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Tesla BP deal

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BP announced today they have purchased $100 million worth of Tesla super charging stations for installation at their locations
starting next year.
The proliferation continues for EV adoption.
I remember corded power tools lol... :whistling:
 
and none of those super charging stations will operate on the standard voltage/amperage supplied to a gas station.
ooops.
And at every BP where they are installing, that issue will be taken care of. IF you bought $100M of anything, all the contingencies would
have to be taken care of. Don't you think?
 
the voltage and amperage required for a super charger is not in the realm of a 'usua'l electrical service.
installations will likely require heavier wire and higher capacity transformers way up the line somewhere.
250 kW charging = 250,000 watts, at 220v = 1,136 amps
and Tesla is touting 350-384 kW chargers,,,,
 
Seems like this is a discussion where EVERYONE can be correct at the same time.

BP is making a logical choice to add the chargers. They have the locations. Why not adapt? It makes sense.

Tesla has the best chargers, all the North American electric vehicles are transition to the Tesla compliant plug + the software.

The infrastructure needs to be boosted to support these. That is known too. In fact, a study in California suggests that for every gas pump there will need to be 20 charging locations (which can be public or private) and everything from power generation to transmission of that power needs to be upgraded.
 
the voltage and amperage required for a super charger is not in the realm of a 'usua'l electrical service.
installations will likely require heavier wire and higher capacity transformers way up the line somewhere.
250 kW charging = 250,000 watts, at 220v = 1,136 amps
and Tesla is touting 350-384 kW chargers,,,,
All DC fast chargers minus some 25 KW units use 3 phase power. Most use 480 volt three phase. Which most areas serve all commercial locations with this service. Now I'm speaking in the US. I have no clue on Canada. I am not trying to downplay. yes they use a very large amount of power. And demand charges are a real deal. But most commercial areas have this available. There's a huge difference when talking power consumption between single phase and three phase. There's also a huge price difference. Demand rates can be a killer but it also can be a savior because three phase power is generally cheaper.
 
I don't think it's a question of being right or being wrong.
there are issues - they exist outside of right/wrong.
solutions, on the other hand, have a huge right/wrong profile.
 
The infrastructure needs to be boosted to support these. That is known too. In fact, a study in California suggests that for every gas pump there will need to be 20 charging locations (which can be public or private) and everything from power generation to transmission of that power needs to be upgraded.
Very interesting. I wonder where they came up with that number. One of the highest benefits of having an EV is at home charging. And only having to use a fast charger on longer journeys. Yes, I know people live in apartments. People don't have garages etc etc. Just curious about the 20 chargers to one pump equation.

Talking with a few of my friends that work for Rocky mountain power, I think we're going to see a lot more vehicle to grid and home to grid solutions helping to support the grid.
 
BP announced today they have purchased $100 million worth of Tesla super charging stations for installation at their locations
starting next year.
The proliferation continues for EV adoption.
I remember corded power tools lol... :whistling:
I have a few battery tools 1- 3/8 Milwaukee impact and a Milwaukee power ratchet. They both work for what I use them for. But as a contractor all the larger power tools in the shop and the field still have cords on them. I will be retired before the batteries will work all day.
Very interesting. I wonder where they came up with that number. One of the highest benefits of having an EV is at home charging. And only having to use a fast charger on longer journeys. Yes, I know people live in apartments. People don't have garages etc etc. Just curious about the 20 chargers to one pump equation.

Talking with a few of my friends that work for Rocky mountain power, I think we're going to see a lot more vehicle to grid and home to grid solutions helping to support the grid.
Likely the 20 chargers to the pump is you can fill a gas tank a lot faster than charging a battery and folks don't have time to wait in a line all day.
 
One of the highest benefits of having an EV is at home charging.

I'm not sure but I'm guessing because most people don't live in places where they have a private garage to install a home charger. There are constant reports of cords being stolen when people charge them next to their home, in front of their home, etc. And many city dwellers, like my daughter, have access to a building garage but most have no ability to pull into their assigned slot and charge.
 
I went through this with Shell Oil 40 years ago. They had that figured out. As they put it, "That was the easy part."

However, back then, the Gubmint wasn't applying pressure for "alternatives" to the Petroleum powered IC engine. Shell was an "Oil Company." They sold oil products.

Now they are an "energy" provider/producer.

BP is smart to be in the game first. Frankly we are going in the direction of electric vehicles being a major part of the automotive family. That is a plain fact of life. The government would be of the best help, and serve the people better, if they took their foot of our throats and let it happen under natural economic forces.
 
BP is smart to be in the game first. Frankly we are going in the direction of electric vehicles being a major part of the automotive family. That is a plain fact of life. The government would be of the best help, and serve the people better, if they took their foot of our throats and let it happen under natural economic forces.
I suspect the new BP stations will have inside seating areas, serve some basic foods, etc. With gas/diesel vehicles we are in-and-out of the station in roughly 5 minutes. But even with DC fast chargers, the in-and-out with an EV is going to be 20-30 minutes. And since the range of an ICE vehicle is 25% to 75% longer, we visit stations less frequently than an EV would require. So thinking about it, unless you want to sit inside your car for a half hour every couple of days, the new BP stations are going to need MORE charging spots and are going to probably sell different foods/services.
 
I went through this with Shell Oil 40 years ago. They had that figured out. As they put it, "That was the easy part."

However, back then, the Gubmint wasn't applying pressure for "alternatives" to the Petroleum powered IC engine. Shell was an "Oil Company." They sold oil products.

Now they are an "energy" provider/producer.

BP is smart to be in the game first. Frankly we are going in the direction of electric vehicles being a major part of the automotive family. That is a plain fact of life. The government would be of the best help, and serve the people better, if they took their foot of our throats and let it happen under natural economic forces.
And exactly that is why some are resistant. Others it just won't work and its not going to work for a long time. There is a lot of innovation that still needs to happen, like what are you going to do when you run out in a remote area, I can see some kind of capacitor or second battery system in parallel that could be activated in an emergency to get you 50 miles like the reserve on a motorcycle or something similar. Like I said many times, I'm not opposed to the transition if it makes sense. Transitioning from ICE to EV doesn't make any sense at all in its current state of development and for those doing it for the environment, you are delusional and rolling coal wether you like it or not.
 
I suspect the new BP stations will have inside seating areas, serve some basic foods, etc. With gas/diesel vehicles we are in-and-out of the station in roughly 5 minutes. But even with DC fast chargers, the in-and-out with an EV is going to be 20-30 minutes. And since the range of an ICE vehicle is 25% to 75% longer, we visit stations less frequently than an EV would require. So thinking about it, unless you want to sit inside your car for a half hour every couple of days, the new BP stations are going to need MORE charging spots and are going to probably sell different foods/services.
It takes 10 to 115 minute to fuel a pickup, buy a coffee and take a pee. Which is what happens in most remote gas/diesel depots.
Hardy different than a quick charge. No were near as messy.

Besides that, if you can charge at home for daily commute and shopping, you won't visit a fuel depot. Time spent weekly at the pump replaced by a few more minutes on the long trips. So, BP will retain customers in the boonies they lost in the cities.

BP is forward thinking.
I'm betting THAT was in their logic.
 
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