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Despite the bad press, half of America is still considering an EV or hybrid car — they just want them to be cheaper

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Claims that electric vehicles don't have enough demand may be overblown.

A new study from GBK Collective, published Thursday, found that half of the more than 2,000 US car consumers they interviewed were considering either an electric or a hybrid car for their next vehicle purchase.

This far outweighs the current ownership trends found in the study. Only 14% of those surveyed already own a plug-in or hybrid vehicle of some kind. It's another piece of evidence of a huge opportunity for EV manufacturers to home in on the needs of these green car-curious consumers.

"These are not the same kind of customers who created the initial EV market," GBK President Jeremy Korst told Business Insider in an interview.

Most of the EV and hybrid considerers landed much further down on the technology adoption curve than the EV owners, and are often shopping green options against gas-powered vehicles.

"These are later adopters, and because of that, they're not as driven by innovation or even design," Korst said. "They have more functional needs, and they're much more pragmatic and thinking about the total cost of ownership both in price and in effort, like, 'how do I charge so what's that going to take? How much time is it going to take me?'"

GBK's findings back up what car dealers and other industry experts have been telling Business Insider for the last several months. A new wave of EV shoppers is hitting the market, and the industry appears to be unprepared to meet their needs.

Toyota could win over a new wave of EV shoppers​

This new wave of EV shoppers has a median budget of $50,000 for their next vehicle, compared to an average budget of $59,000 for current EV owners, GBK's study found. These shoppers also have different priorities than current EV owners for their next vehicles, putting more weight on environmental impact and savings.
These budget-minded shoppers are also more partial to legacy car brands, knocking Tesla down the rankings for consideration among this group.

Among the group of EV considerers surveyed, Toyota was the most considered brand, with 47% showing a preference for the Japanese automaker compared to 41% favoring Elon Musk's Tesla. In third place was Ford, which has amped up its EV offerings in the last few years.
 
I would, without hesitation, agree.

Many of my neighbors tell me to consider one. Nobody owns one.
They just want to watch and see how someone else deals with the issues before they take the plunge.

Hybrids win the day just over fuel economy, universal use, and reliability, hands down. It is the total Electric Vehicle from which many people are shy.
 
Hybrids win the day just over fuel economy, universal use, and reliability, hands down.
If you don't have a garage, charge at charging stations and live in the snow belt that might be true.
Prius gas engines are not all that reliable either. I Do Cars on you tube, (He is in the St Loius area btw) has torn down several from salvage yards. He has a definite opinion about that engine, and it is a very high one either.
Not many cars these days are what I would call reliable since emissions controls have tried to eliminate them.
 
I would gladly have an EV as a second car.
I would just as happily buy another Hybrid.

EVs seem like a big compromise, but as a 2nd vehicle they would likely be just fine. If I decide to replace my 23.1mpg Honda Ridgeline it would be with a 3 row seat SUV, and that is, at least for now, not a practical size EV. An EV of that size would be astonishingly heavy, which would cause excessive tire wear. It would also be of limited range.

I honestly think that I could have purchased an Ionic 5 from Hyundai instead of the Hybrid Toyota Venza. But a similarly equipped Ionic 5 would have cost about $7000 more and the driving range would drop from over 425 miles to maybe 260 miles. Both seem like bad trade offs. Trips to Notre Dame and Purdue could be done without a recharge, and ND trips would be iffy and dependent upon running errands, shopping, etc. Trips (monthly) to meet up with the property manager at one of my main investments would require an ICE/Hybrid vehicle to do the round trip.

I think RANGE and COST are both the major problems right now. New battery tech and more charging stations will resolve both problems…in the future.
 
I should add that a Tesla Model Y would likely work, but it is ugly. I didn’t like the interior, I didn’t like the single screen in the center console. If it at least had a speedometer in front of the driver it would be more reasonable but I don’t want to always refer to the center console. Even the long range with AWD was not price competitive to a Hybrid Venza Limited with added accessories, it also didn’t offer long enough range to be competitive for my person needs. It would easily fulfill the range needs as a second vehicle.
 
I really like the Fisker Ocean EV. But price blows it out of consideration. As I spec’d it out, it was almost $15,000 more than a similarly equipped Toyota Venza Limited. That $15k price difference would pay for a LOT of gasoline and oil changes!!!
 
If you don't have a garage, charge at charging stations and live in the snow belt that might be true.
Prius gas engines are not all that reliable either. I Do Cars on you tube, (He is in the St Loius area btw) has torn down several from salvage yards. He has a definite opinion about that engine, and it is a very high one either.
Not many cars these days are what I would call reliable since emissions controls have tried to eliminate them.
I should have been more specific. Hybrids win yes, but over (Non IC) 100% electric or IC drive trains.

For the record, not all Hybrids are plug in use. But I believe all will get you home on the IC engine.
 
For the record, not all Hybrids are plug in use. But I believe all will get you home on the IC engine.
Only a very small percentage of Hybrids are ‘plug in’ hybrids. Probably 90+% are traditional Hybrids that don’t plug in.
 
Thats because they live in a city or suburban (think of a 15 minuet city model) area or dont have a 45 minuet comute to work.
 
When you find an EV that is 36 years old, and can go 90% of when it was brand new without having changed out the batteries, let me know.
Considering at 36 years, there is a very small percentage of vehicle's that age on the road, I'm sure there's going to be that guy that parked his vehicle in his garage and left his battery at 50%. It'll probably be just fine. Very few miles. Primo condition.
Honestly the amount of ice vehicles that age that have had no large mechanical repairs is going to be very small also.

I mean really. How many 1988 vehicles do you see running around. And I live in the mountain west. Where it's a desert. Very few. Very small percentage.
 
I own several vehicles approaching their thirties, and some in their 20's. All are reliable.
I just drove my 1997 Dodge to Rochester NY and back in winter. It's called maintenance.
 
Found this about EV's. Where are we now on the graph?

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Found this about EV's. Where are we now on the graph?

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I don't think that's just an EV graph.

But if I would have to say we're at the "T" of technology. Unless you're going to limit the time frame to one year, 10 years, 20 years.
5 years from now when a new power source is derived, still driven by electric motors, that's technically still an EV.
Now if you're going to rename to lithium battery powered EVs that's a whole other can of worms.
 
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