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America: The Food Stamp Nation

Joe if you believe all those millions on food stamps are eating and surviving on only 1.20 per day you live in a dream world. I suppose you feel that there is no abuse of the system and everyone on the SNAP program is in need and should be given even more.

As for the mayor of Newark it is a publicity stunt pure and simple. :pat:
 
Joe if you believe all those millions on food stamps are eating and surviving on only 1.20 per day you live in a dream world. I suppose you feel that there is no abuse of the system and everyone on the SNAP program is in need and should be given even more.

As for the mayor of Newark it is a publicity stunt pure and simple. :pat:

I didn't say that but look up the average amount of food stamps in your state and figure on a per person basis and see if you could eat on that per person in your household for even a week. Please give it a try if you have the guts. Oh and New Jersey probably gets more a week than say Ohio also. Just saying before you post this stuff you ought to try a day in some of their shoes is all.

Now as for taking advantage what percentage as I'm sure it goes on however back up your assertion it does.
 
I know at least ten people on SNAP. They are not looking for work and they are eating on better than $1.20 per day or per meal..

They eat steak when I eat burger.

One gal has the system so well worked, she lives on 5 acres, with a lake, a three bedroomhouse and drives a late model Buick.

She is on parole for drug trafficing, was in intensive care(medicaid) for three months recovering from septsis contracted from dirty needles, has sued every employer for whom she has ever worked.

Her frig is full, her TV is 52" and her furniture brand new. Her son works for me. She refuses to even try to work for her supper. But she eats well.

Not an opinion,,,,fact.
I won't waste time describing the other 9 cases I personaly know. But they are similar.

In a nation of opportuniies such as here in theUSA, there is no reason an ablebodied person cannot find meaningful employment. Except for the decisions they have themselves made in life.

It is easy to decide that your neighbors can feed you when the Government sets it up so that what many of us believe one should work to have, is somehow a civil right. Such facilitation simply encourages sloth. Now that is, of couse, just my opinion.
 
so....... let's see -$min. amt./ea. fer these meals produced. let's raise that bar higher.-

produce a healthy, nutritious, appealing, crowd-pleasing meal that brings oooohhhhhhsssss-&-ahs fer a few $.
jus' try. put $2 into the wallet.
that's that.
then shop.
u'll get to the produce section. yep.
how 'bout them apples~
 
I didn't say that but look up the average amount of food stamps in your state and figure on a per person basis and see if you could eat on that per person in your household for even a week. Please give it a try if you have the guts. Oh and New Jersey probably gets more a week than say Ohio also. Just saying before you post this stuff you ought to try a day in some of their shoes is all.

Now as for taking advantage what percentage as I'm sure it goes on however back up your assertion it does.

I think the sad point is this; I can buy food stamps all day long with cash for around 50% of their stated value. There is an unimaginable amount of food stamp fraud going on. I would venture to say that maybe, and I do mean maybe, half of the food stamps received are actually being used legally. The rest are sold for cash so the recipients can buy whatever they want with their free money.

The county in which I live is about an average county, perhaps a little above average income wise. However, I just read where 52% of the kids in our school system get free breakfast, free lunch and pay zero in book rental. Lunch is just under $3 if you load up. There is no way in hell that anyone is going to convince me that over half of those on the free program drive new cars, have cable TV with HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, high speed Internet and at least an X-Box, Playstation and a few other expensive game played on their 60" flat screen 1080p HD TV. Our entitlement system is completely out of hand and Obama and other Dems get votes by promising more!

I don't think I need to tell you that taking free entitlements away is going to be nearly impossible now and our moron in office thinks he can keep giving away more and just tax "the rich" more to cover it all. We both know that math just doesn't work. I'm also a firm believer in everyone pulling their fair share; no free rides! If you make very little, you pay very little. If you make a lot, you pay a lot. If you are serving our country in the military, that should count as paying your share. Too many people are now 3rd and 4h generation welfare families who have never worked and never intend to work. It's time they face reality. If they are physically able, their asses need to be working or the freebies stop!
 
I think the sad point is this; I can buy food stamps all day long with cash for around 50% of their stated value. There is an unimaginable amount of food stamp fraud going on. I would venture to say that maybe, and I do mean maybe, half of the food stamps received are actually being used legally. The rest are sold for cash so the recipients can buy whatever they want with their free money.

The county in which I live is about an average county, perhaps a little above average income wise. However, I just read where 52% of the kids in our school system get free breakfast, free lunch and pay zero in book rental. Lunch is just under $3 if you load up. There is no way in hell that anyone is going to convince me that over half of those on the free program drive new cars, have cable TV with HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, high speed Internet and at least an X-Box, Playstation and a few other expensive game played on their 60" flat screen 1080p HD TV. Our entitlement system is completely out of hand and Obama and other Dems get votes by promising more!

I don't think I need to tell you that taking free entitlements away is going to be nearly impossible now and our moron in office thinks he can keep giving away more and just tax "the rich" more to cover it all. We both know that math just doesn't work. I'm also a firm believer in everyone pulling their fair share; no free rides! If you make very little, you pay very little. If you make a lot, you pay a lot. If you are serving our country in the military, that should count as paying your share. Too many people are now 3rd and 4h generation welfare families who have never worked and never intend to work. It's time they face reality. If they are physically able, their asses need to be working or the freebies stop!

Really now Dargo, you seem to know how to beat every government subsistence program there is perhaps then you should report it. Maybe the answer is let shut down the government completely then and let some people simply starve. Then the only problem would be dealing with the dead.
 
i'm currently 'not able'- says gov.'t. nonsense. i get my scrawny 'lil self peeled away from snooze, etc., & friggin' work. laziness is not acceptable. shant be. screw that.
 
Really now Dargo, you seem to know how to beat every government subsistence program there is perhaps then you should report it. Maybe the answer is let shut down the government completely then and let some people simply starve. Then the only problem would be dealing with the dead.

Not a bad idea for those who have never worked with no inclination to do so in the future. Society would lose nothing.
 
Not a bad idea for those who have never worked with no inclination to do so in the future. Society would lose nothing.

Really Reddog? I have no problem with it. I do find it funny though that most here seem to live around lazy useless people looking to take advantage of the system. I've lived in several states in my life and see little of it and I deal with the general public all day long too. Guess I'm just lucky as those here all seem to be looking for jobs that aren't currently employed or working part time looking for full time work.
 
Really now Dargo, you seem to know how to beat every government subsistence program there is perhaps then you should report it. Maybe the answer is let shut down the government completely then and let some people simply starve. Then the only problem would be dealing with the dead.

You miss the entire problem! Our government cannot be so stupid as to not realize these programs are being severely abused. If they are so stupid, they clearly need to be replaced. You obviously need to get out more. There is nothing out of the ordinary concerning entitlement abuse where I live. All you have to do is open your eyes and understand that most of what Obama has been telling you is based on his huge and comprehensive resume of being a 'community organizer'. MOST of that organizing was getting people together to sign up for every single government give away program available.

WHY do you think IL and CA are the most fiscally irresponsible states in our union?? It's called L I B E R A L S who only care about being in a position of power with absolutely NO regard as to what their irresponsible actions do to their states or their country. Period. Omamma was THE MOST radical liberal in the senate and morons voted him to the office of the president. Did they really think he was going to suddenly become intelligent and grow a conscious? Clinton was a partying womanizer who used taxpayer money to get pussy BEFORE he was elected president. Did anyone really think he was going to change his ways after being elected?? At least Clinton (Bill, not Hillary) is intelligent. Obama sailed through on affirmative action and I doubt he is of above average intelligence. That is NOT who we need leading our country!
 
Guys,,,GUYS!

Food stamps are not the problem.

They are merely a symptom of the problem.

More and more of the population is no longer using the government safety nets to get them by in a crisis. They are using them as entitled income upon which to live the same lives, at least materialy, as those who work for a living.
 
Joe, you did the research to answer your question. I knew how it worked. But again, you miss the point entirely.

Lets pretend you have a bunch of nephews and nieces. All are good kids. One of them comes onto hard times and needs help to put food on the table. You are in a position to help out so you do. Every month you give. Other nieces and nephews see this and a couple of them figure, why not get some for me, Uncle Joe is going to give it out anyway, I might as well get some. And so you give to them too. Then later on more see the others getting the hand outs so they want some too.

You can't imagine they would lie to you or tell you they needed stuff when they really didn't so you gave to all who asked. No problem. You have plenty. So time goes on and you keep giving to those who have asked. Everyone is happy. Then Uncle Joe finds himself running short. What would you do? Would you ask the nieces and nephews who are not asking for the handouts to give to you so you could give to all the others? Or would you look closer at all those you are giving to to see if they really needed the handout?

I knew people who were on food stamps. More than one of them said they ate better while on food stamps than when they were working. Much like what Dargo described. How could that be Joe? The ones I knew of were in the 80's, maybe things have changed. Maybe they do not give as much now due to more asking for the handout, but I know how it worked back then and according to Dargo it is still that way.

Even with all the more people getting the handout we still see people begging on the streets, like the shoeless guy in NYNY. Every town has some. How can that be? Do we need to give out even more food stamps? Is that the answer?

I would make a wager that you could cut the food stamp program by 1/2 and we would not see people starving in the streets, or would not see any more beggars than we do right now. Why? Because the majority have other forms of income. Under the table income to insure that they still qualify for the handout. I mean, if all you have to do is hide the income for a nice handout, you hide the income. Others turn down jobs so they don't make to much money so they can qualify for Uncle Sam's handout, after all, it's free.

We have a guy in our town who has a spot where he stands most nice weather days with a coffee can and a sign saying will work for food. A fellow I work with stopped and offered him work. He turned it down. He gets enough in donations that he does not want to work. He wants to stand there and collect money. To test this theory another guy I know offered him work. Once again he turned it down. It is human nature for some. If you can get something free and easy why not. If you don't others are going to get it; at least that is how I imagine they justify it.

I sincerely believe we all have compassion and would help anyone who needed food. They would not do without. Uncle Sam has made it to easy to get the freebies. And I can't blame people for taking them when they see their friends and neighbors doing the same. It is not the peoples fault. It is the government management of the program.
 
Joe, you did the research to answer your question. I knew how it worked. But again, you miss the point entirely.

Lets pretend you have a bunch of nephews and nieces. All are good kids. One of them comes onto hard times and needs help to put food on the table. You are in a position to help out so you do. Every month you give. Other nieces and nephews see this and a couple of them figure, why not get some for me, Uncle Joe is going to give it out anyway, I might as well get some. And so you give to them too. Then later on more see the others getting the hand outs so they want some too.

You can't imagine they would lie to you or tell you they needed stuff when they really didn't so you gave to all who asked. No problem. You have plenty. So time goes on and you keep giving to those who have asked. Everyone is happy. Then Uncle Joe finds himself running short. What would you do? Would you ask the nieces and nephews who are not asking for the handouts to give to you so you could give to all the others? Or would you look closer at all those you are giving to to see if they really needed the handout?

I knew people who were on food stamps. More than one of them said they ate better while on food stamps than when they were working. Much like what Dargo described. How could that be Joe? The ones I knew of were in the 80's, maybe things have changed. Maybe they do not give as much now due to more asking for the handout, but I know how it worked back then and according to Dargo it is still that way.

Even with all the more people getting the handout we still see people begging on the streets, like the shoeless guy in NYNY. Every town has some. How can that be? Do we need to give out even more food stamps? Is that the answer?

I would make a wager that you could cut the food stamp program by 1/2 and we would not see people starving in the streets, or would not see any more beggars than we do right now. Why? Because the majority have other forms of income. Under the table income to insure that they still qualify for the handout. I mean, if all you have to do is hide the income for a nice handout, you hide the income. Others turn down jobs so they don't make to much money so they can qualify for Uncle Sam's handout, after all, it's free.

We have a guy in our town who has a spot where he stands most nice weather days with a coffee can and a sign saying will work for food. A fellow I work with stopped and offered him work. He turned it down. He gets enough in donations that he does not want to work. He wants to stand there and collect money. To test this theory another guy I know offered him work. Once again he turned it down. It is human nature for some. If you can get something free and easy why not. If you don't others are going to get it; at least that is how I imagine they justify it.

I sincerely believe we all have compassion and would help anyone who needed food. They would not do without. Uncle Sam has made it to easy to get the freebies. And I can't blame people for taking them when they see their friends and neighbors doing the same. It is not the peoples fault. It is the government management of the program.

Yes it is all possible but I think not near as plausible or as likely to happen as you believe. Now if you can make 4 to 5 times more working 40 hours a week compared to sitting on you ass doing nothing, it won't take long for you to want to work at least in the universe I have lived in my whole life.

I tell you what look for facts on welfare fraud especially food stamps. I've only seen it a couple of time usually some on dope that needed a fix for his next dose. As I said only a couple of times in my life and both where found soon after dead from an over dose. Oh and that was in the 70's before welfare was corrected under the Clinton terms in office.
 
Joe, you did the research to answer your question. I knew how it worked. But again, you miss the point entirely. .....

Others turn down jobs so they don't make to much money so they can qualify for Uncle Sam's handout, after all, it's free. ......
It seems that the 'decision point' is right around $30,000 a year.

Scrounging on the fringe, not working, subsidized by Uncle Sam and making $30K on the dole ... OR ... actually going to work, losing the benefits, possibly even paying taxes and making the same $30K.

Seems about half of folks faced with this decision stay on the dole, often leading to generational welfare specialists.

Woe is us, until the trend is reversed. Getting back to "Work for Welfare" is only a start.


EDIT:: By the way, if 'hunger' was actually a problem in America, we would find crime associated with hunger. But we don't. No one goes to jail for stealing food, and no one is murdered over a square meal. Crime in the inner cities is not about being hungry (imagine the anarchy if it was), but more so about finding drugs and alcohol ... in a perfect world paid for with black-market food stamps.
 
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It seems that the 'decision point' is right around $30,000 a year.

Scrounging on the fringe, not working, subsidized by Uncle Sam and making $30K on the dole ... OR ... actually going to work, losing the benefits, possibly even paying taxes and making the same $30K.

Seems about half of folks faced with this decision stay on the dole, often leading to generational welfare specialists.

Woe is us, until the trend is reversed. Getting back to "Work for Welfare" is only a start.

Let me see the average wage in Kentucky is about $10 per hour. So if you worked 40 hours a week for 52 weeks a year that is a gross of $20800 per year which by the way a good 75% make here in their daily jobs. Now please show me where you or any one can make $30K per year from the government even as a disabled veteran. Show me the money to quote a term for a movie.

Here is some of the research I've done and this one is consistent with the others I've looked at http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/
 
JFYI...

Food stamps are part of the Agriculture budget.

Same one that is covered by a farm bill that hasn't been passed in years, just ammended annually to buy more time...

It makes us farmers look like we are on the recieveing end of some thing, and we are not...

Regards, Kirk
 
Well you are covered by the death tax.........:whistling:And folks wonder where the family farms go!:hammer:
 
Hell , I can beat that . Up here in my town the food bank trailer pulls in and loads you up and they don't give a damn how much you make . No food stamps , No proof of need , Nada !!!
Its funny to see all these Lazy POS people show up and start loading up their new trucks . A car ain't big enough .
We have this one POS that is a big retired Union agent who is VERY well off and guess who is in the front of the line for his freebies each month ??? Thats right , the union boy . What a waste
 
JFYI...

Food stamps are part of the Agriculture budget.

Same one that is covered by a farm bill that hasn't been passed in years, just ammended annually to buy more time...

It makes us farmers look like we are on the recieveing end of some thing, and we are not...

Regards, Kirk

Yes but how much do you get as a farmer for not growing or growing a given crop? So you also get federal money and you are not on welfare?
 
Yes but how much do you get as a farmer for not growing or growing a given crop? So you also get federal money and you are not on welfare?

That should have been stopped years ago . God Bless our lousy politians .
 
Yes but how much do you get as a farmer for not growing or growing a given crop? So you also get federal money and you are not on welfare?

Joe,

Years ago farmers were paid not to plant a crop. This has not been true for some 8-10 years. The one excetionis CRP ground that the Government "rents" for wild life habitat and native praire plant species. This is a small amount of land as a percentage of the total corp lands.

Regards, Kirk
 
Joe,

Years ago farmers were paid not to plant a crop. This has not been true for some 8-10 years. The one excetionis CRP ground that the Government "rents" for wild life habitat and native praire plant species. This is a small amount of land as a percentage of the total corp lands.

Regards, Kirk


Now now Kirk,

don't be confusing folks with the facts.

Whikle there are perceivable abuses of theCRP program, it is an effective method of preserving the habitats and the fecundy of our agricultural soils. An example of good stewardship.

It hardly compares to lazy scammers abusing the safety net system of Food Stamps. Which are an out growth of agricultural price support programs. Which is the only reason that Food Stamps are looped into the Dept of Agruiculture budget.

But the real issue is not the $750 million in fraudulent waste of the food stamps but the fact that one American in six is using them. Legitimate on not, that is a terrible indictment of our current situation.

It seems the more we let the government try to solve poverty, the more poverty expands in our midst. I would suggest the johnson "War on Poverty" is succeeding just as well as his war in Viet Nam.
 
Here is some of the research I've done and this one is consistent with the others I've looked at http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

Interesting figures Joe. Here's what I got out of them.

White: % of Population - 64.7% % of Welfare Role - 38.8%

Hispanic: % of Population - 16% % of Welfare Role - 15.7%

Black: % of Population - 12.9% % of Welfare Role - 39.8%

Asian: % of Population - 4.6% % of Welfare Role - 2.4%

Other: % of Population - 1.8% % of Welfare Role - 3.3%

It kind of jumps out at you, doesn't it.

PS 2010 Census Figures
 
Despite the general opinion that they're plenty of available jobs available I sure haven't observed them myself. Yes their are some jobs on the lower side of the pay scale available but guess what folks, many of them are taxpayer subsidized and food stamps are one of the primary subsidies.

Excerpt from Here

Walmart is the biggest retailer in the world. It boasts of having 1.2 million Americans on their payroll. Its reported annual profits are around $13 billion. So it’s safe to say since it is so big – and so ubiquitous – and so obviously successful – the government can now stop subsidizing it.


Let me explain: I was covering the first stop for the Progressive Caucus’ “Speak Out for Good Jobs Now” listening tour held in Minneapolis attended by Rep. Raúl M. Grijalva (D-Ariz.) and Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) among others. The first audience member to speak was one Girsheila Green, a young mother from Compton, California, who has worked at Walmart for three years. Ms. Green told the crowded church how in her tenure with Walmart, she’s received two raises and is now a manager. She makes nine dollars an hour (one dollar above the laughably-low California minimum wage). She pulled from her pocket three cards she claimed most Walmart employees at her store have: a 10 percent Walmart employee discount card, her employee ID and her EBT card (what used to be called food stamps).

She relayed that 80 percent of her store is on food stamps. I’d argue one is too many.


It’s true, Girsheila doesn’t have to work at Walmart if she feels she’s not being paid enough. She can go work somewhere else. She’s not being forced to work for a wage that won’t feed her family. The same argument can be made for child labor, dangerous working conditions and other labor issues settled in the 20th century by workers standing up for their rights.


Girsheila’s individual choice is not the issue at all. Since Walmart, the largest private employer in the country, generally doesn’t pay its “associates” or “Walmart family members” enough to live on – the giant multi-national corporation is relying on the U.S. government to feed its employees. We, as taxpayers, pay for Walmart’s cost-cutting tactics. Profit? Privatized. Nutrition? Socialized.


Think of how many employees use their food stamp cards to buy groceries at the store where they WORK. It’s like a nurse having to file bankruptcy due to medical bills.
So what I'm stating is their is a chance (albeit a small one) that the person holding the food stamps may very well work their butt off for their employer but still qualifies for subsidies to support themselves and their family.

Edit for a bit more info. for Ohio "Wal-Mart Subsidy Report for Ohio"


Hidden taxpayer costs


Many Wal-Mart workers are ineligible for health coverage from their employer or choose not to purchase what is available, because it is too expensive or too limited in scope. These workers often turn to taxpayer-funded health programs such as Medicaid. In February 2006 the Department of Job and Family Services, in response to requests from Policy Matters Ohio and others, released a report on those employers with the largest number of workers participating in the Medicaid, food stamps and Ohio Works First (cash assistance) programs. For Medicaid, Wal-Mart was first with 12,184 employees. For food stamps, Wal-Mart was second (behind McDonald's) with 7,327 employees. As for Ohio Works First, McDonald's ranked 4th with 356 employees. Sources: Ohio Department of Jobs and Family Services, Report Identifying the Number of Benefit Recipients by Employer, February 24, 2006; available online at http://jfs.ohio.gov/releases/EmployerReport.pdf See also: Julie Carr Smyth, "Ohio Workers Depend on Public Benefits," Cleveland Plain Dealer, February 25, 2006 and the Policy Matters Ohio initial analysis of the data at: http://www.policymattersohio.org/pdf/public_benefits_2006_03.pdf


For an estimate of how much Wal-Mart is costing the state of OH for taxpayer-funded healthcare, see http://www.wakeupwalmart.com/feature/healthcrisis/map.html#OH
http://www.wakeupwalmart.com/feature/healthcrisis/map.html#OH
 
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Joe,

Years ago farmers were paid not to plant a crop. This has not been true for some 8-10 years. The one excetionis CRP ground that the Government "rents" for wild life habitat and native praire plant species. This is a small amount of land as a percentage of the total corp lands.

Regards, Kirk

Glad to hear that has changed. I remember a friend of mine owned a rather large farm in Louisianan growing rice, soy beans, milo and crayfish as well as some other sometimes crops. It was a family operation with him overseeing it but his father, brother and sister having a piece also. They didn't plant a section for a year and each got paid a flat amount for not planting it.

So now that is straightened out you get a subsidies for corn crops to make ethanol? I'm just asking is all.
 
We get a small payment that is called "freedom to farm" that is a left over from years ago. But is not much, maybe $5 acer...not enough to even put a dent in the property taxes....I have wondered why it is still around. I use these funds for crop insurance...

Regards, Kirk
 
We get a small payment that is called "freedom to farm" that is a left over from years ago. But is not much, maybe $5 acer...not enough to even put a dent in the property taxes....I have wondered why it is still around. I use these funds for crop insurance...

Regards, Kirk

Thanks Kirk for the information.
 
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