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Can the GOP really be this stew-pid ROUND 2

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I saw a little of the news this morning about Geithner making his rounds on the Sunday talk shows yesterday. Specifically saying that if we go off the fiscal cliff it will be the republicans fault.

I do think the Dems are on their game. They actually get what they've been after all along if we go off the cliff. Defense cuts, higher taxes, more money for them to spend. They are doing a good job of backing the republicans into a corner where many will agree, it will be the repubs fault if we go off the cliff.

The republicans are still offering up the same ole argument that Romney lost running on. Sounds like a bad record being played over and over. I agree with much of what they are saying but they are not going to win over a majority of the public with those points. That was proven last Nov 6th in the election.

So why keep up the same old same old. By doing that they probably will take it on the chin for whatever happens with the economy. It is time to let the dems make it or break it on their own. Give em what they want and move on. If it works, good for the country. If it does not work good for the repubs in 2014 and 2016. Seems better than the GOP losing all the way around as it stands now.
 
I couldn't agree more because if they don't then you will see the GOP gone for at least a decade and probably a generation.
 
joec said:
I couldn't agree more because if they don't then you will see the GOP gone for at least a decade and probably a generation.
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That's not going to happen, as much as the liberals would like it to. What will happen is a stagnated Govt. that's ineffective at anything besides voting themselves more money and more power.
 
SShepherd said:
That's not going to happen, as much as the liberals would like it to. What will happen is a stagnated Govt. that's ineffective at anything besides voting themselves more money and more power.
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One of the few times I agree with squerly as it is to late to stagnate government we have had it since 2010.
 
OK, So I went to this site. http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/#page:1_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20industries_filter:All%20states_filter:All%20categories

I made a spreadsheet and added up the wealth of the top 100 people in America. If the administration took every penny of their combined wealth they would get 1.037 Trillion dollars. I think the national debt is something like 13 Trillion. So they clean out the 100 richest and they get 7.5% of the national debt.

Raising taxes on the rich is just not the answer, I wish it were, that would be easy. Lest anyone forget the richest people do not have to keep their wealth, companies or jobs in the USA. They can just pick up their marbles and leave.

Unfortunately there is no easy solution here. The cost of labor here is too high, we have trained our former enemies to out economics us and sold off what is here and good.

While I am giving reminders, one of the Facebook founders did just that,l renounced his citizenship and took his billions elsewhere.
 
Adillo303 said:
I made a spreadsheet and added up the wealth of the top 100 people in America. If the administration took every penny of their combined wealth they would get 1.037 Trillion dollars. I think the national debt is something like 13 Trillion. So they clean out the 100 richest and they get 7.5% of the national debt.

Raising taxes on the rich is just not the answer, I wish it were, that would be easy. Lest anyone forget the richest people do not have to keep their wealth, companies or jobs in the USA. They can just pick up their marbles and leave.

Unfortunately there is no easy solution here. The cost of labor here is too high, we have trained our former enemies to out economics us and sold off what is here and good.

While I am giving reminders, one of the Facebook founders did just that,l renounced his citizenship and took his billions elsewhere.
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Good point Andy. Myself and others have pointed out this flaw to the plan all along. Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand foretold what would happen if you take to much from the top earners / job creators of a nation. They are the ones who can afford to up and leave. They can visit when they want. No need to give close to 50% of your wealth to the government that spends spends spends and makes no effort to cut the spending.

Some have to learn the hard way, but at the expense of their learning the nation will never recover to be as it once was. :cry: :(
 
In thinking over the last few years / months, I find it depressing.

When the Supreme Court held up the mandate for Obamacare, I learned that Supreme Court decisions are for sale, just like any other commodity. It did help me understwand Citizens vs United better.

When Romney was berated for not releasing his taxes, I wondered why he did not simply say that as a citizen who has never held federal office, he did not write the tax codes that allowed him or pay little or no taxes. Could it be that both parties had a part in this to help their major contributors?

When Romney was berated because he may have had a role in sending jobs overseas, I wondered why he did not simply ask the opponent how many jobs that the president brought back to the USA.

Finally when Hillary and Barack had such dirty low down fights over the nomination, then they became such great buddies, I learned that the party takes precidence over the people.

Now I look at it all and I wonder if at some level the major parties are not in cahoots with each other.
 
Andy said:
Now I look at it all and I wonder if at some level the major parties are not in cahoots with each other.
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Yep. This is a point CG and Bamby have brought up numerous times. I do believe they, and you, are right on. :thumb:
 
Perhaps you should stop and think a minute and actually look at Obama first proposal and where he was in 2010 when he got his hand bit by the GOP pretty much giving them what they wanted. Believe me I've not heard anything from the Speaker of the House as to what they want either except on taxes on the top 2%. Once that is out of the way then the other things will come as even Obama has never said we can get our house in order only by raising taxes and it is really a small part of it.
 
Adillo303 said:
OK, So I went to this site. http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/#page:1_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20industries_filter:All%20states_filter:All%20categories

I made a spreadsheet and added up the wealth of the top 100 people in America. If the administration took every penny of their combined wealth they would get 1.037 Trillion dollars. I think the national debt is something like 13 Trillion. So they clean out the 100 richest and they get 7.5% of the national debt.

Raising taxes on the rich is just not the answer, I wish it were, that would be easy. Lest anyone forget the richest people do not have to keep their wealth, companies or jobs in the USA. They can just pick up their marbles and leave.

Unfortunately there is no easy solution here. The cost of labor here is too high, we have trained our former enemies to out economics us and sold off what is here and good.

While I am giving reminders, one of the Facebook founders did just that,l renounced his citizenship and took his billions elsewhere.
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Your numbers are outdated. The national debt is over 16.4 trillion. I believe the debt went over 16 trillion on Memorial Day.

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica][SIZE=+3]U.S. N[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica][SIZE=+2]ATIONAL[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica][SIZE=+3]D[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica][SIZE=+2]EBT[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica][SIZE=+3]C[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica][SIZE=+2]LOCK[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]The Outstanding Public Debt as of 03 Dec 2012 at 06:25:22 PM GMT is:
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[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]The estimated population of the United States is 313,984,720
so each citizen's share of this debt is $52,034.37.[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica] The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$3.87 billion per day since September 28, 2007[/FONT]

If we bill everyone in the US slightly over 52K, we could wipe out the debt overnight. Makes about as much sense as thinking that confiscating the wealth of the rich will solve anything
 
Doc said:
Good point Andy. Myself and others have pointed out this flaw to the plan all along. Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand foretold what would happen if you take to much from the top earners / job creators of a nation. They are the ones who can afford to up and leave. They can visit when they want. No need to give close to 50% of your wealth to the government that spends spends spends and makes no effort to cut the spending.

Some have to learn the hard way, but at the expense of their learning the nation will never recover to be as it once was. :cry: :(
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Many are doing just that. The number of Americans moving overseas and renouncing their citizenship is greater than ever, and they are doing it after their money is long moved overseas.
 
The only real question its hopes long people will keep using this broken system until they realize tasty they need a three party system which is more dependant on popular support to govern?
 
America needs to go over the fiscal cliff. And hopefully knock some sense into the tax-and-spend liberals before it's too late.
 
Adillo303 said:
Ummmmm Jimbo sorry for my error. Does the correct number change my point?
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No, it makes your point more pointed. In the 7 hours this this thread has been posted, the national debt has increased by over a billion dollars. Meantime, no spending cuts have been proposed, and no new sources of revenue are in place.
 
You know what I don't understand is how are republicans getting all the blame. The committee that thought this mess up had more democrats on it than republicans.

It appears the fiscal cliff shit is coming down to the same thing the sequester was all about, a short term patch. What don't these politicians understand that some thing BIG needs to happen, not another kick down the road. Who going to be the one to tell the truth and piss off the masses to reality????
 
If you were a Congressman, which would be more important?

A) Doing what is right for the Nation, or

B) Getting re-elected as a career politician without terms limit, getting that cushy salary, that swanky Capitol Hill office, that fancy DC penthouse apartment, all those attractive assistants, all that lucrative insider trading, that limo, all that security, those lavish meals, blow jobs, that top-drawer health care and, last but not least, that obscene pension for life. All paid for by the taxpayers.

Any more questions?
 
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Big Dog said:
You know what I don't understand is how are republicans getting all the blame. The committee that thought this mess up had more democrats on it than republicans.

It appears the fiscal cliff shit is coming down to the same thing the sequester was all about, a short term patch. What don't these politicians understand that some thing BIG needs to happen, not another kick down the road. Who going to be the one to tell the truth and piss off the masses to reality????
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Because neither party has the guts to do what is necessary. They haven't for a long time as both have to many protected special interest groups to answer too.
 
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