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Mid-Term Elections Who's gonna win?

What will the Mid-Term Election Results Be?


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OkeeDon said:
Bob, how on Earth did you miss the Florida election between Senator Bill Nelson and Katherine Harris?. . .

I;d say that's a retention seat for the Democrats
Don, I only cited elections that might change party where the seats are in play if it is a lock, its not really in play. If it is a sure lock for the Dems, there is no reason to even list it. The questions posed by most people seem to be will the Dems take over or will the Repubs hold. That said, the questions can be distilled down to how many seats are really in play on the GOP side and where will those seats go. I don't see any seats going from DEM to REP, so if it is solid blue, no reason to key in on it. In that race it is going from one blue to another blue.

Now to totally refute what I wrote above, BARRON'S believes the GOP will hold both the house and senate. In part they write (and there is a lot more to the story than I am posting).

http://online.barrons.com/public/ar...HYY4_20061120.html?mod=9_0002_b_free_features

Survivor!
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,Serif]The GOP Victory[/FONT]
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JUBILANT DEMOCRATS SHOULD RECONSIDER their order for confetti and noisemakers. The Democrats, as widely reported, are expecting GOP-weary voters to flock to the polls in two weeks and hand them control of the House for the first time in 12 years -- and perhaps the Senate, as well. Even some Republicans privately confess that they are anticipating the election-day equivalent of Little Big Horn. Pardon our hubris, but we just don't see it.
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Our analysis -- based on a race-by-race examination of campaign-finance data -- suggests that the GOP will hang on to both chambers, at least nominally. We expect the Republican majority in the House to fall by eight seats, to 224 of the chamber's 435. At the very worst, our analysis suggests, the party's loss could be as large as 14 seats, leaving a one-seat majority. But that is still a far cry from the 20-seat loss some are predicting. In the Senate, with 100 seats, we see the GOP winding up with 52, down three
We studied every single race -- all 435 House seats and 33 in the Senate -- and based our predictions about the outcome in almost every race on which candidate had the largest campaign war chest, a sign of superior grass-roots support. We ignore the polls. Thus, our conclusions about individual races often differ from the conventional wisdom. Pollsters, for instance, have upstate New York Republican Rep. Tom Reynolds trailing Democratic challenger Jack Davis, who owns a manufacturing plant. But Reynolds raised $3.3 million in campaign contributions versus $1.6 million for Davis, so we score him the winner.
Likewise, we disagree with pollsters of both parties who see Indiana Republican Rep. Chris Chocola getting whomped by Democratic challenger Joe Donnelly, a lawyer and business owner from South Bend. Chocola has raised $2.7 million, versus $1.1 million for Donnelly. Ditto in North Carolina, where we see Republican Rep. Charles Taylor beating Democrat Heath Shuler, a former NFL quarterback, because of better financing. Analysts from both parties predict a Shuler upset.
 
OkeeDon said:
Both the House and the Senate have one member who identifies himself as an independent, but aligns with the Democrats. Is that counted as part of the Democratic number?

Nope independents don't count. Which side are you sticking Lieberman on if he wins? ;)

Being as my US Constitutional knowledge is not that strong. What happens with a "draw" and the only outstanding seat is an Independent. Which side wins "control"? Do both sides have to try and convince the independent to switch to their team?
 
PB, Independents are powerless unless they align with one side or the other. That alingmnet usually takes the form of caucusing with the party of their choice. All of the current Independents caucus with the Democrats, and Lieberman has promised the same if he wins.

Bob, Barron's states they ignore the polls and concentrate on the war chests. I ignore the polls and the war chests and go on gut instinct. However, my gut instinct is heavily influenced by what I see as logic and reason. I can't imagine anyone voting for Allen over Tester in Virginia, for example, so I give that seat to Tester. I also can't imagine anyone passing up a chance to vote for Harold Ford In Tennessee, and I never heard of Corker, so I give that seat to Ford.

Likewise, I've watched the debates for the Connecticut seat, and I can't imagine anyone voting for Schlesinger, and Leiberman was booted by the Dems, so I originally gave the win to Lamont. I failed to recognize that the GOP is perfectly willing to make the wrong choice, once again shooting themselves in the foot, and vote in Leiberman. So, now I reluctantly give the win to Leiberman. In Pennsylvania, I can't imagine anyone who has an ounce of awareness in their bodies voting for Santorum, so I give it to Casey. And, so forth with the other races.

Finally, I hardly expect the GOP to "...flock to the polls in two weeks and hand them control of the House..." as stated in the Barron's article; rather I expect the GOP to stay away from the polls in droves and let the Dems win by default. That way, they get the change they subsconsciously realize the country needs, but don't have a guilt trip over voting for it.

Remember, it's the GOP who has let their supporters down. Whether it's spending (out of control), foreign policy (totally screwed up) or their beloved moral values (Yeah, sure, the GOP is good at that -- did you hear about the staffers in Karl Rove's office laughing at the religious right?), the GOP has shot themselves in the foot once again.
 
OkeeDon said:
I can't imagine anyone voting for Allen over Tester in Virginia, for example, so I give that seat to Tester.

I usually just sit on the sidelines on these discussions but I have a question. Who is Tester??

George Allen is running against Jim Webb.

Jim
 
jim slagle said:
I usually just sit on the sidelines on these discussions but I have a question. Who is Tester??

George Allen is running against Jim Webb.

Jim
My bad. I made a list with the Dems on one side and the GOP on the other. Somehow, when I looked for Virginia, I got Montana by mistake. I was thinking Webb, remembering his service as Secretary of the Navy, etc., but some fickle sort of something like dsylexia let me write Tester.

You are absolutely correct; Webb is running against Allen and I picked hiim. Tester is a Dem running against someone named Burns in Montana; I'm not familiar with either one, but an article I read gave the tip to Tester, as does Bob's list.
 
OkeeDon said:
when I looked for Virginia, I got Montana by mistake.

No problem, very similar places, except one is much too close to Washington DC :yankchain:



Since I live in Virginia, do I get bonus points for actually knowing who is running?
 
jim slagle said:
Since I live in Virginia, do I get bonus points for actually knowing who is running?
Bonus points from who? You know how you have to vote if you want points from me...:whistle:

Seriously, you're probably in the minority of citizens. The awareness may be slightly higher in Virginia because of all the government workers who live there.

The ones who aren't going to vote are unlikely to know, and a significant number of those who will vote will get their first look at the candidates when they read the ballot. They'll vote for whoever's name they remember; Webb should therefore win because he used to star in Dragnet...:thumb:
 
Here's Boort's take on it. He may well be right.

http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html

Today's Nuze
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Monday, October 23, 2006
TWO WEEKS TO GO
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That huge midterm election hits two weeks from tomorrow.

With her party's control of the House of Representatives all but assured for January 2007, Nancy Pelosi is getting excited. The current House Democrat in line for the Speakership, Nancy Pelosi was asked what offices she would use as Speaker. Her response: "I'll have any suite I want." How nice.

So is her optimism premature? Nope. If anything, certain Republicans and a few media outlets that think the GOP might retain control are downright delusional. It isn't going to happen. Sure .. something spectacular could happen during the next two weeks. Osama bin Laden could release a videotape telling Democrats to be sure to get out the vote in two weeks. He may think it, but he isn't going to say it ... so at this point I'm still saying this one is going to be a blowout.

Know this. The wounds here will be entirely self-inflicted. Despite a very unpopular war, there were plenty of opportunities for the Republican Party to make its case with the American people and keep their majorities. There was illegal immigration. Tax policy. Social Security. Government spending. But they were MIA in all areas. The Republicans have a three item agenda. We aren't democrats, we will protect America, and we won't raise taxes.
Sorry ... this time it won't be enough.

So next January, you'll be able to turn on C-SPAN and see Dennis Hastert hand the gavel over to Nancy Pelosi. One thing's for sure...it will make for interesting times indeed.
 
OkeeDon said:
Remember, it's the GOP who has let their supporters down. Whether it's spending (out of control), foreign policy (totally screwed up) or their beloved moral values (Yeah, sure, the GOP is good at that -- did you hear about the staffers in Karl Rove's office laughing at the religious right?), the GOP has shot themselves in the foot once again.

Every now and then, you post something I agree with Don. They did shoot themselves in the foot trying to look like Democrats. Can't have it both ways. The Reps might squeak this one out with voter turnout, but I will not be surprised to wake up the morning after election to hear "Speaker Pelosi" being interviewed on the news.

All that said, as stinky as the Reps are, I still won't be checking any "D's" on election day; though I might as well, because I can't see a lick of difference between them from here.
 
OkeeDon said:
Remember, it's the GOP who has let their supporters down. Whether it's spending (out of control), foreign policy (totally screwed up) or their beloved moral values (Yeah, sure, the GOP is good at that -- did you hear about the staffers in Karl Rove's office laughing at the religious right?), the GOP has shot themselves in the foot once again.

You're right, the republicans have let down the so-called "religious right".

If any democrat wishes to step away from the "party line" on abortion, gay marriage, or other "moral type" issues, they will have my vote in a heartbeat. You can count on it!!!

In the meantime, I'll have to go with the one who claims they support certain issues rather than the one who clearly is against them... they'll just have to disappoint me later when they turn their backs on the people who elected them.
 
Generally I think AndyM makes some great observations about Dems, and I also think (because I know a lot of them) that many non-politically aware Democrats have no clue how liberal the Democratic party has become, and how out of sync the party is with a very large % of the Democratic voters.

Now the Repubs have been a major let down too. They have obviously moved way to the left. But I think OkeeDon's view of the party is probably not very accurate. There are many of us who have called ourselves Republicans who are not members of the Religious Right, despite the fact that many of us are people of faith. Many of us are not unhappy to see the Religious Right knocked down a peg or two. What troubles me are politicians like Richard Lugar who have given up on gun rights, who is becoming a bigger spender the longer he is in Washington, and who is still well respected; that combination is dangerous.

The GOP is moving rapidly left to fill the void of the moderate Dems who must remain silent. Moderate Dems are out of lockstep with the ultra liberal national party views. That leaves people like me looking at the hopelessly inadequate Liberatarian party and that is a sad event too.
 
I thought I was at least a teensy bit politically aware, but I find that by Bob's definition, I am not, because I have "no clue how liberal the Democratic party has become, and how out of sync the party is with a very large % of the Democratic voters."

You see, the Democratic Party I have been observing for the past 12 years or so has moved solidly to the right. I've seen the Democrats take over some of the most talked-about issues of the right and actually do something about them instead of just talking and promising. I've seen the Democrats become the party of fiscal responsibility as opposed to the wild spending and ridiculous tax cuts for the wealthy. I've seen Democrats become the party of law and order. And, I've seen far more foreign policy successes under Democrats than I have under any Republican since the early Reagan days.

The things you think are still true about the Democrats are the reason why I say you are all seeing only what you want to see, not the real world. You have been brainwashed by the right-wing talk show folks.

And, Andy, I've seen Democrats take a reasonable position regarding your "moral type" issues. They are actually closer to Bob's beloved Libertarians. They believe in making no law regarding these issues. They will not make abortions illegal, but they will not force anyone to have an abortion, either. It becomes a matter of individual choice and responsibility, positions the Republicans love to talk about but actually never do.

You see, if your favorite agenda is passed, it amounts to government interfering in the lives of individuals. The Republicans claim they believe in people, but they want to take away the individual's choice in these matters. Be very careful -- these are religious issues, not government issues. If you succeed in getting laws passed on these areas, and the government changes, there is no telling what a new form of government may force you to do, using the precedent of laws pushed through by the religious right. You would be well advised to back off and keep those issues between you and your God, where they belong. If you actually plan to let the country go to hell in a hand basket on all other issues (war, economics, trade, human rights, environment and dozens more) because the liars claim they support your issues, in order to fool you into voting for them, then you deserve what you will get. Your position is dangerous for the country as a whole. The sad thing is that they ARE lying to you -- at least you know where you stand with the Dems.
 
B_Skurka said:
Just my opinion, but I'd say the Republicans will lose 4 Senate seats, so the Democrats will gain 4 seats.

Democrat Held seats up for election: VERY LIKELY RETENTION FOR DEMS. . .
Michigan (Stabenow)
Minnesota [open seat] (Democrat Dayton likely to win)
Nebraska (Nelson)
Vermont [open seat] (independant/Dem Jeffords likely to win)
Washington (Cantwell)
West Virginia (Byrd)


Democrat Held seats up for election: LEANING Democratic retention. . .
Maryland [open seat] (Sarbanes likely to win)
New Jersey (Menendez . . . looks a little close but leaning Dem)

Republican Held seats up for election: LIKELY RETENTION. . .
Arizona (Kyl)

Republican Held seats LEANING toward GOP retention . . .
Tennessee [open] (Frist)
Missouri (Talent)
Virginia (Allen)


Repbulican Held seats LEANING towards DEM win . . .

Ohio (DeWine)
Rhone Island (Chafee, but then he vots Dem most of the time anyway!)

Republican Held seats likely taken over by Democrats . . .
Montana (Burns)
Pennsylvania (Santorum)


For whatever my opinion is worth, it is possible, based on the polling data that I see (I subscribed to several services), that the Democrats could pick up 20 seats in the House and take control of the house. I don't see that as likely, but using the same logic that I used above, it is possible. I'd bet it will tighten up some over the next couple weeks, but I do NOT see the Democrats losing any of the 13 seats they have up for election.


On the other hand, I see 11 seats that the GOP will very likely lose to the Democrats.

AZ -8
CO-7
FL-16 (see OkeeDon's posts re Foley)
IA-1
IN-2
IN-8
NC-11
NY-26
PA-7
PA-10
TX-22 (Tom DeLay's seat)

There are 9 additional GOP seats that are currently held, but leaning toward a Democratic takeover now. Some of these races are pretty tight and some are up for grabs, but they are trending toward a Democratic takeover.

CT-2
CT-4
FL-22
IN-9
KY-4
NM-1
OH-15
OH-18
PA-6
I don't think I did too badly with these predictions. I don't actually take credit for these, it is a compilation of some political newsletters that I read.

Burns and Allen are still in play. The Senate is still up for grabs. It could stay with the Republicans, it could tie 50R-48D/2I, at which place it would end up with the Republicans in a tie since the VP can cast the tie breaker. It could possibly end up with the Dems taking both the House & the Senate.
 
I think it is safe to say that no one but the terorists won the mid term elections.



Get ready, they're coming. We'll be hit hard in the next 18 months. Probably a neuclear weapon of some sort in LA or Vegas.

(I'll wagor a dollar it has already come over the mexican border.)
 
Vegas :confused2:

I'm not sure that Las Vegas is a good target. Realistically it is a tourist trap for gamblers but it is not a hub for business, finances or other things that will have long term or worldwide economic impact. NYC is a great target, and the WTC was a structure that had more impact on the world markets than the entire city of Las Vegas. Washington DC is also a great target, for obvious and for symbolic reasons. I'd suggest Chicago and Atlanta are other great targets as they are centers of commerce, finance, and international trade.
 
Vegas is a perfect target. It is an easy, fat, civilian place that will get a very high kill ratio.

The islamo-cockroaches would love to take out a place like that which is synonymous with what their twisted little minds view as our decadent lifestyle.

Now that the cut-and-run frenchacrats are incharge of congress they will be further emboldened to hit us, hard and soon.
 
Av8r3400 said:
Vegas is a perfect target. It is an easy, fat, civilian place that will get a very high kill ratio.
I do agree with that, as I am a frequent visitor to Vegas I do see it as a soft target. What I don't see is any strategic value. Bear in mind that the people who die there will likely be considered as sinners by extremists/terrorists. And they will be considered sinners by Southern Baptists and other fundamentalist Christian groups.
 
The islamo-roach's mindset is: Dead Americans (non-islamist) = A good thing.

Reguardless of sinner or saint. Dead is dead. Plus, being realitively close to the mexican border only makes things easier.
 
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