. I was comparing the fuel tank size. Not the efficiency. Definitely not desperate. Just bored this weekend.
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How gas cars use more electricity to go 100 mi then EVs do.
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Nah sleepy Joe can't prove anything. We've gotten to the point where they keep pointing out I can't pull a trailer as far. Lol not the reason I bought the pickup.
First off, it hasn't been done.
Secondly you brought your one ton Dodge diesel to the conversation.
Thirdly, I do remember my 56 Pontiac getting 6 MPG. Back then that was normal.
Back in the day fueling my 60 Chevy Impala the attendant told me to shut my engine off. I was gaining on him.
Those were different days and unfair to compare to today's vehicles.
My wife's Pacifica get 27 MPG overall but on long trips she gets over 30MPG.
So, keep your arguments about current technologies or you come off desperate.
Im working right now, multitasking for the cause, we have a mutual friend that says we are the same. You have your ideas and I have mine, thats what makes the world go.
Sorry I was just making a post about fuel capacities. Remembering what it used to be like.
Sorry, that's not what I read.
What I read was a comparison to ancient technologies that have no relevance in your arguments.
Then I think you need to go reread the post.
I did and I stick by what I said I refer to the 16 gallon gas tank. If you want to bring efficiency into it doesn't matter if the truck would have gotten 10 or 20 mi to the gallon. I can still travel further with the lightning.
Even you should admit comparing any aspect of your Modern Lightening to a 1980 Chevy pickup is silly.
Compare it to the range of a modern pickup, my 2002 Dodge one ton goes 800+ miles on a tank
Range was improved by larger tanks. And more efficient engines. This by customer demand.
I was not comparing. I was stating a fact. You chose to compare it. If you read further up in my paragraph it talked about getting used to limitations and being okay with them. I tend to think you don't actually read what I post. You read bits and pieces. And then I stated an example of a 1980 Chevy pickup that I owned with the same limitations. You are so stuck in your ways and have to prove a point that you can't let anybody else make a point. but yet you want me to compare an electric 1/2 ton pickup, to your 2002 1 ton Dodge diesel. Those two vehicles aren't even in the same ballpark. Two completely different uses.
You're a very naive person if you don't think that's going to happen with EVs also.
Your entire thread postings have been a "comparison."
Don't blame me
Naive?
If EV's don't improve range, flexibility, and more efficient power sources, they will fail.
I'm done here.
I can only add, that I adjusted the e-brake cable in our electric vehicles to allow the vehicles to be driven with the handle up one click. ( it shut the day time running light circuit off ) it added quite a few AH of usage. Do not mention miles or gallons in a energy conversation. reason, miles at 45mph are much different than miles at 80mph.
Example:
I spent a couple extra hours at a stop in Gillet WY. and again in Casper. our light hearted debate revolved around the electric haul-trucks (apparently local to Gillet) and how they made power in-use from the regenerative effects of the haul road. i could not convince this very intelligent person, that loading the truck needed to factor in. and I simply stated "if the truck made the trip empty would it make *power* " He looked at me point blank and said yes, like I was the deficient one in the conversation........ I knew to say " interesting point, we have an exciting time ahead of us".......
Point:
the beginning of this thread was ICE uses a copious amount of electricity to go (x) miles. it absolutely does. we make lots of ethanol here in the Midwest, if you run your noise maker about how great it is and don't mention the water, trucking and farmland inputs, stand down. If you want to compare fruit baskets, compare all the fruit based on the calories. We as a bunch of short time inhabitants of the rock we ride around the sun must agree that energy is energy. we started as a civilization on foot and horseback. we will end up there again. ( honestly, the Romans will beat us in the longevity game if we don't get our collective heads out of our asses.)
Electric propulsion is brilliant, large shovels, ships, locomotion, it is the most efficient way to transform and transmit, High torque, large demand energy. it is not the answer to personal transportation.( some yes, most not) it is as silly as a gas powered golf bag caddy on a golf course.( yes it works but its just not a good application)
rant on. I love this/these topics
P.S. the electric car was the answer to oil embargos around the carter era, it came back in the 90's as we went looking for cheap crude, its back again. It will go away again. the beauty is the technology is getting better each time.
Example:
I spent a couple extra hours at a stop in Gillet WY. and again in Casper. our light hearted debate revolved around the electric haul-trucks (apparently local to Gillet) and how they made power in-use from the regenerative effects of the haul road. i could not convince this very intelligent person, that loading the truck needed to factor in. and I simply stated "if the truck made the trip empty would it make *power* " He looked at me point blank and said yes, like I was the deficient one in the conversation........ I knew to say " interesting point, we have an exciting time ahead of us".......
Point:
the beginning of this thread was ICE uses a copious amount of electricity to go (x) miles. it absolutely does. we make lots of ethanol here in the Midwest, if you run your noise maker about how great it is and don't mention the water, trucking and farmland inputs, stand down. If you want to compare fruit baskets, compare all the fruit based on the calories. We as a bunch of short time inhabitants of the rock we ride around the sun must agree that energy is energy. we started as a civilization on foot and horseback. we will end up there again. ( honestly, the Romans will beat us in the longevity game if we don't get our collective heads out of our asses.)
Electric propulsion is brilliant, large shovels, ships, locomotion, it is the most efficient way to transform and transmit, High torque, large demand energy. it is not the answer to personal transportation.( some yes, most not) it is as silly as a gas powered golf bag caddy on a golf course.( yes it works but its just not a good application)
rant on. I love this/these topics
P.S. the electric car was the answer to oil embargos around the carter era, it came back in the 90's as we went looking for cheap crude, its back again. It will go away again. the beauty is the technology is getting better each time.
- DC golf cart technology was the 70-80's
- 3phase AC and regeneration was the 90-00's
- battery improvements are the 10's and 20's
- What's next.......
chowderman
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it's a four year election cycle.
realism does not enter the picture.
realism does not enter the picture.
took me a while but I found this 3 year old ted talk. It makes a good point about the inputs to the process. the presenter uses the C02 position and I feel he does an ok job. He goes easy on the refining process but he makes good points about the process on co2 to and from the situation we need to breathe.
Change cars into horses . . . equals 1 billion Corvettes 
Interesting take on CO2 and I admit I never looked at the cycle system of how CO2 is used.
I do appreciate how he globalized the discussion. Sadly this was made before China started to build 2 new coal generating power plants per week. And India is now on a similar pace. Toyota has been pushing Hybrids as the better option for several years.
Interesting take on CO2 and I admit I never looked at the cycle system of how CO2 is used.
I do appreciate how he globalized the discussion. Sadly this was made before China started to build 2 new coal generating power plants per week. And India is now on a similar pace. Toyota has been pushing Hybrids as the better option for several years.
No I'm not.
Your argument sucks the big one
.This isn't about the cost of building an automobile. It is about the cost of going EV and solar/wind power. EV's are the green agenda. So are Solar panels and windmills. Whilst they may be planet saving green, none of them are cost justified against current and popular technology.
The first steam powered commercial sailing vessels did not cost less than the contemporary sail driven version. But it proved to be better, faster, and more dependable.
EV's have yet to do that.
Agreed.
And mbsieg knows that I am certainly a 'researcher' here on these forums and have both backed him up and pointed out opposing views.
It is reasonable to point out that the green agenda is problematic and pollutes farther away from where I sit. Mines digging up minerals in 3rd world nations remain unseen, but exhaust from my idling car is visible to the car parked behind me. Coal still produces a huge portion of the world's electricity and we don't have the ability to flip a switch to solar/wind, nor is that possible to rely on without serious back up from nuclear and hydroelectric and, at least the near future (50 years?) Natural Gas.
The pollution from the mines for lithium, cobalt, etc should be factored in, as should the iron ore required for steel for structural parts of all vehicles.
Aluminum body panels on an EV are just as carbon polluting as aluminum body panels on an ICE or Hybrid. Ditto the plastic bits and panels, etc.
I think the TedTalk video did a pretty reasonable job. I do wish this was not political for some people. I also wish that people would see how good the Hybrid vehicles are, and the TedTalk actually helped me appreciate my new Hybrid all the more.