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Cybertruck beats Porsche 911 while towing a 911
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Good marketing ploy but I want to see it tow that Porsche from Seattle to Portland non-stop. 
Buy one and test your theory.Good marketing ploy but I want to see it tow that Porsche from Seattle to Portland non-stop.
Not sure I find this impressive, electric out accelerates gas every day, every time.
A stock 1911 is a pretty Sunday driver but not really anything close to a high performance car for straight line driving. It’s darn nice in the corners and an easy driving fun sporty car with good road manners. More a gentleman’s car than a true sports car.
Pretty sure this video is irrelevant to most pick up owners.
A stock 1911 is a pretty Sunday driver but not really anything close to a high performance car for straight line driving. It’s darn nice in the corners and an easy driving fun sporty car with good road manners. More a gentleman’s car than a true sports car.
Pretty sure this video is irrelevant to most pick up owners.
I disagree totally. Cybertruck has better stats than any other 'truck' in the EV space. Bed size, gross payload and range.
Just like your beloved AR 15 platform it is way different than all the others. In the future all the others will do their best to try and copy/match the Tesla entry. Elon is not stupid, but sure makes the haters look stupid IMHO.
To date this has been the case. I believe Elon is much smarter than even you...
Time WILL tell what happens. My bet is on Elon and Tesla.
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Still pretty sure this video is irrelevant to most pick up owners (and buyers). I do think Musk is brilliant, but that does not change my view of this video and doubtfully would not change the view of most pick up owners. This video is great marketing to yuppie cowboy wannabes who have man buns, skinny jeans and drive flashy cars to coffee shops in the coastal citiesI disagree totally. Cybertruck has better stats than any other 'truck' in the EV space. Bed size, gross payload and range.
Just like your beloved AR 15 platform it is way different than all the others. In the future all the others will do their best to try and copy/match the Tesla entry. Elon is not stupid, but sure makes the haters look stupid IMHO.
To date this has been the case. I believe Elon is much smarter than even you...
Time WILL tell what happens. My bet is on Elon and Tesla.
Mark1911
Well-known member
When people understand the cost per mile to drive it, expect that mood to change. The EV FUD is thick and heavy right now as Legacy auto stops their attempt for EV's. This failure is a distraction, and this is to Tesla's advantage.
They are entering Legacy autos last domain, personal trucks. In time as it is they will give up half of their market in trucks. The economics will decide this. 8 cents per mile is a powerful force to recon with. ICE is more like 75 cents per mile Tesla has NONE of the baggage Legacy auto cannot ditch. EV adoption is doubling year over year in the USA
Add to this the best charging stations that are being added at about 20 new locations a week. Add to that the option of full self driving, coming soon to all Tesla vehicles. My bet is in a couple of years, you will be proven wrong.
It is really hard to stand in the way of progress for very long.
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The appeal might be a good bit higher than most realize. The haters who reviewed and drove it soon changed their minds. over 70% of pre order's say they will execute. 70% of 2.5M is a lot of Tesla trucks!
When at scale production in 2 years, expect to be $20K cheaper than its current competition. Then the real story will become much clearer. Coffee shop gossip is far from being in person and driving the first fly by wire steering in a personal vehicle.
Hate to say it but it's no different than the flexing that Ford and Chevy did back in the '70s and '80s and '90s. Carrying other brand pickups, trailer trains of logs, it's just marketing.
I'll throw this little tidbit in also. When all the diesel performance guys all of a sudden figure out how much easier than diesel it is to get the torque and the speed there will be people switching there also. That's the only reason that all these kids and half of the people that drive diesels have them. And yes I cannot prove those numbers. I'm just going by a gut Guess. The amount of people that tow with the diesels in your area may be different than my area. But the diesel guys are already questioning when you're paying $1.60 a gallon more than gas. Why did I buy a diesel again?
Mark1911
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EVs (especially ”trucks”) are simply not competitive at present. take away the government subsidies (and not just the subsidies to consumers, but to auto makers as well), take away the government mandates for conversion from IC to EV (mostly liberal states), and take an honest look at the country’s electrical generation and distribution network, and EV production and sales become nothing more than a virtue signal.
IC cars and trucks fit EVERY current need for consumers - rural, urban, cold weather, long range, flexible, etc. EVs are really only suitable for urban drivers with no need of long range, flexible fueling options and continuous use. Even the photo-op trip by the secretary of energy had to be “stage scripted”, and it was still a dismal failure.
bottom line - you want an EV (truck or car), fine - buy it and be happy. BUT - stop charging ME (through government subsidies) for YOUR decision to buy said EV, and STOP with the government mandates telling ME what I can drive.
IC cars and trucks fit EVERY current need for consumers - rural, urban, cold weather, long range, flexible, etc. EVs are really only suitable for urban drivers with no need of long range, flexible fueling options and continuous use. Even the photo-op trip by the secretary of energy had to be “stage scripted”, and it was still a dismal failure.
bottom line - you want an EV (truck or car), fine - buy it and be happy. BUT - stop charging ME (through government subsidies) for YOUR decision to buy said EV, and STOP with the government mandates telling ME what I can drive.
Mark1911
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Where do you get $.75/mile? My Silverado gets 21mpg - that would make gas $15.75/gallon! Indeed, the tru cost is more like $.14/mile. When I consider my work car (Hyundai Tucson) that gets 34/mpg, that figure drops to $.09/mile…
that’s a small price to pay, to be able to pull off the freeway and be back on the road fully fueled in about 10 minutes - wherever I want, without having to hunt for a “supercharger”…
Tesla convert 90% of their energy to mechanical energy. You are not figuring in anything but fuel. There are maintenance costs as well. Tesla has no oil changes for engine, and no transmission either. Braking force is used to recharge the battery.
This is why we use electric motors btw in stationary applications. Think about it please. Cost per mile for a Tesla model S a friend owns over 100K miles was 6 cents including a tire change. Thanks for pointing out my mistake. What did you use for fuel price?
Once people understand these facts, the pendulum will swing pretty fast.
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Anyone who dislikes Elon Musk Will not either.
The truth is hard to pin down, haters are everywhere for both men. I see Elon as a hero, and Biden as a criminal.
Dems are hypocrites as they hate Elon. I support Elon's view of the future much more.
Elon is one of the only people fighting lefty tyranny in the tech space. Gotta love that!
@300 H and H
Would you trade your IC tractors to electric models?
Would you trade your IC tractors to electric models?
I'm kind of curious because I get this from people all the time. Why can you not have different tools for different uses ? If I own one EV I need to sell all my ice vehicles? It seems like people who dislike Ev have the same 25 punch list items that they just keep repeating over and over. A lot of different tools for a lot of different jobs.
Mark1911
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In case you missed it, many state (and eventually the Federal) governments are putting in place BANS on future production/sale of IC vehicles - some as soon as 2030. So I’ll flip your question back at you - why does the government seek to limit my “tool selection” to only EV vehicles?
Second, I have an IC truck that serves ALL my needs. WHY should I add an EV at $80k to my garage that will only serve SOME of my needs? Even if it is cheaper to operate, how long would it take me to recoup the $80k??
Oh, and 25 “punch list items” is a pretty lengthy list in my book. Again - buy your EV and be happy, but stop trying to force them on everyone else.
If I was in a situation with a commute of 30-40 miles twice a day, I would already own a Tesla.
Electric tractors or other equipment probably not. Ethanol and the growing biodiesel markets are a huge piece of our pie, and anything that makes these products consumption go down in value are going be looked at as the start of another farmer crisis. Our values would be pummeled, and those with high debt will be terminated. Those are the young farmers we now have getting their way into the business. We need them here as farmer average age is quite old on average.
The electrical grid would need an upgrade, cheap rates would be necessary as well. Also, the electric tractors being messed around with are not ready for prime time either. Yet...
This electric personal vehicle is where the technology makes the most sense. Construction and AG combined with commercial shipping will take much longer to mature into anything feasible. It is diesel powered and climate change idiots know that, and it is 3 times the size of the auto fuel markets.
Net zero means mass extinction of mankind. We should all see this fallacy, and fight to the death against that.
Electric tractors or other equipment probably not. Ethanol and the growing biodiesel markets are a huge piece of our pie, and anything that makes these products consumption go down in value are going be looked at as the start of another farmer crisis. Our values would be pummeled, and those with high debt will be terminated. Those are the young farmers we now have getting their way into the business. We need them here as farmer average age is quite old on average.
The electrical grid would need an upgrade, cheap rates would be necessary as well. Also, the electric tractors being messed around with are not ready for prime time either. Yet...
This electric personal vehicle is where the technology makes the most sense. Construction and AG combined with commercial shipping will take much longer to mature into anything feasible. It is diesel powered and climate change idiots know that, and it is 3 times the size of the auto fuel markets.
Net zero means mass extinction of mankind. We should all see this fallacy, and fight to the death against that.
If I was going to own an EV it would be a Tesla because of Musk. But thats not going to happen because it won't work for me. I did see today that the House passed a bipartisan bill that stops EV's from being shoved down our throats, its likely to pass the Senate as indicated by the Senate, but uncle Joe threatens to Vito it. Hopefully if that happens there is enough bipartisan support to overcome the Vito and make it law before the train wreck coming happens.
chowderman
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I schooled, worked and lived with the whole family in Europe. Europe is different than USA.
the idea of commuting 20-30 miles to work in Europe is a total non-starter. it does not happen.
no sane European would ever consider such an outrageous arrangement.
the concept of "suburbs" is drastically different. one does not simply carve off a chunk of the family farm and build a house there...
no large scale residential areas exist that were not built without totally integrated mass transit options.
the idea of driving to Switzerland to go skiing for the weekend - does not happen for Europeans.
everything / every effort / every contact / every supplier / every business is "local."
most medium cities - you cannot drive into the city anymore. park the car on the outskirts and _walk_ into the city.
this is why EV does work in Europe. no one/exceptionally few people - need long range EV for daily/routine use.
it's a different world/culture.
the idea of commuting 20-30 miles to work in Europe is a total non-starter. it does not happen.
no sane European would ever consider such an outrageous arrangement.
the concept of "suburbs" is drastically different. one does not simply carve off a chunk of the family farm and build a house there...
no large scale residential areas exist that were not built without totally integrated mass transit options.
the idea of driving to Switzerland to go skiing for the weekend - does not happen for Europeans.
everything / every effort / every contact / every supplier / every business is "local."
most medium cities - you cannot drive into the city anymore. park the car on the outskirts and _walk_ into the city.
this is why EV does work in Europe. no one/exceptionally few people - need long range EV for daily/routine use.
it's a different world/culture.
tommu56
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this is a hybird i can get behind
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No idea. I'm not the government of the states that are banning ice vehicles. I also choose not to live in one of those states. If you actually think they are going to do that (and make it work )by 2030, I'd like some of the Kool-Aid you're drinking. It ain't going to happen. Feel good legislation.
People buy classic cars, performance cars, antique cars, and other items. They don't need all the time. Last time I checked no vehicles make money. They are a depreciating asset. I'm not a salesman. I'm not going to try to sell you anything.
Lol I never said I agreed with the 25 items or that even any of the 25 items made any sense. I've never once tried to get anyone to buy an EV. Other than maybe my wife. I'm assuming you're talking about the government forcing someone to buy one. Last I checked there's lots of ice vehicles out there for sale. The price of gas is low get er done dude.
Mark1911
Well-known member
Check again - contractors pickups, tow trucks, delivery trucks, landscapers… the list is pretty lengthy.
NorthernRedneck
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The 1980 Citroen Karin concept. The original Cybertruck? 
You just made a list of depreciating assets. Without the human that's operating it its not making money. I suppose the exception would be a classic car.
Mark1911
Well-known member
Perhaps you don’t understand the concept of using a tool to make an income? The contractor without a pickup makes no money. The truck driver without a truck makes no money. Both of those individuals INVEST in a vehicle to practice their livelihood. Neither can do so without their vehicle.
It's always interesting to see how other people's minds work. I'll let you go ahead and buy that pickup and park it in your yard and see how much money it makes you. You are exactly right. It is a tool. Without someone who knows how to use the tool, it does not make you money.