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If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?

Bamby

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IMHO this is well worth reading....

If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?

Written by: Dean Garrison

I feel a tremendous responsibility to write this article though I am a little apprehensive. Thinking about the possibility of rising up against our own government is a frightening thing for many of us. I am not Johnny Rambo and I will be the first to admit that I do not want to die. The reason I feel compelled to write this, however, is simply because I don’t think the average American is equipped with the facts. I feel that a lot of American citizens feel like they have no choice but to surrender their guns if the government comes for them. I blame traditional media sources for this mass brainwash and I carry the responsibility of all small independent bloggers to tell the truth. So my focus today is to lay out your constitutional rights as an American, and let you decide what to do with those rights.

About a month ago I let the “democracy” word slip in a discussion with a fellow blogger. I know better. Americans have been conditioned to use this term. It’s not an accurate term and it never has been a correct term to describe our form of government. The truth is that the United States of America is a constitutional republic. This is similar to a democracy because our representatives are selected by democratic elections, but ultimately our representatives are required to work within the framework of our constitution. In other words, even if 90% of Americans want something that goes against our founding principles, they have no right to call for a violation of constitutional rights.

If you are religious you might choose to think of it this way… Say that members of your congregation decide that mass fornication is a good thing. Do they have the right to change the teachings of your God? The truth is the truth. It doesn’t matter how many people try to stray from it. Did I just compare our founders to God? In a way I did, but please note that I am not trying to insult anyone. For the purpose of the American Government our constitution and founders who wrote it are much like God is to believers. It is the law. It is indisputable.

Our founders did not want a “democracy” for they feared a true democracy was just as dangerous as a monarchy. The founders were highly educated people who were experienced in defending themselves against tyranny. They understood that the constitution could protect the people by limiting the power of anyone to work outside of it much better than a pure system of popularity. A system of checks and balances was set up to help limit corruption of government and also the potential for an “immoral majority” developing within the American People. We have forgotten in this country that we are ultimately ruled by a constitution.

Why is a democracy potentially just as dangerous as a monarchy? Let’s look at something that Benjamin Franklin said because it answers that question more fully and succinctly than I can.

Quote:
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -Benjamin Franklin
Even 230+ years ago our founders were perceptive enough to realize that democracy was a dangerous form of government. How so? Because the citizens of a country can become just as corrupt as any government. We have seen evidence of this throughout history. Ask Native Americans and African-Americans if this population can become corrupt.

I think in 2012 we are seeing evidence of what Franklin was trying to tell us. Just because a majority of people may support certain ideas it does not mean that those ideas are just. In simple terms, just because most Americans love our president and voted for him, it does not mean that he has the power to go against our constitutional rights.

Next I’d like to review the text of the second amendment. It is very clear. This is the law of this land. So when Senator Feinstein or President Obama talk about taking your guns, you need to think about something. Are they honoring their sworn oath to uphold the constitution?

Quote:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
This is a pretty clear statement. The fact is that it took 232 years for the Supreme Court to even rule on this amendment because it has never been successfully challenged. In 2008 a case of Columbia v. Heller the Supreme Court ruled that a handgun ban in Washington D.C. was unconstitutional. One also has to take this into consideration. The Supreme Court supports your right to own guns. If you want to research this decision further you can start here.

For those who try to debate the spirit of the 2nd amendment, they are truly no different from people who will try to take Biblical quotes out of context to try to support their immoral decisions. The founders were very clear on the intent of the 2nd amendment. Let me share a few quick quotes here:

Quote:
The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson

Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. -George Washington

The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. -Samuel Adams
I could find hundreds of quotes like these. This country was built on the right to bear arms. It was built on the rights of an individual to bear arms, regardless of what his government or neighbor happened to think. This is crystal clear. Ironically the people who voice their opinions against this right have their free speech protected by your guns. Without guns in this country, all other amendments become null and void, simply because “We the People” will lose our power of enforcement.

We need to keep this in mind as our “representatives” try to push gun bans. I don’t care if 99% of people are in support of gun bans (which is far from the case), it is a violation of our constitutional rights, plain and simple.

A constitutional republic protects the rights of the individual even when their ideas are very much in the minority. If I were the only person in America who believed in the 2nd amendment, I would still be within my rights to call upon it. You would all think I was insane and possibly celebrate if I was gunned down, but in the end I would be the only true American among us.

Our framers were very clear on this. If my government comes to take my guns, they are violating one of my constitutional rights that is covered by the 2nd amendment.

It is not my right, at that point, but my responsibility to respond in the name of liberty. What I am telling you is something that many are trying to soft sell, and many others have tried to avoid putting into print, but I am going to say it. The time for speaking in code is over.

If they come for our guns then it is our constitutional right to put them six feet under. You have the right to kill any representative of this government who tries to tread on your liberty. I am thinking about self-defense and not talking about inciting a revolution. Re-read Jefferson’s quote. He talks about a “last resort.” I am not trying to start a Revolt, I am talking about self-defense. If the day for Revolution comes, when no peaceful options exist, we may have to talk about that as well. None of us wants to think about that, but please understand that a majority can not take away your rights as an American citizen. Only you can choose to give up your rights.

Congress could pass gun ban legislation by a 90%+ margin and it just would not matter. I think some people are very unclear on this. This is the reason we have a Supreme Court, and though I do not doubt that the Supreme Court can also become corrupt, in 2008 they got it right. They supported the constitution. It does not matter what the majority supports because America is not a democracy. A constitutional republic protects the rights of every single citizen, no matter what their “elected servants” say. A majority in America only matters when the constitution is not in play.

I just wrote what every believer in the constitution wants to say, and what every constitutional blogger needs to write. The truth of the matter is that this type of speech is viewed as dangerous and radical or subversive, and it could gain me a world of trouble that I do not want. It is also the truth. To make myself clear I will tell you again. If they come for your guns it is your right to use those guns against them and to kill them. You are protected by our constitution.

Most of the articles I am reading on the subject are trying to give you clues without just coming out and saying it. I understand that because certain things in this country will get you on a list that you don’t want to be on. I may well be on that list. This blog is small and growing so I may not be there yet, but I have dreams. I also have my own list of subversives and anyone who attempts to deny my constitutional rights is on that list.

I am not the “subversive” here, it is the political representatives who are threatening to take away my inalienable rights. If they come to take my guns and I leave a few of them wounded or dead, and I somehow survive, I have zero doubt that I will spend a long time in prison and may face an execution. But I would much rather be a political prisoner than a slave.

If I go down fighting then I was not fighting to harm these human beings. I was simply defending my liberty and yours. It is self-defense and it is what our country was built on. We won our freedom in self-defense. We would not be ruled by a tyrannical government in the 1770′s and we will not be ruled in 2012 by a tyrannical government. There is no difference.

This is a case of right and wrong. As of now the 2nd amendment stands. It has never been repealed. If Feinstein or Barack have a problem with the constitution then they should be removed from office. They are not defending the constitution which they have sworn an oath to protect. It is treasonous to say the least. They would likely say the same about me, but I have the constitution, the founders, and the supreme court on my side. They only have their inflated egos.

I am not writing this to incite people. I am writing this in hopes that somehow I can make a tiny difference. I have no idea how many of my neighbors have the will to defend their constitutional rights. 2%? 20%? I am afraid that 20% is a high number, unfortunately. When push comes to shove many people may give up and submit to being ruled. I believe that our government is banking on this.

What I do know is that this country was founded by people who had balls the size of Texas and Patriotic Americans take shit off of no one, especially our own government. For evidence of that, you might research the Revolutionary War. My question is how many Patriots are left?

I would hope that our officials come to realize that, regardless of our numbers, we still exist because they are calling Patriotic Americans to action. They are making us decide if we want to die free or submit to their rule. I can not tell you where you should stand on that. I do know that it may make the difference between living a life of freedom or slavery.

You must start thinking about this because I believe that the day is coming soon and I personally believe it has already been planned. Not all conspiracy theories are hogwash. They may throw down the gauntlet soon and my suggestion is that you prepare yourself to react.

I mean no disrespect to our elected officials but they need to understand that “We the People” will not be disarmed. If they proceed then it is they that are provoking us and we will act accordingly. We are within our rights to do so.

For those who are in support of taking the guns, you need to ask yourself a very important question, and I am not just talking about the politicians, because if you support them, you have chosen your side.

Are you willing to die to take my guns?
 
Sure if you wish to die you can. Now I choose to live to fight another day. Now who is coming for your guns? I really need to know so I will know them when they show up. Now I've read some stuff in this forum lately that could fill an 100 Christmas turkeys with especially on guns and government.
 
Sure if you wish to die you can. Now I choose to live to fight another day. Now who is coming for your guns? I really need to know so I will know them when they show up. Now I've read some stuff in this forum lately that could fill an 100 Christmas turkeys with especially on guns and government.

I'll riddle you back with this:

In 1687, English mathematician and natural philosopher Isaac Newton published a groundbreaking scientific work about the three basic axioms which govern the mechanics of the world around us. Today we call them the Laws of Motion.

Colloquially, the first Law of Motion states that an object at rest (or in motion) will stay at rest (or in motion) unless acted upon by an external force.

In physics, this is known as inertia. It’s a physical property that exists in all matter– rocks, trees, air molecules, etc. will all maintain their current states of being until something else comes along to force a change.

People too, I suppose.

I was thinking about this yesterday evening after a rather disturbing conversation with a friend of mine from the US. He told me a story about how he had recently been walking his dog in a local park. The dog managed to get itself tangled up, so he paused and briefly removed the leash to fix it.

Thankfully, a courageous city worker witnessed this act of criminal terrorism and wrote my friend a citation. The fine is just shy of $100. The kicker is that, if he doesn’t pay, animal control will show up to his house and confiscate the dog.

I was floored. Since when did pets become chattels of one’s estate… assets on a balance sheet to be seized by the state?

Ironically, my friend and his wife are expecting their first child. I remember thinking to myself ‘what makes you think the same thing won’t happen with your child one of these days…?’

Of course, we know this happens too. Governments have entire departments of to take children away from their parents, not to mention court systems to devastate families. How strange a system of ‘justice’ where a man sitting behind a bench can rule in his sole discretion that a father cannot see his daughter…

It doesn’t stop there. We’ve seen cops in full Gestapo gear going after criminal masterminds who choose to drink raw milk… or jailing dastardly villains who collect rainwater. All while those who legislate the system debate the merits of trillion dollar coins.

It really makes me wonder sometimes why people put up with it all. Is it the plethora of vapid shopping malls and cookie cutter chain restaurants? Is it the endless stream of mind-numbing entertainment? Is it all the great deals on car insurance?

No. It’s the inertia.

After a lifetime of steady propaganda, the citizen is now like an object at rest… subordinate to the state. And the citizen will remain that way until acted upon by an external force. A change agent. It’s easier, normal, and natural to just keep things as they are, no matter how bizarre or risky the future outlook.

The state, meanwhile, is like an object in motion… a deep, downward spiraling motion, representing terminal social and civil decline.

Is there an external force that can change this? You bet. Like Wyle E. Coyote who runs off the edge of the cliff, it’s the force of the canyon floor below that will finally stop the downward motion of the state. Anything else is so small, it would be like trying to hold up the Titanic with a pair of toddler swimming pool floaties.

These major themes, like the economic decline of the West, the restructuring of the nation state, and the unraveling of the fiat money system, are the major trends of our day. And they are of historical significance.

The world is changing. Not coming to an end. Changing. But the social, financial, and geopolitical ramifications of these trends are far too great for anyone to ignore. Or to remain at rest.
 
I'll riddle you back with this:

In 1687, English mathematician and natural philosopher Isaac Newton published a groundbreaking scientific work about the three basic axioms which govern the mechanics of the world around us. Today we call them the Laws of Motion.

Colloquially, the first Law of Motion states that an object at rest (or in motion) will stay at rest (or in motion) unless acted upon by an external force.

In physics, this is known as inertia. It’s a physical property that exists in all matter– rocks, trees, air molecules, etc. will all maintain their current states of being until something else comes along to force a change.

People too, I suppose.

I was thinking about this yesterday evening after a rather disturbing conversation with a friend of mine from the US. He told me a story about how he had recently been walking his dog in a local park. The dog managed to get itself tangled up, so he paused and briefly removed the leash to fix it.

Thankfully, a courageous city worker witnessed this act of criminal terrorism and wrote my friend a citation. The fine is just shy of $100. The kicker is that, if he doesn’t pay, animal control will show up to his house and confiscate the dog.

I was floored. Since when did pets become chattels of one’s estate… assets on a balance sheet to be seized by the state?

Ironically, my friend and his wife are expecting their first child. I remember thinking to myself ‘what makes you think the same thing won’t happen with your child one of these days…?’

Of course, we know this happens too. Governments have entire departments of to take children away from their parents, not to mention court systems to devastate families. How strange a system of ‘justice’ where a man sitting behind a bench can rule in his sole discretion that a father cannot see his daughter…

It doesn’t stop there. We’ve seen cops in full Gestapo gear going after criminal masterminds who choose to drink raw milk… or jailing dastardly villains who collect rainwater. All while those who legislate the system debate the merits of trillion dollar coins.

It really makes me wonder sometimes why people put up with it all. Is it the plethora of vapid shopping malls and cookie cutter chain restaurants? Is it the endless stream of mind-numbing entertainment? Is it all the great deals on car insurance?

No. It’s the inertia.

After a lifetime of steady propaganda, the citizen is now like an object at rest… subordinate to the state. And the citizen will remain that way until acted upon by an external force. A change agent. It’s easier, normal, and natural to just keep things as they are, no matter how bizarre or risky the future outlook.

The state, meanwhile, is like an object in motion… a deep, downward spiraling motion, representing terminal social and civil decline.

Is there an external force that can change this? You bet. Like Wyle E. Coyote who runs off the edge of the cliff, it’s the force of the canyon floor below that will finally stop the downward motion of the state. Anything else is so small, it would be like trying to hold up the Titanic with a pair of toddler swimming pool floaties.

These major themes, like the economic decline of the West, the restructuring of the nation state, and the unraveling of the fiat money system, are the major trends of our day. And they are of historical significance.

The world is changing. Not coming to an end. Changing. But the social, financial, and geopolitical ramifications of these trends are far too great for anyone to ignore. Or to remain at rest.

:wow:I think my head will explode with that response. :yum:
 
Study the current laws of your state, gentlemen, and then one by one, report your questionable firearms as LOST. Do it now, before it's too late. Because you know how tippy those canoes can be.
 
Considering that Australia has something like a 19% compliance rate with their confiscation and Canada only had about a 30% compliance rate with their registry, I suspect any attempts here will be futile except for those that openly flaunt the law or actively participate.

I think massive civil disobedience will prevail until the next administration change.
 
Considering that Australia has something like a 19% compliance rate with their confiscation and Canada only had about a 30% compliance rate with their registry, I suspect any attempts here will be futile except for those that openly flaunt the law or actively participate.

I think massive civil disobedience will prevail until the next administration change.

Now the question was would you fight if the come for your guns now will you refuse to register or surrender your guns if asked or demanded. Fighting and armed force coming to get it is one thing while giving it up willingly because they demand or ask is another.
 
Does anybody know who "they" are?

Does anybody know how much "they" are gonna get paid for this service?

Does anybody know anybody that would sign up for this duty?
 
Does anybody know who "they" are?

Does anybody know how much "they" are gonna get paid for this service?

Does anybody know anybody that would sign up for this duty?

Don't ask bilbo, as I asked "Now who is coming for your guns?" That got me a half of a page essay on mathematics and Issac Newton. :yum:
 
Sure if you wish to die you can. Now I choose to live to fight another day. Now who is coming for your guns? I really need to know so I will know them when they show up. Now I've read some stuff in this forum lately that could fill an 100 Christmas turkeys with especially on guns and government.

How sure are you "another day" will come? Do you have a secret bunker?
Mike
 
Now the question was would you fight if the come for your guns now will you refuse to register or surrender your guns if asked or demanded. Fighting and armed force coming to get it is one thing while giving it up willingly because they demand or ask is another.

Joe, I hope they get yours first because you deserve it! If they come for our guns they are defying the Constitution but then you could give a shit. I'll go to jail before I give them my guns.
 
Joe, I hope they get yours first because you deserve it! If they come for our guns they are defying the Constitution but then you could give a shit. I'll go to jail before I give them my guns.

You know BD you talk a good game, but like most that brag about what bad assess they are usually aren't.

Fact is who is coming to take your guns? A simple question, also how do they know you have a gun? There is no registry so they either have to go through every gun shop in the USA and get names and addresses which for the most part is not only practical period even if they used the army they wouldn't have the man power and what about the 40% not sold through a gun shop with a record. It is about time you stopped letting your delusions control simple common sense. Now it isn't that I don't care there is little I can do to stop it from happening. Now when it does I can deal with it in my own way without the treats or bad ass remarks like the only way you get my gun is out of my cold dead hand. It could happen when you take on a force stronger than you. It is about time you grow up already.
 
How sure are you "another day" will come? Do you have a secret bunker?
Mike

Nope no secret bunker and if they ask they can have mine no problem. I will get another when needed if I have to take it out of the authorities dead hand.
 
I don't believe it is my responsibility to fight. But I do believe I have no responsibility to anyone, or any entity, to give up that which is a Natural right.

So I will not give any such right away.

Not for peace
Not for law
Not for my security
Not for my Estate
Not for my safety

Not for my freedom.

I have European ancestors who fought in the Revolution
I have Indigenous ancestors who fought the White settlers and their government.
I have ancestor who were brought here against their will an soldd to slavery.
I have ancestors and relatives who fought in almost all of the major conflicts of our nation.

Win or lose,,,they fought for their children and their way of life. As a duty. One could call it responsibility but truely, it is a duty one must do to be a member of any community.

My ancestors felt a Duty to do so.
I feel a duty to them.
And to my children.

Joec asked "who is coming for our guns?" Such a question completely ignores the history of those who have been coming for all of our rights, one way or another, since the nation was founded.

"Liberty is much easier to win, than to keep. It can only be kept safe and sound by vigilance"

Men of good heart will stand, not just on the 2nd but on all the natural rights as enumerated by the Founders. I, like many, will stand as a mongrel, the son of many races and creeds, as most Americans are. And I will hope, if such a test again comes, I will be standing with many other true Americans.

And those who do not understand "who is coming," need not worry. The vigilant have kept the dogs at bay for 234 years. Otherwise, we would not be having this conversation.
 
I don't believe it is my responsibility to fight. But I do believe I have no responsibility to anyone, or any entity, to give up that which is a Natural right.

So I will not give any such right away.

Not for peace
Not for law
Not for my security
Not for my Estate
Not for my safety

Not for my freedom.

I have European ancestors who fought in the Revolution
I have Indigenous ancestors who fought the White settlers and their government.
I have ancestor who were brought here against their will an soldd to slavery.
I have ancestors and relatives who fought in almost all of the major conflicts of our nation.

Win or lose,,,they fought for their children and their way of life. As a duty. One could call it responsibility but truely, it is a duty one must do to be a member of any community.

My ancestors felt a Duty to do so.
I feel a duty to them.
And to my children.

Joec asked "who is coming for our guns?" Such a question completely ignores the history of those who have been coming for all of our rights, one way or another, since the nation was founded.

"Liberty is much easier to win, than to keep. It can only be kept safe and sound by vigilance"

Men of good heart will stand, not just on the 2nd but on all the natural rights as enumerated by the Founders. I, like many, will stand as a mongrel, the son of many races and creeds, as most Americans are. And I will hope, if such a test again comes, I will be standing with many other true Americans.

And those who do not understand "who is coming," need not worry. The vigilant have kept the dogs at bay for 234 years. Otherwise, we would not be having this conversation.

You as Big Dog seem to miss every point I try to make on this. Now you are both law abiding citizens I'm gathering, I'm not. When push comes to shove I will do what is necessary as I have in the past. I don't worry about laws making something illegal that if I need it will get it be it a gun or any other thing.

If they come to my door and ask for my guns they better know what guns I have as that is what they will get and nothing more if they even could tell what I have. If I need a gun I can get a gun as I have in the past and hopefully not in the future unless it comes to that.

Now we have had treats to our "rights" since time began as a species but we are still here and as free as we want to be. Guns bans is hardly the biggest threat in this world if you simply look at uprising in the past where peasant rose up, armed and fought back winning their independence. I don't think though they beat their chests saying how tough they where but proved it in their actions.
 
You as Big Dog seem to miss every point I try to make on this. Now you are both law abiding citizens I'm gathering, I'm not. When push comes to shove I will do what is necessary as I have in the past. I don't worry about laws making something illegal that if I need it will get it be it a gun or any other thing.

If they come to my door and ask for my guns they better know what guns I have as that is what they will get and nothing more if they even could tell what I have. If I need a gun I can get a gun as I have in the past and hopefully not in the future unless it comes to that.

Now we have had treats to our "rights" since time began as a species but we are still here and as free as we want to be. Guns bans is hardly the biggest threat in this world if you simply look at uprising in the past where peasant rose up, armed and fought back winning their independence. I don't think though they beat their chests saying how tough they where but proved it in their actions.

That's because you often don't make"points" Joec. You just insult people and then wonder why they take issue with your comments.

If "they" come for your weapons, I wonder if you will even know who "they" are.

No one is pumping their chest here. The question was essentialy asked "what will you do if it happens and the authorites come." Many have simply answered as to their intentions. Truth will prove when the "Theys" you speak about actually show up at the door.

As for you. You'll just give them up? I guess you're not "pumping" your chest here? But, you are assuming "they" will ask for specific weapons. And you'll fool 'em surely.

Really?

I mean Really?

The practice runs by the Iowa National Quard were actual house searches.
The New Orleans police seached any house that had registered weapons

Confisgation is not likely to stop at voluntary when such limp wristed approaches fail to prevent another New Town or Aurora theater shooting.

Dedicated Americans have resisted government attempts at gun controls for 235 years. It is the only reason that today, you have possesion of any.

You're welcome.
 
That's because you often don't make"points" Joec. You just insult people and then wonder why they take issue with your comments.

If "they" come for your weapons, I wonder if you will even know who "they" are.

No one is pumping their chest here. The question was essentialy asked "what will you do if it happens and the authorites come." Many have simply answered as to their intentions. Truth will prove when the "Theys" you speak about actually show up at the door.

As for you. You'll just give them up? I guess you're not "pumping" your chest here? But, you are assuming "they" will ask for specific weapons. And you'll fool 'em surely.

Really?

I mean Really?

The practice runs by the Iowa National Quard were actual house searches.
The New Orleans police seached any house that had registered weapons

Confisgation is not likely to stop at voluntary when such limp wristed approaches fail to prevent another New Town or Aurora theater shooting.

Dedicated Americans have resisted government attempts at gun controls for 235 years. It is the only reason that today, you have possesion of any.

You're welcome.

First I asked the question who was coming for our guns of the original poster that started this tread. I got a dissertation on mathematics and no answer to my question. As for me insulting people how about this response to no direct post to him, Big Dog posted "Joe, I hope they get yours first because you deserve it! If they come for our guns they are defying the Constitution but then you could give a shit. I'll go to jail before I give them my guns." Now all I asked is who is coming for my or anyone guns. Oh and who was insulted first, I tend to answer in kind.

As I still don't know who is coming as it doesn't seem first their is a way to know if I have a gun, two guns or a hundred guns since their is no registry. So again I ask who is coming? Secondly their are between about 3 million guns in the hands of private citizens in this country and they would have a clue how many any one would have, where they all lived or even how to know as that number is an estimate based on guns made and sold in the USA. So point is use some simple common sense if they ban a gun you own put it away as they have banned guns before only for the bans to go away over time when the simple minds that pass these thing realize it doesn't stop crime, never has and never will.

Besides even if they got my guns I'm very capable of finding replacements as I've done it before in places a lot tougher than the USA.
 
Secondly there are between about 3 million guns in the hands of private citizens in this country.

Joe, I can see what you are trying to say but the figure of privately owned arms in this country is wrong .... by a hundredfold.

The last figure I saw was that there were 80 guns per 100 citizens in this country. That would give you a number closer to 300 million firearms.

Now that doesn't mean that 80 out of a 100 people have a firearm. We have the Skurka's and Dargo's of this world (before their boating accidents) but it does mean that there are a helluva lot of guns for somebody, anybody, to try to confiscate. From a practical standpoint, it's impossible to do, especially, as Joe says, nobody knows who the hell has what.

I'm not trying to call anyone's patriotism into question and I don't want anyone to question mine but like Joe, I'd like to know who the hell "THEY" are? When "THEY" come to take my guns, just who are "THEY"?

Now, as I see it, there are two parts to this discussion, the philosophical side and the practical side. I can agree with most of what has has been said on the philosophical side about the rights and wrongs of any legislation concerning gun control passed by Washington but I can also agree with Joe, to a point, that whatever they pass concerning confiscation is immaterial because it is absolutely unenforcible ... there's no agency, local, state or federal that would do or be able to do it.
 
They is Obama's choice....National Guard, Cops, regular military. Who ever he sends will do the dirty work but they...is Obama. Why there would be a question of this is crazy. We know there are those willing to follow his orders so why the question of who is they?
 
I had a serious conversation with my pre-teen son last night about this. I told him that he may be without a dad if they come for our guns. I'm going down fighting. He understands that it's the good fight and should this happen, he vows to follow in my footsteps once he gets a bit older.
 
Who are they? Damn good question. If I had to guess it would be those that are getting those millions of rounds of hollow point ammo. I would be watching them. I mean I do not believe they have all that just so it can sit in a vault somewhere and collect dust.

Why is the DHS creating it's own private army? In March of 2012 DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen. Is this something we should be concerned about? What’s the plan that requires so many dead Americans? If not Americans, who?

Even the Social Security Administration is buying ammo. 174,000 rounds to be distributed among 41 offices around the country. All buildings are so called gun free zones.

These are facts. Look them up. This is not conjecture. These are not assumptions. Facts. 1.5 BILLION rounds of ammo to DHS alone!!!!!

Will I fight? I am no Rambo. I will defend myself if need be, but outnumbered 5-1 by more heavily armed and better trained personell than I will not end well for me and I am smart enough to know it. Discretion is the better part of valor.
 
I dont think any of the US soldiers would turn against their own people.But The UN has already been authorized to use deadly force to disarm the American people.the only way they would get my guns is removing them from my cold dead fingers.
In 1961 it was established that the state department is going to use the UN to disarm the American people with any means possible.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyfkQkchlu4"]Troops Ordered To Kill All Americans Who Do Not Turn In Guns - YouTube[/ame]
 
I dont think any of the US soldiers would turn against their own people.But The UN has already been authorized to use deadly force to disarm the American people.the only way they would get my guns is removing them from my cold dead fingers.
In 1961 it was established that the state department is going to use the UN to disarm the American people with any means possible.
Troops Ordered To Kill All Americans Who Do Not Turn In Guns - YouTube

Ok the UN has no standing army but use troops from other countries as peace keepers which is most the US, France and England. Now you take out the US troops that leaves the French and English with a few others from around Europe and expect them to go into the streets of this country and confiscate guns, really?

I will bring the popcorn to watch this show as it shouldn't take to long especially with French troops leading the way. :whistling:
 
They is Obama's choice....National Guard, Cops, regular military. Who ever he sends will do the dirty work but they...is Obama. Why there would be a question of this is crazy. We know there are those willing to follow his orders so why the question of who is they?
Barack Hussien Obama has millions of folks that still inexplicably worship him as the Messiah. But always remember, folks, there are mere hundreds of 'soldiers' still loyal to Bashar Al-assad. And it doesn't take too many loyal servants to cause all manner of carnage with AS missiles and 20mm cannons. Sixty thousand dead and counting without even trying.

But are there people still willing to fight against such tyranny? You bet.
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LOL Yes the UN is useless plain and simple.But also remember the rest of the UN countrys.I dont think Mexico would have a problem tryint to dis arm us.But they do not actually realize how armed the average american citizen is.LOrd help the ones who are willing to try and will die.
Other Nations of the UN that wouldnt have a problem trying.
Afghanistan
Argentina
Brazil
Cambodia
Central African Republic
China
Cuba
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Iran (Islamic Republic of)
Iraq
Lebanon
Libia
Republic of Korea
pakistan
 
Ok the UN has no standing army but use troops from other countries as peace keepers which is most the US, France and England. Now you take out the US troops that leaves the French and English with a few others from around Europe and expect them to go into the streets of this country and confiscate guns, really?

I will bring the popcorn to watch this show as it shouldn't take to long especially with French troops leading the way. :whistling:

A most rediculous logic. This scenario is hardly unlikely just because the USA provides most of the troops in UN actions. It is unlikely because such a resolution would take more than four years to get passed in the UN.

That said;

The UN is made up of a significant number of nations who do not like the USA. Hell the UN generaly does not like the USA. I'm sure, under a UN mandate, the many nations we can assume are enemies of America would eagerly assemble troops to carry out such orders.

Here's the question; Under Obama would our troops be ordered to repell the foreign "invaders" or defend them?

Forget the popcorn. Bring your guns instead and hand them over.

Or take a stand.
 
A most rediculous logic. This scenario is hardly unlikely just because the USA provides most of the troops in UN actions. It is unlikely because such a resolution would take more than four years to get passed in the UN.

That said;

The UN is made up of a significant number of nations who do not like the USA. Hell the UN generaly does not like the USA. I'm sure, under a UN mandate, the many nations we can assume are enemies of America would eagerly assemble troops to carry out such orders.

Here's the question; Under Obama would our troops be ordered to repell the foreign "invaders" or defend them?

Forget the popcorn. Bring your guns instead and hand them over.

Or take a stand.

Again you don't seem to understand sarcasm so I will spell it out if and when a foreign soldier steps foot in this country with intentions of forcing their will on use you will see me the first in line to fight. Been there and done that however I find this mostly pure conspiracy theory stuff of novels.
 
Again you don't seem to understand sarcasm so I will spell it out if and when a foreign soldier steps foot in this country with intentions of forcing their will on use you will see me the first in line to fight. Been there and done that however I find this mostly pure conspiracy theory stuff of novels.

I hate the UN more than I can say. I agree, Joe. They will not be sending troops here anytime soon. We have other problems than that. Barry and his guard dog the Big Black Pantha Cracka Jacka are two that come to mind real fast. :biggrin:
 
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