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Va. Tech Pres Says...

Bobcat

Je Suis Charlie Hebdo
"No plausible scenario was made for how this horror could have been prevented once he began that morning," Steger said.

I think a few of us might be able to come up with a plausible scenario, don't you? Though I've included it below, I'd say don't bother reading the rest of the story; this is the only paragraph worth commenting on.

The whole story...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070831/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_investigation

By HANK KURZ JR. and VICKI SMITH, Associated Press Writers

RICHMOND, Va. - With anguished parents demanding his firing, Virginia Tech's president bristled at suggestions Thursday that he bears responsibility for the bloodbath on campus, calling it a crime "unprecedented in its cunning and murderous results."

At a news conference where he was grilled about an independent panel's conclusion that lives could have been saved had the school warned the campus sooner that a killer was on the loose, Charles Steger suggested there may have been nothing anyone could have done to stop the rampage by gunman Seung-Hui Cho that left 33 people dead.

"No plausible scenario was made for how this horror could have been prevented once he began that morning," Steger said.

He said he will neither resign nor ask the Virginia Tech police chief to quit, despite bitter demands by some of the victims' families that he and others be held accountable for the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history.

"In my view of the world, the buck stops at the top," said William O'Neil, whose son Daniel was among the students slain. "I think that in this case, his lack of leadership and his lack of compassion for the families is just astounding."

It took administrators more than two hours to get the first e-mail warning out after Cho killed two people in a dormitory. In the interim, Cho mailed off a video confession to NBC and then made his way across the Blacksburg campus to a classroom building, where he killed 30 more victims and committed suicide.

Steger said that during those two hours, administrators carefully considered how to deal with the first burst of gunfire, including a warning or a complete campus lockdown.

In the end, according to the report, administrators concluded that the shooting was a boyfriend-girlfriend dispute and that the gunman had probably left the campus. Also, the report noted, they were afraid of causing panic, as happened at the start of the school year, when the first day of classes was called off because an escaped murder suspect was on the loose near campus.

Asked whether he would have done anything differently that day, Steger said no.

"I am not aware of anything the police learned that would have indicated that a mass murder was imminent," he said at the news conference in Blacksburg. "The panel researched reports of multiple shootings on campuses for the past 40 years and no scenario was found in which the first murder was followed by a second elsewhere on campus. Nowhere."

The panel, appointed by Gov. Timothy M. Kaine, released its report late Wednesday, and Kaine said he was standing by Steger and other top administrators and not pressing for their firing because they have suffered enough.

"This is not something where the university officials, faculty, administrators have just been very blithe," Kaine said. "There has been deep grieving about this, and it's torn the campus up."

Instead, he said he would focus on preventive measures, such as better communication between the parents of troubled children and the colleges they are planning to attend.

"The information needs to flow both ways," the governor said.

The governor's panel, which spent four months investigating the massacre, said the two-hour gap could have been used to craft potentially lifesaving text or phone messages warning students of the gunman.

"Nearly everyone at Virginia Tech is an adult and capable of making decisions about potentially dangerous situations to safeguard themselves," the report said. "So the earlier and clearer the warning, the more chance an individual had of surviving."

"The alert should have been issued and classes should have been closed," panel Chairman Gerald Massengill said Thursday.

But Steger and at least nine other officials were wrestling with questions that had no easy answers: What's the best way to relay a message? What information would create mass panic? Which buildings should be notified? Was the gunman still on campus?

In retrospect, most of their decisions proved wrong, and the e-mail alert they finally sent arrived too late to do any good — about 15 minutes before Cho started killing students and faculty locked inside Norris Hall.

At the time, however, only two administrators had the ability to send campuswide e-mail, and the message first had to be formulated by the Policy Group, a body that includes nine vice presidents and several vice provosts and is chaired by Steger. It took a half-hour just to assemble the group.

The delays in assembling that group and reaching consensus, combined with repeated missed opportunities to share information about Cho's mental health problems, suggest "a failure of leadership at the very top levels of the university," said Cathy Read, stepmother of slain freshman Mary Karen Read.

"It's hard to believe that this happened and the university made all these mistakes, and the university missed all these opportunities, and that nobody will be held accountable," she said.

Celeste Peterson, whose freshman daughter Erin was killed, said the governor and the Tech Board of Visitors should "show some leadership" and oust Steger and campus Police Chief Wendell Flinchum.

In Virginia, university presidents serve at the pleasure of the Board of Visitors, which is appointed by the governor. Campus police chiefs are accountable to the university president.

But Andrew Goddard, whose son Colin survived four gunshot wounds, is "adamantly opposed" to pinning blame on individuals. "I think everybody who didn't do enough knows who they are," Goddard said. "And they're going to have to live with that."

Steger initially seemed to accept the criticism during an afternoon news conference.

"We asked for this review. We asked that it be direct and objective," he said. "It is painful to hear the blunt, and in some cases, critical findings."

But moments later, he said there was no guarantee that different decisions would have changed the outcome.

"The crime was unprecedented in its cunning and murderous results. And yet it happened here," he said. "To say that something could have been prevented is certainly not to say that it would have been. Moreover, it's entirely possible that this tragedy, horrific as it is, could have been worse."

Massengill, the chairman of the investigating panel, said it is up to others to determine who should be held accountable and how.

The governor agreed with Massengill that notification should have come much sooner.

"There is no downside to providing prompt and accurate information to a community of adults who have the capacity to make decisions to keep themselves safe," he said.

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Associated Press writers Bob Lewis, Kristen Gelineau and Larry O'Dell in Richmond, Allen G. Breed in Raleigh, N.C., and Sue Lindsey in Blacksburg contributed to this report.
 
This is the lamest peice of crap excuses I have ever heard. Communication in todays world is the fastest most reliable ever, and these lazy stuffed shirt jackasses had to assemble a panel to make a friggin email. The other possible (not pc here folks) way to prevent this is to ALLOW legal firearms on the school grounds, and when someone starts shooting, kill them! I am one that says fire the whole damn lot of these stuffed shirts that can not think for themselves...........make sure they can be sued for their shirts on their backs. Anyone in todays world that makes an excuse like this is a total idiot. If I were a parent to one of these kids...........this administration would not see the day they were not hounded till the day I died. With this lame excuse, I would make sure they got a double dose.

Example of emails. I have friends on my 360 in multiple countries. I can send the same email to all of them within oh say 5 seconds..........now lets say that this campus had an even barely able email system, that for the sake of being SAFE could send emails to say the police, teachers, building admins whatever..........one friggin email, to all person listed could have prevented or prepared these folks to protect themselves.

Conference calls...........I am sure the asshole admins know how they work..............everyone gets a call at the same time, and gets the message, shooting on campus, lock down.

Done with rant. To the admins of this college, you are really lame, your handling of this and the lame excuses you give, you should all be fired, sued and for lack of common sense.............sent to the school of hard knocks........
 
Example of emails. I have friends on my 360 in multiple countries. I can send the same email to all of them within oh say 5 seconds..........

But if you aren't at your computer -- how exactly do you read an email?

FWIW: My company does not allow you to SEND TO ALL employees of the company in one email. This stems from disgruntled employees sending offensive emails as they leave the company; others REPLYING TO ALL to such emails, which really bottlenecks the server. So, it's probably not as easy to do as you suggest.

It was a terrible thing, and hindsight is 20/20.
 
I personally think it was a pile of excuses, but Dave does bring up very valid points about using email as a warning system. It simply is not very good for urgent warnings, and would be pretty ineffective. Certainly those who got the email in a timely manner could warn other people, but phones, sirens, and other emergency communication would be more effective.
 
But if you aren't at your computer -- how exactly do you read an email?

FWIW: My company does not allow you to SEND TO ALL employees of the company in one email. This stems from disgruntled employees sending offensive emails as they leave the company; others REPLYING TO ALL to such emails, which really bottlenecks the server. So, it's probably not as easy to do as you suggest.

It was a terrible thing, and hindsight is 20/20.


I can send an email to your phone, and today with some and email systems you can monitor email continually.
 
I guess I have a question. Is it documented anywhere that police or campus officials knew, or suspected, it was Cho who commited the first two killings, at that time? If so they are culpable. If not there is no whey they could have tied the shooter in those two killings, to the info. they had on the mental instability of Cho.
A campus this big is not unsimilar to a small town. If you discover what appears to be a lover's quarrel gone bad; do you shut down the whole town? Is that reasonable? Maybe, but it is not the typical reaction.
We cannot prevent nuts from existing; likewise it is not reasonable to diminish the rights, of the legal and responsibly behaving rest of society, because of their existence. Danny's right, the only logical way to prevent or mitigate such events is allowing peolpe to arm themselves legally.
 
If you discover what appears to be a lover's quarrel gone bad; do you shut down the whole town? Is that reasonable? Maybe, but it is not the typical reaction.

You nailed it. Like I said, hindsight is 20/20 -- what appears clear after the fact is not the case as it unfolds.

These rare horrific events are always going to happen. Calling for their jobs over the VT shootings is just ridiculous.
 
Danny's right, the only logical way to prevent or mitigate such events is allowing peolpe to arm themselves legally.

And the Bill of Rights gives us all the right ....
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Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

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So what happened? How can so many places and local governments take that right away?
 
The other possible (not pc here folks) way to prevent this is to ALLOW legal firearms on the school grounds, and when someone starts shooting, kill them!

Bingo! "No plausible scenario" my arse!
 
I personally think it was a pile of excuses, but Dave does bring up very valid points about using email as a warning system. It simply is not very good for urgent warnings, and would be pretty ineffective. Certainly those who got the email in a timely manner could warn other people, but phones, sirens, and other emergency communication would be more effective.

Exactly Bob. An email to my phone with emergency information, like shooting in building XX, initiate plan XX to protect students and faculty. NOW granted these XX plans may not have been in effect or even in existance, in hindsight we can now make those a reality. In absence of those communication with security personel should be and quite possibly could have saved some of these people.

Lets make it like this, do your drivers have a plan if someone robs their truck. I dont know if they carry cash, and neither does a thief. What do you tell them to do, give it up, or what. If they are in a store and there is a robbery in progress, what do they do? What I am saying is that even in the absense of a disaster like this, there should be a plan for protecting life. The gentlemen at this college are giving excuses, not answers.

I have a plan for my home........loaded pistols and shotguns, ready to shoot anyone that comes in unwelcome with the intent to harm........ Yes I break the rules, loaded guns in the home..........no locks. Yes when the kids were here we all went to the gun range to see how dad's guns kill. Gallon jugs of water disintergrated by a blast from my shotgun told the kids, dont mess with this! Holes in coffee cans and soda bottles that blow up with dads pistol had the same effect. Education.......they never touched a gun in my home, period.
 
Danny, I have to say that I tend to agree with you on all your points. You can send an email to a cell phone, but not all. And it would be pretty tough for a school to keep track of cell phone numbers of college kids. I do think that the buildings could be locked down, and there PROBABLY is already a plan in place for that, if there is not, then that is a real problem.

As for my home, like you, we have a plan. And for my drivers, they have instructions on what they should do but much of it is up to their personal discretion as they are typically alone. Still, even alone, they have instructions and with any luck they remember them.

But I think that a 50+ acre college campus is much different than our homes, my truck fleet, etc. Each building is its own entity in many ways. It has people in charge at each building, be they the head professor of the deparment that operates in that building, or be they "resident assistants" who control each floor of a dormatory. Somehow there SHOULD have been a communication plan in place to reach the appropriate people at each building.

Further, someone should have acted by communicating to each building that SOMETHING very bad was happening on campus, even if they THOUGHT it was an isolated thing in only one building.

But I would say that we are in agreement all the way around. My daughter lived in this house for 12 years and never touched a gun until the day I started teaching her. She knew and obeyed the rules of the house, just like your kids.
 
Danny, I have to say that I tend to agree with you on all your points. You can send an email to a cell phone, but not all. And it would be pretty tough for a school to keep track of cell phone numbers of college kids. I do think that the buildings could be locked down, and there PROBABLY is already a plan in place for that, if there is not, then that is a real problem.

As for my home, like you, we have a plan. And for my drivers, they have instructions on what they should do but much of it is up to their personal discretion as they are typically alone. Still, even alone, they have instructions and with any luck they remember them.

But I think that a 50+ acre college campus is much different than our homes, my truck fleet, etc. Each building is its own entity in many ways. It has people in charge at each building, be they the head professor of the deparment that operates in that building, or be they "resident assistants" who control each floor of a dormatory. Somehow there SHOULD have been a communication plan in place to reach the appropriate people at each building.

Further, someone should have acted by communicating to each building that SOMETHING very bad was happening on campus, even if they THOUGHT it was an isolated thing in only one building.

But I would say that we are in agreement all the way around. My daughter lived in this house for 12 years and never touched a gun until the day I started teaching her. She knew and obeyed the rules of the house, just like your kids.


Maybe I was not clear, emails should be to those in charge at the individual buildings..........sending to the students would in fact be counter productive as you would have mass hysteria.

As for my kids and guns, it was out of FEAR.......My kids were and are great but they had issues with the new dad..........hehehhe LOL
 
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