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Elon Musk starts the new America Party to compete with the GOP

Melensdad

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Is Elon the new "Ross Perot" of politics?

This is a gift to the Democrats just like Ross Perot, who never stood a chance at winning, peeled off enough GOP voters to allow Bill Clinton to win the electoral college with only 43% of the popular vote.

The last sentence tells the story, he is going after the GOP.


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Musk says 'America Party' is formed in US​

July 5, 20253:24 PM CDTUpdated 30 mins ago​
Elon Musk attends a press conference at the White House
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Elon Musk speaks during a press conference with U.S. President Donald Trump (not pictured), at the White House in Washington, D.C., U.S., May 30, 2025. REUTERS/Nathan Howard/File Photo Purchase LicensingRights​
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July 5 (Reuters) - A day after asking his followers on X whether a new U.S. political party should be created, Elon Musk said on Saturday that the "America Party is formed."​
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"Today, the America Party is formed to give you back your freedom."​
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The announcement from Musk comes after President Donald Trump signed a tax-cut and spending bill into law on Friday, which the billionaire chief executive officer of Tesla fiercely opposed.​
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Musk spent hundreds of millions on Trump's re-election and led the Department of Government Efficiency under the Trump administration aimed at slashing government spending, but the two have since fallen out over disagreements about the bill.​
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Musk said previously that he would start a new political party and spend money to unseat lawmakers who supported the bill. . . ​
 
FrancSevin said:
I don't see success here.
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That is the thing, he doesn't have to 'win' anything.

He just needs to be a 'spoiler' to prove his point. Ross Perot didn't get 10% of the vote but he spoiled Bush's chances and put Bill Clinton into the White House.

Musk gets behind viable candidates to take on a half dozen HOUSE seats and just 2 or 3 SENATE seats and he effectively puts handcuffs on Trump and the GOP
 
Melensdad said:
That is the thing, he doesn't have to 'win' anything.

He just needs to be a 'spoiler' to prove his point. Ross Perot didn't get 10% of the vote but he spoiled Bush's chances and put Bill Clinton into the White House.

Musk gets behind viable candidates to take on a half dozen HOUSE seats and just 2 or 3 SENATE seats and he effectively puts handcuffs on Trump and the GOP
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I understand the math. However, whilst he targets the GOP they will not be easy. Better he would low hanging fruit in the wasted Democratic party which is starving for comprehensive leadership. As well as honest funding. And the nation would benefit more from that approach.
This just sounds like sour grapes.
Sad.


Just a comment,,,; George SOROS is not an American citizen either. Elon promises same shit, different day.
 
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FrancSevin said:
I understand the math. However, whilst he targets the GOP they will not be easy. Better he would low hanging fruit in the wasted Democratic party which is starving for comprehensive leadership. As well as honest funding. And the nation would benefit more from that approach.
This just sounds like sour grapes.
Sad.


Just a comment,,,; George SOROS is not an American citizen either. Elon promises same shit, different day.
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Taking out some vulnerable Democrats doesn't do anything for him.

He needs to make sure NEITHER SIDE has a majority.

If Musk can grab just a handful of seats he has real power. His party can caucus with Democrats against Trump on SOME issues and caucus with the GOP on other issues. That gives that handful congress-critters real power.
 
Melensdad said:
Taking out some vulnerable Democrats doesn't do anything for him.

He needs to make sure NEITHER SIDE has a majority.

If Musk can grab just a handful of seats he has real power. His party can caucus with Democrats against Trump on SOME issues and caucus with the GOP on other issues. That gives that handful congress-critters real power.
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Yes . I agree. But although politics is about power, I would like to think better of Musk than that.
Silly me.
 
XeVfTEUtaAqJHTqq said:
Trump's trashing of Elon is going to cost the RNC big time in the next election. Elon gets my vote.
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Then the Dems win. A third party just splits the vote. Let the Dems split. The right answer is to change the party. The GOP has already changed a lot under Trump. It has come to stand more for working people. It has become more of a populist party. Yes, it needs to change more. But creating a new party that splits conservative voters is exactly what the Left needs to stage a comeback.
 
XeVfTEUtaAqJHTqq said:
Trump's trashing of Elon is going to cost the RNC big time in the next election. Elon gets my vote.
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Why are you scolding President Trump? Misk is the one who opposed the Big Beautiful bill and when Trump didn't take his advice, Elon stormed off pissed. And did so publicly. Where's the loyalty?
Musk formerly supported Democrats
Musk is clearly not a team player.
Musk is the betrayer here.
 
Near as I can tell, Musk is upset about 2 things.

1 - phase out of the EV tax credit for cars, which I think is in the bill
2 - increased spending & debt

I think it may actually be more pissed off about #2 than #1 because in the EV market his cars still seem to be superior vehicles in many ways
 
XeVfTEUtaAqJHTqq said:
Don't care anymore. Fuck Trump and the RNC, they owe Musk massively for the last election.
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I'm just curious about what you think Trump should have done differently. Should he have demanded the bill cut even more spending? He did. But, deals had to be made to get enough votes for it. If there were more spending cuts in it, then it just wouldn't have passed, and taxes would have gone up, and border security wouldn't have been funded, etc. Plain and simple.
 
Melensdad said:
Near as I can tell, Musk is upset about 2 things.

1 - phase out of the EV tax credit for cars, which I think is in the bill
2 - increased spending & debt

I think it may actually be more pissed off about #2 than #1 because in the EV market his cars still seem to be superior vehicles in many ways
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Yes, those are his stated reasons for leaving. But starting a competing party?
Just because you want to and you can.
It makes him the same as Soros.
That's revenge betrayal.
That's about EGO!

You'll have to pardon my newfound disrespect for Elon Musk.
 
I agree that trump miss the target on this bill from what I've seen on Ellon if he engineers this correctly and takes house and senate seats in 2026 he will be the one each party will have to beg and plead with for the swing votes. Charley Kirk was discussing it I'll look for the video.
The other thing i just saw was Trump was "discussing with the farmers and hospitality people" how to keep their illegal workers, I got a hard no on that in my opinion unless they wear a big F on their shirt cant vote, become citizens, collect any benefits pay their own medical bills none of their dependants are eligible to be citizens its still NO
 
Special Temporary exemptions for Farmers, Agriculture and Hospitality should not be a big problem. These are low skill, low pay scale, jobs most Americans don't want. As long as we have an aggressive growth in industries which offer high pay scale, employment these specific exemptions should not allow it. Such seems to me to be a win-win.
 
FrancSevin said:
Special Temporary exemptions for Farmers, Agriculture and Hospitality should not be a big problem. These are low skill, low pay scale, jobs most Americans don't want. As long as we have an aggressive growth in industries which offer high pay scale, employment these specific exemptions should not allow it. Such seems to me to be a win-win.
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The problem is they get counted in the census and sque the numbers. In my opinion now if they counted only citizens and prove it I might be swayed.
 
tommu56 said:
The problem is they get counted in the census and sque the numbers. In my opinion now if they counted only citizens and prove it I might be swayed.
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No, they should not be counted. That issue is fixable when Trump writes the EO. r Congress enacts a law for this purpose

OR;;;
The SCOTUS gets off their butts and rules on this persistent problem.
 
FrancSevin said:
Special Temporary exemptions for Farmers, Agriculture and Hospitality should not be a big problem. These are low skill, low pay scale, jobs most Americans don't want. As long as we have an aggressive growth in industries which offer high pay scale, employment these specific exemptions should not allow it. Such seems to me to be a win-win.
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In farming this is only good for the agri-corps. It screws the smaller farmers.
Also, I will remind all you die hard republicans that your party was once a "third party". Third party doesn't mean lost cause.
 
loboloco said:
In farming this is only good for the agri-corps. It screws the smaller farmers.
Also, I will remind all you die hard republicans that your party was once a "third party". Third party doesn't mean lost cause.
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Actually no. The agri-crop farmers are highly mechanized. ITis the small family farms that need the extra manpower but often only on a temporary basis.

As a young man I worked on a truck farm for years. Most of my co-workers were black on Hispanic. The pay was lousy. However, I learned a lot and really enjoyed the work. However, it was summer work for most of the help. Some wok during winter but again very low pay. Because it was very low skilled and farmers do not have to pay minimum wages.

Agri-farmers can afford big machines that cost nothing sitting idle thru winter. Small farmers need to bring in temporary help as their growing season is often short.

The next time you eat leaf lettuce, or cheap five for a buck sweet corn ears, know that it was almost never touched by human hands. Unless you buy it from a local small farmer.
 
tommu56 said:
I agree that trump miss the target on this bill from what I've seen on Ellon if he engineers this correctly and takes house and senate seats in 2026 he will be the one each party will have to beg and plead with for the swing votes. Charley Kirk was discussing it I'll look for the video.
The other thing i just saw was Trump was "discussing with the farmers and hospitality people" how to keep their illegal workers, I got a hard no on that in my opinion unless they wear a big F on their shirt cant vote, become citizens, collect any benefits pay their own medical bills none of their dependants are eligible to be citizens its still NO
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I don't think Elon would take any votes away from the Dems. The Left has already decided that Elon is a Nazi, so nobody on that side is going to vote for him.
 
loboloco said:
In farming this is only good for the agri-corps. It screws the smaller farmers.
Also, I will remind all you die hard republicans that your party was once a "third party". Third party doesn't mean lost cause.
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Third party has meant lost cause for the last 170 years. Since then, the platforms of the two major parties have changed a lot in response to the sentiments of the people, and that has been the mechanism of ensuring their interests were represented, as opposed to creating a third party, which has not been effective aside from siphoning off votes from whichever of the two major parties it most resembled and thereby helping the other to win.
 
FrancSevin said:
Actually no. The agri-crop farmers are highly mechanized. ITis the small family farms that need the extra manpower but often only on a temporary basis.

As a young man I worked on a truck farm for years. Most of my co-workers were black on Hispanic. The pay was lousy. However, I learned a lot and really enjoyed the work. However, it was summer work for most of the help. Some wok during winter but again very low pay. Because it was very low skilled and farmers do not have to pay minimum wages.

Agri-farmers can afford big machines that cost nothing sitting idle thru winter. Small farmers need to bring in temporary help as their growing season is often short.

The next time you eat leaf lettuce, or cheap five for a buck sweet corn ears, know that it was almost never touched by human hands. Unless you buy it from a local small farmer.
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I see this as an issue that has the potential to expand the conservative tent. Conservatives stand for the working class, and believe that hard working people deserve recognition and reward. Illegal aliens who have worked for years, performing back breaking labor, and have committed no other crimes, should be considered to receive a path to legal status.
 
Patriot said:
I see this as an issue that has the potential to expand the conservative tent. Conservatives stand for the working class, and believe that hard working people deserve recognition and reward. Illegal aliens who have worked for years, performing back breaking labor, and have committed no other crimes, should be considered to receive a path to legal status.
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Actually, I hadn't considered that. (y)Good thinking! (y)

Yes, we welcome those who want to earn American success, not accept American largess. This group qualifies.
 
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