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The EV politics project with Mike Murphy

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Tom talks with Mike Murphy, a well-known Republican political pundit and consultant. To discuss his latest venture the EV politics project. Which is aimed at getting more Republicans in to electric vehicles.

 
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Electric Vehicles (EVs) offer cleaner air, independence from foreign oil supplies, high performance, freedom from the gas pump and meaningful progress against climate change. Increasingly, consumers agree: Electric Vehicle sales in the United States have soared from approximately 150,000 units sold in 2016 to over 1,000,000 units sold last year (1.4 million if you also include plug-in hybrids). By 2028, the total Electric Vehicle market in the U.S. is expected to reach $161 billion with nearly 2.5 million EVs sold. Scores of new EV assembly, battery and component factories are either operational or under construction in America, creating an explosion in new EV jobs. The emergence of new EV battery technology promises longer vehicle driving ranges and cleaner batteries. Electric vehicle adoption is the future of mobility, so there can be no doubt that EV issues will be a growing part of America’s political agenda.
 
From my prospective, generally those that drive EV live in a city , put very few miles on there vehicle daily, where they work and live would have a way to charge it and finally mostly democrats support EV's because there politics command that they do, due to there green policies.

Those that generally wouldn't buy an EV live in rural areas, are using the vehicle most of the day, tow frequently, have very little time for charging and there is no charging infrastructure near where they live. Most people that live in rural areas are conservative.
 
I see no reason for EVs to be a political thing.

I think they fit very well for some people usage. Not so for others. Probably best as a 2nd vehicle for the majority of suburban and urban private homeowners. Possibly a primary vehicle for some of those as well.

Biggest problems are still the upfront costs. And the reality is that most American's today can NOT afford to buy a new ICE car, nor can they afford to buy a new Hybrid. Fewer yet can afford an EV. So until costs come down, EV's will remain a reasonably small % of total vehicles on the road. Currently they are a very tiny % of total vehicles on the road. And even in new car sales, they are only approaching 10% of sales. But since the "average" car on the road today is 12 years old, that means that EVs are probably under 2.5% of the total vehicles on the roads.
 
Quoting post #4;
"Electric Vehicles (EVs) offer cleaner air, independence from foreign oil supplies, high performance, freedom from the gas pump and meaningful progress against climate change."


None of this is actually true.

offer cleaner air
Nope. It just transfers the carbon footprint to a generator miles away.

independence from foreign oil supplies
Hardly. Not all crude oil is used in propulsion of IC powered autos. A significant percentage is used in Commercial aircraft, Train engines to haul loads of coal, and the petrol chemical industry.

High performance
Faster acceleration? At best....;
May entice drag racing but is irrelevant to safe driving. And often illegal.

freedom from the gas pump..
YEAH! Only now instead of fuel depots easily found on most street corners, one must search and find charging stations within the vehicle range. Plus, instead of five minutes to fuel up, one must wait 30 to 45 minutes for a charge.

meaningful progress against climate change.
How so? We still must burn something somewhere that emits carbon. And there is still no proof that such efforts to lower carbon emissions will accomplish that goal. A goal which BTW is still and unproven need.

We don't need the political scientist to tell us what we ought to do.
Go with the real science.

Electric autos have a place, a future in our transportation mix, but not a mandate to eliminate the IC engine. They simply won't do that.
 
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If anyone wants one, Hertz is selling Teslas for $14,000.00 to get rid of them, because no one rents them and repair costs are too high.
Thats not telling is it??
 
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If anyone wants one, Hertz is selling Teslas for $14,000.00 to get rid of them, because no one rents them and repair costs are too high.
Thats not telling is it??
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I have yet to find an article that says the rental rates are low.

In fact almost every article I've found says people enjoy renting/driving them.

But every single article says the damage repair costs (insurance) are very high.

Most of the articles also blame the residual value at the time of the sale as being way too low because the price depreciates too quickly. Much of that is due to the fact that Tesla, in an effort to build market share of new vehicles, and to hurt his competitors, aggressively cut prices across most of the model line. Price cuts ended up decreasing the residual value of the electric vehicles in the rental fleets.
 
m1west said:
If anyone wants one, Hertz is selling Teslas for $14,000.00 to get rid of them, because no one rents them and repair costs are too high.
Thats not telling is it??
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When I saw those article the first time I actually went to see if I could find a Tesla for that cheap of price. At that time they had some but the miles were extremely high. higher than I would be interested in purchasing, as I prefer to have vehicle's under warranty. They have some lower mileage ones but the price went up considerably on those.
 

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Rather new cars to have as high of milage as they do.
Reading between the lines I don't think they had any problem renting them

It is much more about the value of them used and the lowering of the new prices to gain market share.
That said, personally I would not have an issue with one in the 75K range.
If you look at the percentage of Tesla cars that need replacement batteries, you will find it very small.
For a run about here locally it would make a lot of sense. Cheap sense LOL! :tiphat:

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Rather new cars to have as high of milage as they do.
Reading between the lines I don't think they had any problem renting them

It is much more about the value of them used and the lowering of the new prices to gain market share.
That said, personally I would not have an issue with one in the 75K range.
If you look at the percentage of Tesla cars that need replacement batteries, you will find it very small.
For a run about here locally it would make a lot of sense. Cheap sense LOL! :tiphat:

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That is way high mileage for a rental car. Back in the mid 80's I had a detail shop and cleaned up, polished, added pin striping and door edge guards for a local Avis rent a car. At that time they took them out of service at 40k miles and sold them on there used car lot.
 
m1west said:
That is way high mileage for a rental car. Back in the mid 80's I had a detail shop and cleaned up, polished, added pin striping and door edge guards for a local Avis rent a car. At that time they took them out of service at 40k miles and sold them on there used car lot.
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The highest $14k unit I saw had 168,000 mi on it. Looks like they were keeping them to just pass the battery warranty. My opinion doesn't mean very much, but I think they're actually getting good money for as many miles that are on the vehicle's. You can buy a brand new one for 15 to 20k more (current ones for sale).
 
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Thank you for fixing my messy paste melensdad.
 
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