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McCain was for "socialism" before he was against it...

It means act like an adult. Near as I can tell it means the same thing if it comes from a moderator or someone who is not a moderator.


What I am saying is he has the right to both issue a public warning AND to express his personal opinions via Rep Points. I see no conflict. No boundary was overstepped. No 'power' was abused. He is allowed to have an opinion.

Yes they are. Some people simply don't like the opinions of some moderators.

Bull crap! No moderator should be acting personally when he is calling down another member!!! If they have a personal opinion, fine. But when you call someone down as a moderator and and then get personal on top of it, that is unprofessional and unethical.

And I'll tell you something else Skurka, you aren't eaxtly acting like an adult either. I think you are just taking an opportunity to jab because you dislike my religious and political opinions. Real mature, there pal.
 
Aren't moderators allowed to express themselves just like the regular members?

Sure, but do you want to be called down by a biased moderator? It is one thing to express an opinion, it is another thing entirely when you are acting in an official capacity, and then get personal and take away a members rep points like PB did to me. That is unethical and just poor form.
 
Bull crap! No moderator should be acting personally when he is calling down another member!!! If they have a personal opinion, fine. But when you call someone down as a moderator and and then get personal on top of it, that is unprofessional and unethical.

And I'll tell you something else Skurka, you aren't eaxtly acting like an adult either. I think you are just taking an opportunity to jab because you dislike my religious and political opinions. Real mature, there pal.
Well I've only acted as a moderator in this thread, I have not participated in any way with regard to any content and I will tell you, as a moderator now that if you continue this rant then you will be either suspended or banned. Its really that simple. I have not made any effort to inject any comments regarding religion or politics in this thread and don't understand how you can even levy such a silly accusation that I am standing against you for any personal vendetta or dislike.
 
Well I've only acted as a moderator in this thread, I have not participated in any way with regard to any content and I will tell you, as a moderator now that if you continue this rant then you will be either suspended or banned. Its really that simple. I have not made any effort to inject any comments regarding religion or politics in this thread and don't understand how you can even levy such a silly accusation that I am standing against you for any personal vendetta or dislike.

I'm sorry, but the "big boy pants" comment was uncalled for. If I were a moderator, I would avoid using colloquial expressions of that sort.

I can accept getting called down, but I will not accept being talked down to by anyone. Put yourself in my position and actually think about how you are coming across as a moderator.

OK, I'm done here, but it is a sad direction FF is going in lately.
 
I'm sorry, but the "big boy pants" comment was uncalled for. If I were a moderator, I would avoid using colloquial expressions of that sort.

I can accept getting called down, but I will not accept being talked down to by anyone. Put yourself in my position and actually think about how you are coming across as a moderator.

OK, I'm done here, but it is a sad direction FF is going in lately.

Well I think you are being overly sensitive. The big boy pants was in my very first post in this thread, it was a general comment to all participants and not directed at you. After rereading it, I still don't see it aimed at you. It does appear to be aimed at everyone who was bickering and name calling. You may be reading more into it that what it is, but it is what it is and nothing more.
 
Can I get back to that guy’s comment about wiretapping?
Many years ago a federal judge ordered that the Army’s overseas switch had to be tapped.
This produced three floors of tapes. There was three people that was in-charge of listening to all these tapes. To my knowledge they only listened to 5%.
They sure got a lot of mushy conversations.
No they are not listening to Joe six-pack phone calls.

Darroll
 
Can I get back to that guy’s comment about wiretapping?
Many years ago a federal judge ordered that the Army’s overseas switch had to be tapped.
This produced three floors of tapes. There was three people that was in-charge of listening to all these tapes. To my knowledge they only listened to 5%.
They sure got a lot of mushy conversations.
No they are not listening to Joe six-pack phone calls.

Darroll

There have been very significant advances in computer technology and probably 99.999% of this type of work is now automated by computers.

This is the primary purpose of the NSA.
 
You know Mogsy, I believe you are a poser. I don't believe you went to Princeton. I doubt you actually own a business, and your rich "lawyer brother" in Florida is just a figment of your imagination. You are probably just another loser from DemocraticUnderground.com that pops in other forums and defecates and then leaves. Yeah, you're probably just a snow plow operator for a municipality hoping Obama will help you organize a union and bleed the local taxpayers to pay your sorry ass more than the minimum wage you are marginally worth.

CB, I certainly don't feel compel to prove to you. I'm perfectly comfortable with what I achieved, the only reason I brought up Princeton and my brother was to illustrate a point. It was certainly not my attention to ram it down anybody's throat. However, since you seem to hunger for information, then you can snack on my attachment. It is called a "Diploma," a certificate of achievement. Yes, yes, I know you can't read Latin, but with a little imagination you will see it is from Princeton. You may have received one of these when you graduated high school. Wait, you did graduate from high school, didn't you? Don't blame me for that. If you can't achieve something in America, you can't do it anywhere. What is your excuse?
 

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Unfortunately, CityBoy was given a temporary ban so he can't fairly respond to this recent post. However, assuming he returns I hope that the two of you can smooth things out a little and make the debate a little less personal.
 
Wait, you did graduate from high school, didn't you? Don't blame me for that. If you can't achieve something in America, you can't do it anywhere. What is your excuse?

Why are you so condescending? Yes we have been have some fiery debates here, but we have yet to resort to name calling and personal insults. I know you are attemting to stir the pot a bit. Oh and a scan of a diploma with the name blanked out doesn't constitute your diploma. And a diploma from Princeton does not guarantee intelligence and in your case, class.
 
Some rich have been moving out for sure, well at least they move their companies offshore but reside here in the US. How about a law that says if you move your corporate headquarters offshore, then the senior officers have to reside in that country as well? Never happen, but it's fun to think about.

I think if you look at the steady movement of jobs in this country to other countries, it has mostly to do with the cost of labor, and it's the labor intensive industries that have hurt the most. We can't compete with developing countries when it comes to cheap labor. However, it was the USA that led the digital revolution in the '90s and created great wealth through entrepreneurs that created companies that are household words today: eBay, Yahoo, Google, Amazon. If the US leads we win, if we follow we lose.

We have the best universities in the world, but it's getting increasingly difficult for US citizens to afford to attend them, and our students are becoming less and less prepared to compete with those foreign students in the university classroom and then out in the global economy. This must change if we are to survive.

I want to preface my next comment by saying "I'm no genius," which should be obvious from my posts. Okay. When I entered graduate school at Princeton, my small department welcomed 9 new students. There were 4 students from the People's Republic of China, one from Taiwan, one from South Korea, one from the Czech Republic, and 2 token American guys: me and a guy from Pittsburgh. This really struck me as sad. The Asians were there because the profs. felt that the US students they interviewed just didn't have the minimum math skills to do the research. Why have we let this happen? Bill Gates has echoed the same sentiment, and said that we need to relax visa standards so the tech industry can get the talent they need from other countries because we're not growing it here. We need to change this or we are toast.

Now, getting back to the "Rich." There are many rich folks that love this country and are happy to pay their fair share. I'm proud to say that one of these folks is my oldest brother, who makes probably 5 times what I make as a founding partner of his law firm which employs 35 attorneys. He lives in a 7500 sq. ft. house in Coral Gables, drives a porsche 911 sc, has a mercedes convertible, and has a porsche cayenne for his wife to cart the kids around in. He has a full time nanny and houskeeper, and pays a woman to come and walk the dogs. He has a summer house in Santa Fe. Now here's my point. He had all of this wealth (except for the cayenne that they traded his wife's mercedes for) *before* the Bush tax cut was made law. A couple of years ago, I asked him how much more $$ the Bush tax cut netted him. I think he was embarassed, because he scribbled the amount on the back of a napkin. Well, it took my breath away. And his comment "What the F*&k do *I* need this for? So I can retire to an even bigger estate? So I can peer over the walls and watch people starving in the streets? That's not America, That's not a place I want to live." Accordingly, he’s “spread the wealth” by donating much to JA and other charities.

I say if greedy people want to leave the US then good riddance! Plenty more good folks will always stay here.

MtMogs,
I agree with a lot of what you posted and I get the gist of what you are sharing about your brother and his wealth and his attitude about the $$ he netted from the Bush tax cut. It is great that he recognizes his blessings and desires to share them with others. As I was reading The Autonomist- Francisco's MoneySpeech, this line jumped out at me and I immediately thought of your post.

"But money demands of you the highest virtues, if you wish to make it or to keep it. Men who have no courage, pride, or self-esteem, men who have no moral sense of their right to their money and are not willing to defend it as they defend their life, men who apologize for being rich--will not remain rich for long. They are the natural bait for the swarms of looters that stay under rocks for centuries, but come crawling out at the first smell of a man who begs to be forgiven for the guilt of owning wealth. They will hasten to relieve him of the guilt--and of his life, as he deserves."

http://usabig.com/autonomist/moneyspeech.html
 
Thanks for you comment CityGirl. I followed the link and read on. I thought that this quote was a zinger:

"Let me give you a tip on a clue to men's characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it"

Wow! Really Ebenezer? Think of that in context of the golden-parachuted greed on Wall Street recently.
 
That was a good read all the way through. Did you know that is an excerpt from Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand?
 
This excerpt is fairly profound, too. Mogs, that quote you posted was a doozey!

Do you wish to know whether that day is coming? Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion--when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing--when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors--when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you--when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice--you may know that your society is doomed. Money is so noble a medium that it does not compete with guns and it does not make terms with brutality. It will not permit a country to survive as half-property, half-loot.

"Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men's protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it becomes, marked: 'Account overdrawn.' I think we are there.
 
Holy Smokes! It creeps me out a little. I never read Rand, but I always thought the plot of Atlas Shrugged was to show the virtue of money, by way of independence without any societal obligation. But your last quote runs counter to that thinking. Is there a split personality, antagonist-protagonist plot line going on here?

This excerpt is fairly profound, too. Mogs, that quote you posted was a doozey!
'Account overdrawn.' I think we are there.
 
Mogs, I'm not sure. I've had the book on a shelf for years and I guess I'm gonna start reading in. I've been told it is a must read. Why don't you grab a copy and we can compare notes?
 
Mogs, I'm not sure. I've had the book on a shelf for years and I guess I'm gonna start reading in. I've been told it is a must read. Why don't you grab a copy and we can compare notes?

Nah, I had a look at the background on some of her stuff and it looks scarcely more than drivel. You know when a cartoon pans your work you're in trouble :yum:

"In the 16th episode of South Park, entitled Chickenlover, Officer Barbrady overcomes his illiteracy, but at the end of the episode states: "I was happy to be learning how to read, it seemed exciting and magical. But then I read this, Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. I read every last word of this garbage and because of this piece of sh*t I'm never reading again." The children cheer "Hooray for Barbrady," similar to that of the children at the end of The Brothers Karamazov."
 
Nah, I had a look at the background on some of her stuff and it looks scarcely more than drivel. You know when a cartoon pans your work you're in trouble :yum:

No, but I know when you let a cartoon like South Park dictate your reading habits THAT is when you are in trouble! South Park? Really, Mogs. Don't you have anything better to do with your time? Talk about drivel!!!!!
 
Don't you have anything better to do with your time?

Well I totally agree that this is a waste of time, but some may say the same about fishing too, which I enjoy. I do feel, however, that it's important to take time out to have fun once in a while. Alas, there are indeed more important things I could be doing. So where would my posting here rank in the spectrum of quality of things to do? I don't know. I guess I would put it somewhere between curing cancer and reading Rand.
 
Well I totally agree that this is a waste of time, but some may say the same about fishing too, which I enjoy. I do feel, however, that it's important to take time out to have fun once in a while. Alas, there are indeed more important things I could be doing. So where would my posting here rank in the spectrum of quality of things to do? I don't know. I guess I would put it somewhere between curing cancer and reading Rand.

or watching South Park. Mogs, I did start reading Rand the other night as I think it is necessary to read the book before I can make any kind of judgement about it's content. I have heard it praised and condemned. If you have never read it, you have no legitimate comments to make about it.
 
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