Mama
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According to the White House's Office of Management and Budget (as of January of this year), the number of federal employees grew by 123,000, or 6.2%, under Obama.
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According to the White House's Office of Management and Budget (as of January of this year), the number of federal employees grew by 123,000, or 6.2%, under Obama.
mak2
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But the number of all government employees nationwide decreased.
joec
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So GM has outsourced its car building for decades to Canada and Mexico as does Ford, and Chrysler. The only GM product built in the US (some parts built overseas) is the Corvette. The only true American made cars are BMW, Honda, Toyota just to name a few. Fact is nothing is made completely in the USA any more and that includes Harley Davidson that claims they are as their breaks come from Japan and other parts from Germany. These things are assembled here and that is the problem with our economy on the whole as we don't make much in this country any more.
Joec I'm not trying.
Now, please,,,,Stop making a converstation personal when it isn't. I asked questions about your candidate. What good has he done? Your answer so far is "he tried."and then a comparison to his lukewarm predecessor.
You keep talking about GWB43. I simply don't understand how that is a proper measuring stick. But you insist. Not me.
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Multiple Guess Question. I ask that, for the moment, you stop grading Obama on the curve. Much less such an abreviated one. We should never grade our leaders on the bell curve.
What are the GOOD things Obama has done?
There are some. What is the shame in listing them?
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Mama
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You asked me about lies that Obama has told. One of the many he has told was, "The American automobile industry has come roaring back…So now I want to say what we did with the auto industry, we can do it in manufacturing across America. Let’s make sure advanced, high-tech manufacturing jobs take root here, not in China. And that means supporting investment here. Governor Romney … invested in companies that were called ‘pioneers’ of outsourcing. I don’t want to outsource. I want to insource"
joec
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Actually GM is the number one builder again in the world. Saving it save at least a million jobs perhaps up to 3 million nation wide. Now those are facts accept them or not. As for Romney he has outsourced more jobs than most would know as his business did outsource jobs to China and other countries like he paid his fair share of taxes with accounts in the Swiss banking system and the Caymen's. Romney would get my vote if he had a back bone but he doesn't in my opinion so leave it there Mama as we won't ever agree on this point. To me he is an empty suit that borrowed from his daddy to get him started like his son's did with him. He no more gives a damn about the working stiff as I do about the French.
Danang Sailor
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Joe, that's what I thought about Obama back in 2008, but look what happened. If things continue as they are now, there is
a very good chance the Islamic Supremacists he has been bowing to, apologizing to, and appeasing for the last 3.5 years
may just get Romney elected. And wouldn't that be a hoot!
joec
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Joe, that's what I thought about Obama back in 2008, but look what happened. If things continue as they are now, there is
a very good chance the Islamic Supremacists he has been bowing to, apologizing to, and appeasing for the last 3.5 years
may just get Romney elected. And wouldn't that be a hoot!
Do me a favor DS and I know you of all here will attempt to please show me the transcripts of where he apologized for anything the US has done. Please simply post a ligament sight with the transcripts as I keep hearing this with every single fact check sight saying it is BS.
Many states and local governments cut their sizes. Obama didn't do that.
In most cases it was RRepublican governors but in some cases it was Democratic ones. Such as Missouri.
Partly out of revenue shortfalls and partly out of voter demands. But the Feds did not. Up over 6%
Hell fire, 5,000 new IRS agents alone for Obamacare,,, and no other programs or Depts were cut.
joec
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Many states and local governments cut their sizes. Obama didn't do that.
In most cases it was RRepublican governors but in some cases it was Democratic ones. Such as Missouri.
Partly out of revenue shortfalls and partly out of voter demands. But the Feds did not. Up over 6%
Hell fire, 5,000 new IRS agents alone for Obamacare,,, and no other programs or Depts were cut.
Here are the facts as of 2010
http://www.opm.gov/feddata/historicaltables/totalgovernmentsince1962.asp
Danang Sailor
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Sharia notes that there are only two ways to destroy a copy of the Qu'ran that has been despoiled: by throwing it into
flowing water, or by burning it. When despoiled Qu'rans at Bagram AFB were burned, Muslims rioted and called for the
death of those responsible for the "outrageous sacrilege". Bear in mind, these books were burned, which is a sanctioned
method of desposal. Here is Obama's written response to Afghan President Karzai for this "offensive" authorized action:
“I wish to express my deep regret for the reported incident. I extend to you and the Afghan people my sincere apologies. We will take the
appropriate steps to avoid any recurrence, to include holding accountable those responsible."
A direct apology for our troops trying to do, and actually doing, the right thing in accordance with Islamic law.
I don't particularly like Hannity, so I ask you to overlook his portion of this video and just note the things Obama says. I
concede he doesn't use the word "apologize" but there can be no mistaking the connotation of what he is saying; these are
apologies couched in other words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DAXA0WVwxiE
There's more stuff out there, and it's pretty easy to find. Hopefully it will show there is validity to the comments
being made. BTW, you're right about the soi disant "fact check" sites denying that he ever said any such thing, which has
frankly made me believe they are either staffed by wholly ignorant people, or have an agenda they're following. If
you wish to believe them vs what I have posted that is your privilege ... but I feel you're more honest than that.
Time for bed. If necessary we can continue this tomorrow.
Sharia notes that there are only two ways to destroy a copy of the Qu'ran that has been despoiled: by throwing it into
flowing water, or by burning it. When despoiled Qu'rans at Bagram AFB were burned, Muslims rioted and called for the
death of those responsible for the "outrageous sacrilege". Bear in mind, these books were burned, which is a sanctioned
method of desposal. Here is Obama's written response to Afghan President Karzai for this "offensive" authorized action:
“I wish to express my deep regret for the reported incident. I extend to you and the Afghan people my sincere apologies. We will take the
appropriate steps to avoid any recurrence, to include holding accountable those responsible."
A direct apology for our troops trying to do, and actually doing, the right thing in accordance with Islamic law.
I don't particularly like Hannity, so I ask you to overlook his portion of this video and just note the things Obama says. I
concede he doesn't use the word "apologize" but there can be no mistaking the connotation of what he is saying; these are
apologies couched in other words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DAXA0WVwxiE
There's more stuff out there, and it's pretty easy to find. Hopefully it will show there is validity to the comments
being made. BTW, you're right about the soi disant "fact check" sites denying that he ever said any such thing, which has
frankly made me believe they are either staffed by wholly ignorant people, or have an agenda they're following. If
you wish to believe them vs what I have posted that is your privilege ... but I feel you're more honest than that.
Time for bed. If necessary we can continue this tomorrow.
joec
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Ok now I want you to think for a minute also. He apologized for something they perceived to be wrong to their religion regardless of facts, and in doing so might of probably saved American lives in the process. You think a simple "I'm sorry it happened and won't happen again is wrong" in a situation where we are trying to win the hearts and minds of a people as backward as that part of the world is wrong? What would you suggest perhaps just nuking them over it?
Now with that said, I asked did he go around the world apologizing for things the US did in the past not under his watch. That is what I keep hearing so that is what I asked. If I remember correctly it didn't happen other than isolated incidents such as this and Bush with the prison abuse under his watch. So please point it out as I heard this long before this incident actually before he was sworn in more than a few months.
Now with that said, I asked did he go around the world apologizing for things the US did in the past not under his watch. That is what I keep hearing so that is what I asked. If I remember correctly it didn't happen other than isolated incidents such as this and Bush with the prison abuse under his watch. So please point it out as I heard this long before this incident actually before he was sworn in more than a few months.
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mak2
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I have been sitting here watching big stretchs of the tape of Romney. I am beggening to think this might be faked. I cant beleive he said such stupid stuff. I guess he did think he was in private. I dont think it is over, but if he is going to win it better be forgotten by at least 47% of Americans. Remember this guy wants to tax the poor, give the rich tax breaks, and wont show his tax returns. Great campagin so far.
For a couple of years now I have feared that the current administration only has the class ware fare card to play. It is a powerful card if played correctly. On the other side we have the classic repulican answer to all things that come down the pike, a tax cut for the wealthy. I hope franc is right about his assesment of this, but I feel he may not be.
NPR was a bitch to listen to yeterday as they (with our tax dollars) framed Romney as a no good rich dude who hasn't got a clue to how Americans live and work and freeload the Gobvernment....If Romney wins I hope he cleans this rat hole out. I so sick and tired of the gay's presant on NPR pining for their "rights", and now this. It's like the Obummer people are NPR...
Axlerod is winning this leg of the race, by keeping Romney on the run, defending himself. When is Romney going to go on the attack? Time to kick some ass and he's wimping along with nothing but a weak defence. He better pull his head out of the hole it's in, and attack with all he has. Not much time is left.
Regards, Kirk
NPR was a bitch to listen to yeterday as they (with our tax dollars) framed Romney as a no good rich dude who hasn't got a clue to how Americans live and work and freeload the Gobvernment....If Romney wins I hope he cleans this rat hole out. I so sick and tired of the gay's presant on NPR pining for their "rights", and now this. It's like the Obummer people are NPR...
Axlerod is winning this leg of the race, by keeping Romney on the run, defending himself. When is Romney going to go on the attack? Time to kick some ass and he's wimping along with nothing but a weak defence. He better pull his head out of the hole it's in, and attack with all he has. Not much time is left.
Regards, Kirk
Whether you admit to the"apology" application or not, I seriously doubt it saved any American lives. There is no evidence of that. Quite the opposite. The riots went on despite Barak's words to the Nation of Islam.
But we digress. The muslim propaganda machine embarassed the President of the USA (our CIC) into asking forgiveness of the enemy, for our troops doing what was actualy the right thing to do. By any reasonable measure, a "gaf" of strategic failure.
Kane
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By all accounts and statistics, Romney is right on the mark. His words, although harsh, speak the truth. America has evolved into the nanny state - with 47% believing in a society based upon entitlements VS. 47% that still believe in the meritocracy.
THIS IS THE MESSAGE. Mitt Romney needs to double down, finally, on his core beliefs and run with the message. He needs to leave his cautious handlers in Boston and run his own campaign.
Do we want to continue down the path of an ever-growing entitlement society? ... the very one Barack Hussein Obama has embraced and grown larger? Do we want to spend America over the fiscal cliff? ... and leave Obama's overwhelming debt to our grandchildren? Do we want go forward with Obama's failed model of wealth redistribution? ... wherein everyone suffers equally in the bane of social mediocrity?
OR ...
Do we want to return (if it is still at all possible) to the Constitutional genius of a charitable society based upon merit ... wherein the tide of entrepreneurial prosperity raises ALL boats?
Vote on November 6th.
mak2, you can vote on the 7th.
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THIS IS THE MESSAGE. Mitt Romney needs to double down, finally, on his core beliefs and run with the message. He needs to leave his cautious handlers in Boston and run his own campaign.
Do we want to continue down the path of an ever-growing entitlement society? ... the very one Barack Hussein Obama has embraced and grown larger? Do we want to spend America over the fiscal cliff? ... and leave Obama's overwhelming debt to our grandchildren? Do we want go forward with Obama's failed model of wealth redistribution? ... wherein everyone suffers equally in the bane of social mediocrity?
OR ...
Do we want to return (if it is still at all possible) to the Constitutional genius of a charitable society based upon merit ... wherein the tide of entrepreneurial prosperity raises ALL boats?
Vote on November 6th.
mak2, you can vote on the 7th.
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34 year old grandson of a President. With no job prospects.
Apparently spends his day going thru U-Tubes on the internet.
(his own words, not mine)
The man had the advantage from birth.
The man had the indoctrination since birth
Hmmmmh?,,,,, I guess he needs an entitlement state.
Apparently spends his day going thru U-Tubes on the internet.
(his own words, not mine)
The man had the advantage from birth.
The man had the indoctrination since birth
Hmmmmh?,,,,, I guess he needs an entitlement state.
Why do you guys insist on using the standard of Bush/Chaney?
I believe B H Obama's campaign and the voters already spokeon tht in November of 2008. With the exception of the belicose responses to 9/11 I wouldn't call it all that good. If we must compare Barry to other Presidents,,,,,pick Carter, or Johnson or even Clinton.
But why not chose the word "good" as it is. because your answer are completely partisan and so are your standards.
Webster is not partisan.
Now tell us what good things were done.
Can you not do that without comparing performance on a bell curve of your choosing?
Is Barry's record that dismal? Surely there are specific items that stand on their own without saying,"well it was better thatn the other guy I don't really like."
Infantile, truley kindercare logic. Put some big boy pants on and give it a try.
joec
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I wonder how many here understand that there is a slight difference between income tax and payroll tax. The main one is payroll tax is on total amount and income tax has set maximums built in as well as many of the very ones not paying taxes are doing so due to Republican tax cuts in the past. I pay a higher percentage (about 2.5 times) what Romney did based on his taxes that he let out. If you work you pay taxes, if you are on social security you can make up to $14,600 a year tax free for 2012 but subject to change on a year to year basis. Every one pays some form of sales tax, state taxes etc. No one is free of taxes period.
joec
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Sure I could but you wouldn't accept them as good regardless. So arguing this point is a waste really. You won't accept facts unless the agree with your point of view sighing the source, or what ever. This discussion has now run its course without solving anything and none of the forum discussion will. I don't need to vent my hate as it seems many here do have to do.
Sure I could but you wouldn't accept them as good regardless. So arguing this point is a waste really. You won't accept facts unless the agree with your point of view sighing the source, or what ever. This discussion has now run its course without solving anything and none of the forum discussion will. I don't need to vent my hate as it seems many here do have to do.
So you're jus' not gonna?
That's a shame. Because there are some positives.
On health care, he has insisted on removing the pre existing condition as an impediment.
I like the option to keep kids on a program until 26 years old. Specialy if you are housing them through College.
On Foreign issues;
He has had no hesitation in putting to death those who would harm or threaten our citizens abroad. I cite the Pirates off of Somalia.
He has targeted known terrorist and enemies of the STATE and sent ordinace or surgical strike teams to kill them as well.
Banking,
He has actualy tried to improve cash flow to the banks so they could lend.
He has helped the Wall street crowd restore much of the strenght of 401 and pension portfolios.
He has restored some of the auto manufacturing under US ownership.
In a reprise of Katrina,called Isaac, he stayed clear and therefore politics did not make worse, for those poor souls involved, a bad situation.
He has brought to a head the abcess we all know as the Iran/Isreal conflict that has festered our world for 70 years. That fever will likely break on his watch. A good thing if the brinkmanship finaly settles without bloodshed. A bad thing if it does not. But continuing on a course of continued brinksmanship, most assuredly bad.
See, that wasn't so hard.
I cannot agree with all his methods, but I cannot say these were bad things. In fact they easily meet the level of good things. I would suggest you search the record of the man you support so blindly and see what you might find.
Term limits meant Bush/ Cheney had to leave after 2008. Certainly the left is proud of something besides defeating GWB43?
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Danang Sailor
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The Muslim reaction to our troops burning the despoiled Qu'rans, in accordance with Sharia for goodness sake, was
in my opinion false, nothing more than a pretext for more anti-U.S. violence. You might argue that the Muslim-in-the-street
was ignorant of this, but the rage was supported and encouraged by Imams, who should have no such excuse. It is my
feeling that no country should ever have to apologize for honoring local religious practice. This is clearly different
from Bush responding for the abuses at Abu Ghraib.
As to apologizing for things done before his watch, that was the basic subject of the video I attached. Perhaps you don't
see it that way since the word "apology" wasn't directly spoken, but nonetheless those statements were apologies
couched in other words. I can't see another way to take them without seriously twisting the meaning of the words.
If he made apologetic statements as an Illinois or U.S. Senator I am not aware of them. Now that you have peaked my
interest I'll have to look around and see what, if anything, I can find.
joec
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I don't understand the shock and blame on Obama. I remember that part of the world doing the same in regards to a cartoon, a prison in a part of the world were the locals kill each other. It is like blaming Bush for 911 is a waste since it was done by people that want to live 2000 years in the past. I happen to disagree with Bush and Obama on these wars but then I spent a few years in that part of the world unlike either of them did. I actually listened to what the local people said also about us and other none believers. If it was up to me and will never be, I would be out of that part of the world never to return and let their neighbors, Russia, Europe, China, India handle it and stop all business with them including allowing them in this country. Oh and that includes Israel too as they are not allied with us either as they want us to rubber stamp what they want and damned the fact we have our own problem.
At this point as I have already said short of nuking that whole part of the world which won't happen we are stuck with those in power regardless of party since that part of the world is in the interest of those with the real world powers not the elected officials in this or any other country but the real powers in this world.
Now I will simply bow out of this since you all would rather piss and moan about how bad things are for you all and vent in a forum. Sorry I have a life to live now so see you on the flip side.
Danang Sailor
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Sorry to see you go. We don't always agree, but I enjoy the exchanges as they make me think and research, which is
good for the brain pan.
Later, then.
That's BS Joec, Why the tantrum
I din't bitchand moana bout how bad things were. I asked you to tell us how good things were. As I recall, you refused.
I even offered my contributions to that end.
So now you go off. WTF man.
Bitch and Moan? Geez.
joec
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Yes and I have posted a number of times with facts from various publications just to be told they are bogus. No tantrum either Franc just stating a fact about the mind set in this group. If you want a tantrum then go to PM method as I will not ever lose my temper with this group again. Just not worth the aggravation any more.
Now back on point, I've also posted a number of rebukes to many statements made here as fact which aren't and again told it was a liberal base spreed spin.
Facts more jobs created in over a two year period under Obama than under the last two of Bush. Stock market up now when down before. Unemployment still high but going the right direction. A nationals health care plan in the works for the first time in history. Now that needs to be improved and I'm sure it will over time either way I don't have a dog in that hunt at all. Stopped the bleeding of money in a stupid war in Iraq and soon Afghanistan. The US no longer a joke using cowboy diplomacy with adults at the wheel. With that I will also clarify as well as not all diplomacy always works regardless.
Now back on point, I've also posted a number of rebukes to many statements made here as fact which aren't and again told it was a liberal base spreed spin.
Facts more jobs created in over a two year period under Obama than under the last two of Bush. Stock market up now when down before. Unemployment still high but going the right direction. A nationals health care plan in the works for the first time in history. Now that needs to be improved and I'm sure it will over time either way I don't have a dog in that hunt at all. Stopped the bleeding of money in a stupid war in Iraq and soon Afghanistan. The US no longer a joke using cowboy diplomacy with adults at the wheel. With that I will also clarify as well as not all diplomacy always works regardless.
I would say that most of what you presented are basicaly good things. I did not list them because, so far,they are only good intentions. Intentions are but blossoms. Pretty and enticing. But, the fruit is not yet presented.
And sufficient time has passed for that. Per his own pre election promises.
These are still good things. But Obama has not done them alone. He should be careful the credit he heaps upon himself for the success of others. I believe,if he did, his credibility would improve immensly.
My opinion of course.
See, that wasn't so bad.
joec
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Fact is he did this in the first two years with nothing since due to a congress with a mind set if he wants it then their against it. Today alone they turned down a jobs bill for veterans and have voted to repeal Obama care with the same result a number of times coming to the same conclusion. The current congress has done nothing since 2010 and that is on both sides. Without a congress no president regardless can get jack done unless you think Presidents have the powers to write laws and make changes normally done by a congress.
Cogress won't play with him?
Let's not go there JOEC. That corridor has two ends.
And he slammed the door on his side.
Harry Reid on the other.