Is Charlie Kirk a Martyr?

Yes. I can't think of anything in my lifetime (I'm 60) comparable to the Kirk memorial. Grok tells me that same stadium hosted a crowd just shy of 68k fans for the 2023 Superbowl, and more than 114 million watched it on various platforms.

Yesterday it was filled to capacity, to the tune of 100k. Another 100k were turned away & funneled into auxiliary sites. Grok can't tell me how many watched online & TV, but I have to believe the numbers are astronomical, given the demonstrations we saw worldwide after the assassination.

I've seen various tiktok libs pontificating how Kirk is too irrelevant to achieve martyrdom. They're wrong.

It remains to be seen if Mrs. Kirk is able to build on what her husband created, and whether the GOP is able to capitalize on it, or squander it like it did with the Tea Party.

I would agree, he is a martyr.

At a minimum he is a political martyr.

I'd also say that is, at least in my eyes, he is a Christian martyr.

Charlie was a Christian, not a Catholic, but there is a great snippet from Catholic Cardinal Dolan, who was not familiar with Charlie Kirk. But when the news broke he looked him up.

Melensdad said:

I would agree, he is a martyr.

At a minimum he is a political martyr.

I'd also say that is, at least in my eyes, he is a Christian martyr.

Charlie was a Christian, not a Catholic, but there is a great snippet from Catholic Cardinal Dolan, who was not familiar with Charlie Kirk. But when the news broke he looked him up.

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Cardinal Dolan gets it!
Wish everyone else did.

11 minutes you won't regret

I tend to define someone as a martyr as one who voluntarily dies for his beliefs. I believe that it's horrific that Charlie died and that the left celebrated it, and I also believe his memory will live on for quite some time. But I guess I would rather use a different term myself, but that's just me.

Melensdad said:

I would agree, he is a martyr.

At a minimum he is a political martyr.

I'd also say that is, at least in my eyes, he is a Christian martyr.

Charlie was a Christian, not a Catholic, but there is a great snippet from Catholic Cardinal Dolan, who was not familiar with Charlie Kirk. But when the news broke he looked him up.

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In my opinion he should have known who Charlie was.
He's to sheltered to be effective as a leader if his handlers shield him from real world events.
This is one of my problems with organized established religion's their upper level is not in touch with the parishioners yes the local priests and ministers know the parishioners, but upper management is so out of touch.
Give me a local non denominal church with no strings being pulled by a higher authority all done locally.

tommu56 said:

In my opinion he should have known who Charlie was.
He's to sheltered to be effective as a leader if his handlers shield him from real world events.
This is one of my problems with organized established religion's their upper level is not in touch with the parishioners yes the local priests and ministers know the parishioners, but upper management is so out of touch.
Give me a local non denominal church with no strings being pulled by a higher authority all done locally.

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I honestly don’t understand what you wrote

tommu56 said:

In my opinion he should have known who Charlie was.
He's to sheltered to be effective as a leader if his handlers shield him from real world events.
This is one of my problems with organized established religion's their upper level is not in touch with the parishioners yes the local priests and ministers know the parishioners, but upper management is so out of touch.
Give me a local non denominal church with no strings being pulled by a higher authority all done locally.

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Charlie kirk was not a religious Icon. He just was a devout Christian. Period.
He was killed because his life example was disturbing to non-believers.

tommu56 said:

In my opinion he should have known who Charlie was.
He's to sheltered to be effective as a leader if his handlers shield him from real world events.
This is one of my problems with organized established religion's their upper level is not in touch with the parishioners yes the local priests and ministers know the parishioners, but upper management is so out of touch.
Give me a local non denominal church with no strings being pulled by a higher authority all done locally.

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Huh?

FTG-05 said:

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This is awesome.

So I am talking to a female fencer. She is a non-denominational Christian but asking about Catholicism. I'm trying to gently lead her toward the original Christian faith. FWIW, I also think that the ORTHODOX Christians (those based on the original apostles) are also "original" Christians.

But in any case, I think leading anyone to Christ is an amazing start. Be an atheist if you want, I'm fine with that, but Christians seem to have a more fulfilling life (according to surveys and other data) so I think that is good. But faith in Christ seems to leads people to be "better" humans, to be more fulfilled as people, and to be happier. So all good stuff.

I'll be happy to get just 1 or 2. Kirk literally got tens, maybe hundreds of thousands, to consider Christianity. So from that standpoint, I need to work harder. Much harder.

As for the original question, is he a martyr? YES he is. One does not need to be a 'Saint' to be a martyr, in fact the 'Saints' were martyrs first, and then they were designated as Saints later. In Kirk's case, he was killed for his beliefs. That is literally part of the textbook definition of a martyr.