. Now whether either is "extreme" is the opinion of the beholder.
Mike

 

[joec]

Yes, I guess you could say Kane gave a comparison of apples and oranges. One group to the right and one to the left. Now whether either is "extreme" is the opinion of the beholder.
Mike

And again has nothing at all to do with the extreme right wing groups referred to in the report all of which have either committed violence or attempted it. Those as described in the report are broken into 3 groups. The first on racial lines, the second simply against government and the third religious grounds as a reason for their violence. None of these really have anything to do with either the tea party or the occupy crowd as stated by me. It really has little to do with democrats or republicans but US grown extremist period.

So perhaps you should read it before commenting on what is OP is originally about instead of a comment made here by someone that probably didn't read it either. Just saying as it would make these discussions go so much smoother if they at least attempted to cover what was posted.

 

[FrancSevin]

And again has nothing at all to do with the extreme right wing groups referred to in the report all of which have either committed violence or attempted it. Those as described in the report are broken into 3 groups. The first on racial lines, the second simply against government and the third religious grounds as a reason for their violence. None of these really have anything to do with either the tea party or the occupy crowd as stated by me. It really has little to do with democrats or republicans but US grown extremist period.

So perhaps you should read it before commenting on what is OP is originally about instead of a comment made here by someone that probably didn't read it either. Just saying as it would make these discussions go so much smoother if they at least attempted to cover what was posted.

The Title just talked about "Extreme right violence"
And had your name on it.

It is what it is Joec.
Relative moralism won't equivocate or mitigate that.

Dishonest at best.

 

[joec]

The Title just talked about "Extreme right violence"
And had your name on it.

It is what it is Joec.
Relative moralism won't equivocate or mitigate that.

Dishonest at best.

You know you need to apply to replace Frank Luntz as the GOP word master. You manage to twist everything posted into some point to argue with.

Just read it then get back to me about it or don't bother with either. Like I haven't read a 100 titles of posts as well as headline that had little bearing on what it was about here.

 

[FrancSevin]

You know you need to apply to replace Frank Luntz as the GOP word master. You manage to twist everything posted into some point to argue with.

Just read it then get back to me about it or don't bother with either. Like I haven't read a 100 titles of posts as well as headline that had little bearing on what it was about here.

Thanks, but I'm happy to be doing it here Joec.

You often project your points with hostile ambiguity. And then sometimes you even make sense. I just try to sort them out.

Keep tossing bunk and I'll shovel it aside. No worries.

 

[mla2ofus]

You manage to twist everything posted into some point to argue with.

Like I told Al the other day, don't throw stones in a glass house.
Mike

 

[joec]

Ok guys this report isn't talking about conservatives or what is commonly referred to as right we are talking extreme right such as neo Nazis groups, people that blow up abortion clinics, killing doctors in some cases etc. You know like some on the extreme left that believe is doing similar things in the name of animal rights. It is how the people are refereed to on a political scale of left and right. Ether way we are talking extreme not mainstream of either party. Now if you didn't read it then you don't seem to get that and jump to conclusions about what it means. The violence from the groups in general has rose to 100% increase in 2008 but has been in a steady increase since the 70's in the USA. It is more so than from the extreme left groups also. At any rate I posted the article so you make up your own minds and at this point I'm sorry to have bothered.

 

[leadarrows]

Doctors do not work in abortion clinics. Those people are butchers. Doctors take The Hippocratic Oath

Just saying.

I swear by Apollo, the healer, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath and agreement:
To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art; and that by my teaching, I will impart a knowledge of this art to my own sons, and to my teacher's sons, and to disciples bound by an indenture and oath according to the medical laws, and no others.
I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.
I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.
But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.
I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.
In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or men, be they free or slaves.
All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.
If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all humanity and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my life.

 

[joec]

Doctors do not work in abortion clinics. Those people are butchers. Doctors take The Hippocratic Oath

Just saying.

Well I will stray off topic enough to remind you that according to the current laws a woman has the right in the first trimester to have an abortion with no interference or permission from the state till it gets further along. Now that is the facts and not agreeing make no difference regardless of ones beliefs.

 

[FrancSevin]

Well I will stray off topic enough to remind you that according to the current laws a woman has the right in the first trimester to have an abortion with no interference or permission from the state till it gets further along. Now that is the facts and not agreeing make no difference regardless of ones beliefs.

Nothing in the Constitution, specificaly gives her that right. And most scholars agree, such would not have even been considered a legitimate case to bring before the court for most of our nation's history.

But the more progressive Supreme Court, as convened in 1973, has ruled otherwise.

Think about that as the left nibbles away at the 2nd amendment.

 

[leadarrows]

I don't care about the law....the laws in this country allow the murder of unborn humans..I have no respect for the laws in this land anymore...they have been corrupted to the point of being meaningless.
If you have to kill it it was living....killing humans is murder.

I do care about right and wrong....murder is wrong.

There is no gray area about this accept in the minds of those willing to lie to themselves for reasons I can not fathom.

 

[Kane]

If and when conservatives turn to violence, it will be well metered and thoughtfully applied to the appropriate antagonist. Liberals, on the other hand, have often turned to violence on mere emotion but historically seem to burn, loot and soil their own nests.

A significant contrast, don't you think?
.

 

[SShepherd]

I lol'd at this, considering some friends in the military shared it with me...

here's an opinion on it;

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-new-threat-to-us-army-anti.html

this says it pretty clearly;
" Apparently, however, Perliger is now branching out, into a subject about which he apparently knows exactly . . . dick. First evidence? Look at his sources listed on his website:"

 

[FrancSevin]

The Christian Patriot label found purchase wiyth the general public in 1995 because of reports that Timothy McVeigh had joined a right wing militia group prior to his actions in Oklahoma city.

What the left driven media failed to root out of the Anti Christian patriot movement Hoax was an intentional ommision that the militia Timothy joined booted him out because they considered him to be "violent." Hence the successful birth of the term Right wing Christian extremist"

Apparently in modern news publication,,,,the inconveniece of facts should not effect the pursuit of an agenda.

The term is still common in the venachular of the MSM and the politicians they support.