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Canada expected to announce ALL cars must be electric...

Melensdad

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I'm curious how they will build the infrastructure in the rural areas? :flagcan:

2035 is not that far away from today, but that is the date proposed to start selling all electric Passenger Cars.


Below is just about 1/3rd of a long article, see the link above for the full story ^^^
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Ottawa expected to release promised EV sales regulations Tuesday​

Sales targets meant to ensure automakers ramp up EV production to keep up with demand, says source​

David Thurton · CBC News · Posted: Dec 16, 2023 3:00 AM CST | Last Updated: December 16​
A man wearing a brown suit smiles as he plugs in an electric vehicle at a charging station.
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Steven Guilbeault, now the minister of Environment and Climate Change, plugs in an electric car at a Laval, Que., news conference in July 2021. CBC News has learned that the federal government will release regulations it says will ensure that all new cars sold in Canada by 2035 are zero-emission vehicles. (Ryan Remiorz/The Canadian Press)​
Automakers are set to get a jolt Tuesday when Ottawa unveils its promised electric vehicle regulations.​
​
CBC News has learned that Ottawa will release final regulations it says will ensure that all new passenger cars sold in Canada by 2035 are zero-emission vehicles, a senior government source said.​
​
The source — who was not authorized to speak publicly — said the new regulations are meant to ensure that automakers produce enough affordable zero-emissions vehicles to meet the demand.​
​
The regulations will be called the Electric Vehicle Availability Standard.​
​
The source said Canada is concerned about other countries, notably the U.S., dominating the supply of zero-emission vehicles. Several states have adopted sales targets for zero-emissions vehicles already.​
​
The regulations will apply to automakers, not dealerships. Under the legislation, manufacturers must earn enough credits to demonstrate they are meeting the targets.​
​

Automakers earn credits for EV sales​

Manufacturers will earn credits based on the number of low- and no-emissions vehicles they sell, and those credits determine whether they're in compliance with the regulations. Different vehicles earn different amounts of credits, depending on how close they come to a zero-emissions standard.​
​
The source added auto manufacturers could earn early credits through a compliance system — up to a maximum of 10 per cent of their overall compliance requirements for 2026 — if they bring more EVs onto the market before then.​
​
Automakers can also earn more credits if they help build out EV charging infrastructure.​
​
Companies that exceed or fall short of their targets can sell or purchase credits from other companies, or use banked ones.​
​
The source said more details of the regulations, to be enacted under the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, will be revealed on Tuesday.​
​
The regulations will apply to model year 2026 and sales targets will increase each year until 2035.​
​
The federal government wants 20 per cent of all vehicles sold to be zero-emissions vehicles by 2026. That target rises to 60 per cent by 2030, and 100 per cent by 2035.​
​
According to a 2022 government analysis, the total anticipated cost to consumers of zero-emissions vehicles and chargers will be $24.5 billion over 25 years, but Canadians can expect to save $33.9 billion in net energy costs.​
​
These estimates are part of a draft and may change when the government releases its final analysis.​
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Melensdad said:
I'm curious how they will build the infrastructure in the rural areas?

2035 is not that far away from today, but that is the date proposed to start selling all electric Passenger Cars.


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Ottawa expected to release promised EV sales regulations Tuesday​

Sales targets meant to ensure automakers ramp up EV production to keep up with demand, says source​

David Thurton · CBC News · Posted: Dec 16, 2023 3:00 AM CST | Last Updated: December 16​
A man wearing a brown suit smiles as he plugs in an electric vehicle at a charging station.
​
Steven Guilbeault, now the minister of Environment and Climate Change, plugs in an electric car at a Laval, Que., news conference in July 2021. CBC News has learned that the federal government will release regulations it says will ensure that all new cars sold in Canada by 2035 are zero-emission vehicles. (Ryan Remiorz/The Canadian Press)​
Automakers are set to get a jolt Tuesday when Ottawa unveils its promised electric vehicle regulations.​
​
CBC News has learned that Ottawa will release final regulations it says will ensure that all new passenger cars sold in Canada by 2035 are zero-emission vehicles, a senior government source said.​
​
The source — who was not authorized to speak publicly — said the new regulations are meant to ensure that automakers produce enough affordable zero-emissions vehicles to meet the demand.​
​
The regulations will be called the Electric Vehicle Availability Standard.​
​
The source said Canada is concerned about other countries, notably the U.S., dominating the supply of zero-emission vehicles. Several states have adopted sales targets for zero-emissions vehicles already.​
​
The regulations will apply to automakers, not dealerships. Under the legislation, manufacturers must earn enough credits to demonstrate they are meeting the targets.​
​

Automakers earn credits for EV sales​

Manufacturers will earn credits based on the number of low- and no-emissions vehicles they sell, and those credits determine whether they're in compliance with the regulations. Different vehicles earn different amounts of credits, depending on how close they come to a zero-emissions standard.​
​
The source added auto manufacturers could earn early credits through a compliance system — up to a maximum of 10 per cent of their overall compliance requirements for 2026 — if they bring more EVs onto the market before then.​
​
Automakers can also earn more credits if they help build out EV charging infrastructure.​
​
Companies that exceed or fall short of their targets can sell or purchase credits from other companies, or use banked ones.​
​
The source said more details of the regulations, to be enacted under the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, will be revealed on Tuesday.​
​
The regulations will apply to model year 2026 and sales targets will increase each year until 2035.​
​
The federal government wants 20 per cent of all vehicles sold to be zero-emissions vehicles by 2026. That target rises to 60 per cent by 2030, and 100 per cent by 2035.​
​
According to a 2022 government analysis, the total anticipated cost to consumers of zero-emissions vehicles and chargers will be $24.5 billion over 25 years, but Canadians can expect to save $33.9 billion in net energy costs.​
​
These estimates are part of a draft and may change when the government releases its final analysis.​
​
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As long as power is generated via "fossil fuels" EV's are not ZERO-EMMISIONS.
So where are the mandates for Zero-Emission electricity power plants by 2035?
 
I dunno.

Canada is very rural and very large. Population density among the lowest in the world (measured per square mile) once you depart the border areas.

A few years ago the lovely Mrs_Bob and I rode our motorcycles along the TransCanadian Highway about 1/2 across the nation and there were times I was unsure I'd have enough fuel to make it to the next (and only) gas station. Especially along the north sides of Lake Superior and Lake Huron. Then again our bikes don't have the same range as a typical car that can travel 400 to 500 miles per tankful. But that makes our motorcycle experience more relevant, because most EVs have a range of 225-250 miles. So when you are up on the north shore, or worse, off the shoreline, of Superior, and the next town up consists of 7 homes, a gas station and a roadside motel, but no grocery or restaurant, I have questions.

First and foremost, how are you going to get ENOUGH POWER to these remote locations to operate the 1/2 dozen(?) Tesla Super Chargers that will be needed in EVERY little spot along the lakeshore . . .

And given that is more populated than the more remote places NORTH of the lakeshore, how are the Canadians going to get power to the remote areas especially considering some of these areas we rode to don't have electric lines leading to them now.
 
It’s not possible and it will never happen in my lifetime, and I’m 45. Infrastructure can barely handle what it’s got now and deteriorating, at least in Manitoba, and Manitoba Hydro has been run into the ground. Was talking to a local guy that works at a ethanol plant and they were wanting to switch over some stuff to run on electric and cut back on natural gas and was told flat out that the grid couldn’t handle what they wanted and never would. These politicians are complete morons with no connection to the real world. Look at our pathetic PM, has never had a real job in his life. He’s not qualified to run a lemonade stand let alone a country.
 
The reason gasoline and diesel-powered vehicles are so plentiful is because they so very well meet the needs of the public.
The reason the oil industry is so large and dependable is because of the volume of products derived from Crude that are in demand by the public.
I would point out that not one oil well, refinery or gas station was built under a government mandate but via normal capitalism and the laws and forces of supply and demand.

If Ev's are ever to dominate the market, they must get there via the same path. The odds of success are based entirely on producers meeting the needs of the customer. No government mandate can ensure success.
Many Oil companies now refer to themselves as energy providers. How about we let them firgue out how to produce and market energy for the upcoming technologies that will surpass the IC engine.

After all, that is how the IC engine killed off the electric vehicle of the early 20th century.

OH wait!!!!!!! :ROFLMAO: :bolt:
 
Kevlar said:
It’s not possible and it will never happen in my lifetime, and I’m 45. Infrastructure can barely handle what it’s got now and deteriorating, at least in Manitoba, and Manitoba Hydro has been run into the ground. Was talking to a local guy that works at a ethanol plant and they were wanting to switch over some stuff to run on electric and cut back on natural gas and was told flat out that the grid couldn’t handle what they wanted and never would. These politicians are complete morons with no connection to the real world. Look at our pathetic PM, has never had a real job in his life. He’s not qualified to run a lemonade stand let alone a country.
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Pretty sure that is true for almost all the politicians in the western world, be they from North America thru Europe, it seems like a disconnect from real life infected their brains.

I didn't realize you were from the land of the red maple leaf, glad to have here, I've seen a couple posts of yours. Just curious, how many square miles in Manitoba and how many people live there? I think the disconnect the politicians have is they are in the border cities and not all of us are urban dwellers!
 
Melensdad said:
Pretty sure that is true for almost all the politicians in the western world, be they from North America thru Europe, it seems like a disconnect from real life infected their brains.

I didn't realize you were from the land of the red maple leaf, glad to have here, I've seen a couple posts of yours. Just curious, how many square miles in Manitoba and how many people live there? I think the disconnect the politicians have is they are in the border cities and not all of us are urban dwellers!
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I had to look it up! Population is around 1.5 million and about 250,000 square miles, but half of it, maybe even more is very sparsely populated, mostly bush, bedrock and muskeg makes up the north half of the province.
 
Kevlar said:
It’s not possible and it will never happen in my lifetime, and I’m 45. Infrastructure can barely handle what it’s got now and deteriorating, at least in Manitoba, and Manitoba Hydro has been run into the ground. Was talking to a local guy that works at a ethanol plant and they were wanting to switch over some stuff to run on electric and cut back on natural gas and was told flat out that the grid couldn’t handle what they wanted and never would. These politicians are complete morons with no connection to the real world. Look at our pathetic PM, has never had a real job in his life. He’s not qualified to run a lemonade stand let alone a country.
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Best thing for you to do may be to install a $3,000,000 Windmill Generator.

That would be a smaller one, but it would charge your Tesla or Chevy Volt. Invest another quarter $million in battery storage and you could meet the government's timeline.

Unless you wanted to travel more than 300 miles.
 
Kevlar said:
I had to look it up! Population is around 1.5 million and about 250,000 square miles, but half of it, maybe even more is very sparsely populated, mostly bush, bedrock and muskeg makes up the north half of the province.
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Looks like 1/2 the population is in Winnipeg with a population of slightly more than 700,000. Looking at a map, I'm not sure how an electric car could travel through Manitoba. Especially if they try to go North of Winnipeg.

My adopted daughter Dasha's mom lives west of you a fare bit, in Edmonton, there is pretty much nothing north of her other than oil, timber, etc.

I see no way to electrify Canada for EVs. Unless the plan is to keep the population from spreading. Then it will work. Population control, travel control.
 
This is what scares me. our infrastructure is maybe 30 years away from being able to support electric vehicles. Anyone living beyond 100km from Toronto is screwed. Where I live outside of a city of 115000, there's maybe 8 public charging stations. And those are single units tucked in the back of existing gas stations. We regularly have brown outs given that most of the existing hydro lines are 80+ years old. It's going to be a shit show.
 
Melensdad said:
I dunno.

Canada is very rural and very large. Population density among the lowest in the world (measured per square mile) once you depart the border areas.

A few years ago the lovely Mrs_Bob and I rode our motorcycles along the TransCanadian Highway about 1/2 across the nation and there were times I was unsure I'd have enough fuel to make it to the next (and only) gas station. Especially along the north sides of Lake Superior and Lake Huron. Then again our bikes don't have the same range as a typical car that can travel 400 to 500 miles per tankful. But that makes our motorcycle experience more relevant, because most EVs have a range of 225-250 miles. So when you are up on the north shore, or worse, off the shoreline, of Superior, and the next town up consists of 7 homes, a gas station and a roadside motel, but no grocery or restaurant, I have questions.

First and foremost, how are you going to get ENOUGH POWER to these remote locations to operate the 1/2 dozen(?) Tesla Super Chargers that will be needed in EVERY little spot along the lakeshore . . .

And given that is more populated than the more remote places NORTH of the lakeshore, how are the Canadians going to get power to the remote areas especially considering some of these areas we rode to don't have electric lines leading to them now.
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Bob you'r thinking too logical these "green people" dont leave their 15 minuet city so they dont know crap about tracking arround oe driving 100 miles to go to work and 100 back.
 
Canada has truckers with balls and they've shown it. Any chance they would partake in an action in support of those against these mandates? After all, they can't do their job or live their life either without an IC engine.
 
bczoom said:
Canada has truckers with balls and they've shown it. Any chance they would partake in an action in support of those against these mandates? After all, they can't do their job or live their life either without an IC engine.
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They need residents that have balls too for more than the EV industry and reel in their woke government in many sectors (just my opinion)
 
,,,,ramp up production to keep up with demand,,,,,

right. meanwhile back in reality, dealers are not happy with the build-up of EV inventory on their lots they can't sell.
the technology isn't there.
the infrastructure isn't there.
people need to make these politicians not there.
 
Just read an article from True North and it sounds like some of the leaders of different organizations, like auto manufacturers groups, aren’t too impressed with this announcement.
 
bczoom said:
Canada has truckers with balls and they've shown it. Any chance they would partake in an action in support of those against these mandates? After all, they can't do their job or live their life either without an IC engine.
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Rule would only apply to PASSENGER CARS from the way I read the article. So commercial vehicles would be exempt.
 
Kevlar said:
Just read an article from True North and it sounds like some of the leaders of different organizations, like auto manufacturers groups, aren’t too impressed with this announcement.
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Can you link the article.

I would expect that car makers are saying they don't have enough time to tool up
I would expect the utility companies are crying
I would also expect that Greta Thunburg is having a non-stop orgasm
 
Melensdad said:
I'm curious how they will build the infrastructure in the rural areas? :flagcan:

2035 is not that far away from today, but that is the date proposed to start selling all electric Passenger Cars.


Below is just about 1/3rd of a long article, see the link above for the full story ^^^
​
​

Ottawa expected to release promised EV sales regulations Tuesday​

Sales targets meant to ensure automakers ramp up EV production to keep up with demand, says source​

David Thurton · CBC News · Posted: Dec 16, 2023 3:00 AM CST | Last Updated: December 16​
A man wearing a brown suit smiles as he plugs in an electric vehicle at a charging station.
​
Steven Guilbeault, now the minister of Environment and Climate Change, plugs in an electric car at a Laval, Que., news conference in July 2021. CBC News has learned that the federal government will release regulations it says will ensure that all new cars sold in Canada by 2035 are zero-emission vehicles. (Ryan Remiorz/The Canadian Press)​
Automakers are set to get a jolt Tuesday when Ottawa unveils its promised electric vehicle regulations.​
​
CBC News has learned that Ottawa will release final regulations it says will ensure that all new passenger cars sold in Canada by 2035 are zero-emission vehicles, a senior government source said.​
​
The source — who was not authorized to speak publicly — said the new regulations are meant to ensure that automakers produce enough affordable zero-emissions vehicles to meet the demand.​
​
The regulations will be called the Electric Vehicle Availability Standard.​
​
The source said Canada is concerned about other countries, notably the U.S., dominating the supply of zero-emission vehicles. Several states have adopted sales targets for zero-emissions vehicles already.​
​
The regulations will apply to automakers, not dealerships. Under the legislation, manufacturers must earn enough credits to demonstrate they are meeting the targets.​
​

Automakers earn credits for EV sales​

Manufacturers will earn credits based on the number of low- and no-emissions vehicles they sell, and those credits determine whether they're in compliance with the regulations. Different vehicles earn different amounts of credits, depending on how close they come to a zero-emissions standard.​
​
The source added auto manufacturers could earn early credits through a compliance system — up to a maximum of 10 per cent of their overall compliance requirements for 2026 — if they bring more EVs onto the market before then.​
​
Automakers can also earn more credits if they help build out EV charging infrastructure.​
​
Companies that exceed or fall short of their targets can sell or purchase credits from other companies, or use banked ones.​
​
The source said more details of the regulations, to be enacted under the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, will be revealed on Tuesday.​
​
The regulations will apply to model year 2026 and sales targets will increase each year until 2035.​
​
The federal government wants 20 per cent of all vehicles sold to be zero-emissions vehicles by 2026. That target rises to 60 per cent by 2030, and 100 per cent by 2035.​
​
According to a 2022 government analysis, the total anticipated cost to consumers of zero-emissions vehicles and chargers will be $24.5 billion over 25 years, but Canadians can expect to save $33.9 billion in net energy costs.​
​
These estimates are part of a draft and may change when the government releases its final analysis.​
​
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I knew Canada was going to propose this. It's one of the finest countries in the world, with one of the best healthcare systems and racial acceptance. Long live the Canadian people.
 
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