I don't know but you sure took the side of the police and robbery of rights in this matter!
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Pre-Crime Policing: SWAT teams demand innocent man turn himself in, turn over guns!
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I don't know but you sure took the side of the police and robbery of rights in this matter!
Cowboy
Wait for it.
I aint takin either side , Just My Opinion are the Cops/Swat whatever , over reacted without investing further , Talk about overkill . But I,m only assuming they were following orders & that sucks & whoever gave the orders is at fault . Sure there may be more reasons for it . But if it was out of others fear that others lives could be in Danger , There damn sure should have been a warrant .
Pyle on the other hand Gave up his rights when he fell for their deal & agreed to turn himself in beleiving they,d do what they said . Faults on both sides as far as I,m concerned .
Just doesn,t ad up to Me , You bring that kind of Firepower into any Neighbor hood , People are going to be evacuated from the area & the Cameras are going to be rolling . So yes it would be great to here the whole story . If THEY are considering the case closed/no charges made & weapons returned , Thats a Huge red flag to me somebody screwed up & it dont sound like it was Pyle IMHO .
Cityboy
Banned
Clearly they did initially. Otherwise why even make contact with Pyles. After they picked Pyles up and took him for his mental evaluation, the district attorney most likey advised the return of Pyles weapons.
As you are aware, this may not be the end of the issue for Pyles. If the DA determines a crime was comitted, they can still bring charges. OTOH, if the police did actually act improperly, Pyles can go after them.
This story has obviously not played out completely yet.
SShepherd
New member
here's more info I was able to find:
Pyles' problems began last June after a series of grievances with his employer, the Oregon Department of Transportation. "This was always a professional thing for me," he says. "It was never personal. We were handling the grievances through the process stipulated in the union contract." Pyles declined to discuss the nature of the complaints, citing stipulations in his contract.
On March 4, Pyles was placed on administrative leave, which required him to work from home. On March 5, 6, and 7, after getting his income tax refund, he made three purchases of five firearms. Pyles describes himself as a gun enthusiast, who had already owned several weapons. All three new purchases required an Oregon background check, which would have prohibited the transactions had Pyles ever been convicted of a felony or a misdemeanor involving violence, or been committed by the state to a mental health institution. Pyles says he has no criminal record, and says he never threatened anyone in his office. (A specific threat of violence would have likely brought a criminal charge.) The Oregon State Police, the Medford Police Department, and the Oregon Department of Transportation did not respond to requests for comment
Pyles' problems began last June after a series of grievances with his employer, the Oregon Department of Transportation. "This was always a professional thing for me," he says. "It was never personal. We were handling the grievances through the process stipulated in the union contract." Pyles declined to discuss the nature of the complaints, citing stipulations in his contract.
On March 4, Pyles was placed on administrative leave, which required him to work from home. On March 5, 6, and 7, after getting his income tax refund, he made three purchases of five firearms. Pyles describes himself as a gun enthusiast, who had already owned several weapons. All three new purchases required an Oregon background check, which would have prohibited the transactions had Pyles ever been convicted of a felony or a misdemeanor involving violence, or been committed by the state to a mental health institution. Pyles says he has no criminal record, and says he never threatened anyone in his office. (A specific threat of violence would have likely brought a criminal charge.) The Oregon State Police, the Medford Police Department, and the Oregon Department of Transportation did not respond to requests for comment
Cityboy
Banned
Actually, I have not taken anyones side per se, I'm just looking at the larger issue, and also realizing no one here has ALL the facts as yet. We have all seen workplace killings where the shooter was a guy like Pyles who was loud and made threats, and otherwise acted irrationally just prior to showing up at work and murdering his coworkers. Something about Pyles behaviour caught the attention of the police.
As to the behavior of the cops, nobody here is more pro civil rights than me, and if a cop misuses his or her authority and abuses a citizen, then they should pay with the loss of their job and if what they did was felonious, with prison tme. I don't know if that is the case here or not, so I'm waiting until I can actually see the police report to decide.
Now, I asked you earlier, as I asked another member, and I am not playing word games here. I'm serious:
How would you feel if your wife or kids or other loved one worked with a guy like Pyles, and the cops did nothing whatsoever after being informed by several witness statements, and this guys shows up and murdered your loved ones?
If you will honestly frame the situation like this, and actually consider the possibility, it gives a different perspective on the situation.
Yeah another life ruined and rights robbed by overzealous LE ............
Witness statements of what? Obviously I'd be crushed emotionally for my loss but it frankly doesn't supersede his rights. Just as possible he could go in and give everyone candy. All this is hypothetical and clearly constructed to enhance your opinion.
Cityboy
Banned
How is his life ruined? He was already on administrative leave for his behavior/performance. He is also an active union member and had several active grievances against management (No crime or problem there). Usually, most folks here are not too sympathetic to union members problems..... At any rate, this guy appears to be a problem union employee facing disciplinary action, so at least some of his problems are self inflicted.
I'll agree even accused murderers have legal rights that should be respected. But again, we don't have all the facts. He may have made threats, and as we know, if you threaten the president, for example, you will get a visit from the USSS, and you'll suffer some stress and maybe criminal charges too. Not a smart thing to do. Threats of bodily harm are crimes in some states. I don't know about Oregon though.
Bottom line, I doubt Pyles is totally innocent and undeserving of the stress he is going through right now.