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Are EV's Actually Cheaper to Own? Maybe Not

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I thought this was a very interesting article. Asking some very tough questions. Some of which are not able to be answered today. But certainly worth consideration.

Clearly many on this forum do NOT like EVs.
Many here see them as possible solutions for some but not for others.
At least one here is a happy owner who see his as a very good choice.




Are EVs Actually Cheaper to Own? Maybe Not.

Electric vehicles (EVs) have undeniably entered the mainstream in the United States. According to estimates from Kelley Blue Book, more EVs were sold last year than were sold between 2011 and 2018. The roughly 1.2 million new EVs put into service in 2023 represented 7.6% of the total U.S. car market. Cox Automotive’s Economics and Industry Insights team boldly predicted that this share will climb to 10% in 2024.​
EVs’ impressive growth has played out even though they remain significantly more expensive to purchase than gasoline-powered cars, with only a handful of options priced below $40,000. EV proponents counter this drawback by claiming that EVs are actually cheaper to own over the long term, with lower fuel and maintenance costs making up for the higher sticker price. Studies examining cars’ total cost of ownership back their assertions.​
However, these studies (and there are many) are only as reliable as their completeness. After all, a wide variety of expenses factor into a vehicle’s lifetime cost, and excluding or miscalculating one could drastically skew the calculation. That’s why researchers at the University of Michigan’s Center for Sustainable Systems reviewed the dozens of “total cost of ownership” studies to craft their own. Published on January 3rd in the Journal of Industrial Ecology, their analysis aimed to correct for the shortcomings of previous research.​

A closer look at EV costs​

Maxwell Woody, a research assistant pursuing Ph.Ds in resource policy and behavior and mechanical engineering, led the effort. He and his colleagues accounted for all the usual costs, such as purchase price, fuel, maintenance, repairs, insurance, annual fees, and financing. Unlike prior analyses, however, they also:​
  • adjusted for the effect of temperature on fuel efficiency
  • tracked vehicles over 25-year lifetimes
  • categorized vehicles by size, range, and type
  • accounted for different EV charging behaviors, and explored the cost of ownership in 14 cities from across the U.S.
The findings broadly challenge the optimistic cost-of-ownership assessments frequently touted by EV enthusiasts. The researchers found that while small and low-range EVs capable of traveling around 200 miles are indeed less expensive to own than their gas-powered counterparts, larger, long-range EVs that can cover 400 miles are more expensive. Midsize SUV EVs — currently the top-selling models by far — only reach cost parity if government incentives are applied.
“EVs are more competitive in cities with high gasoline prices, low electricity prices, moderate climates, and direct purchase incentives, and for users with home charging access, time-of-use electricity pricing, and high annual mileage,” the researchers summarized.
Since EVs are broadly more expensive to purchase upfront than comparable gas vehicles, the best way to assess whether an EV will ultimately be cheaper to own over the long term is by looking at its break-even time: when its lower recurring costs make up for its higher upfront cost. Woody and his team found that 200-mile range compact and midsize electric sedans reach this point in 3 to 7 years, while 300-mile range variants take nine to 20 years to break even. Electric SUVs and trucks with 300 miles of range generally take more than 20 years, while 400-mile range EVs will never break even over their lifetimes.
Keep in mind, however, that this assessment did not include the Federal EV tax credit, which reduces the purchase price of certain EVs by $3,750 or $7,500. When included, the affordability scale tips decidedly toward EVs.
“For 200-mile range BEVs, the breakeven time is under 2 years for compact vehicles and sedans, and under 5 years for small and midsize SUVs in each city,” the researchers reported. “Small 300-mile range vehicles break even in under 10 years in each city, and larger 300-mile range vehicles break even in under 10 years in many cities…there are a few cities in which 400-mile BEV compact and midsize sedans will break even with [gas-powered] counterparts after 15−20 years.”​

Cost parity down the road​

Still, there are numerous unknowns in the assessment, such as whether a substantial number of EVs will require battery replacements outside of their warranties, mandated to be a minimum of 8 years and 100,000 miles. Also unknown is how the costs of gasoline and electricity will change in the future. The study also didn’t compare vehicle costs in rural areas.​
Overall, the greatest factor in determining whether an EV will be cheaper to own than a gas vehicle is the ability to charge at home, where electricity is cheapest. (In their analysis, the researchers assumed that EV owners charge at home 80% of the time and at public charging stations 20% of the time.) Without home charging, an EV will likely never be cheaper over its lifetime.​
“Home charging access reduces the lifetime cost by approximately $10,000 on average, and up to $26,000,” Woody and his team reported.
The study is just a snapshot in time, the researchers noted. An EV’s battery constitutes a significant portion of its upfront cost. With battery prices predicted to continue steadily declining in the coming years, the math is likely to shift more in favor of EVs.​
 
I've looked over this article a few times.

I can't really find fault in it but it raises a lot of questions.

I did the math for me, it agrees with what the University of Michigan found. I simply found no realistic way to get something like a Hyundai Ionic 5 to be cost effective for our uses. Payback's timeline horizon was simply too long.

I think if I bothered to do the math for a homeowner in Chicago who has access to home chargers, that would also agree with the University of Michigan. My daughter has a Chicago condo, a parking space in the building garage, but there are literally ZERO chargers on the high rise property and there is no way she could get a charger for her parking spot. So an EV for someone like her would require paying high prices at the public chargers, that is a deal breaker in the cost analysis.

But I wonder about the suburbanites like my brother. He lives about 15 miles north of me. Indiana gas prices are literally $1 per gallon cheaper than the City of Chicago gas prices. My brother lives in Indiana so he'd get the low gas price advantage which works AGAINST the cost of ownership of an EV. He could probably get by with a 200 mile EV range vehicle most of the time, so that would have a quicker payback, but only if there is a gasoline price disparity. So I think the folks who live in the collar areas outside of big cities, who get lower gas prices than the urban dwellers, might end up with much longer "payback times" on their vehicles. But I admit I'm too lazy to do someone else's math and am not going to bother to try to figure out the hypothetical.
 
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If you are not able to have a home charger. Do not buy an EV. That would be my words of wisdom. If you can install a reasonably priced solar system and your area has a decent amount of sun that will only add to the benefit.

I purchased a vehicle that the ice version and the electric version are basically the same price. I qualified for the federal tax rebate, ie I paid less taxes that year. Which actually made the vehicle cost less than the ice comparable. I did lots of research before I bought one and knew exactly what I was getting into. Even then there was a learning curve. So far I am happy with my purchase. Your mileage may vary.
 
OneNote to add, I also consider this vehicle part of my prepping toolbox. It has a 131 KWH battery, that I can directly integrate into my home system through the Ford charge station pro. Should a bad winter storm arrive I will heat my house with wood, the pickup alone would power my house for over a week with normal consumption. If one were to buy power walls you would need 10 of them to equal the truck.
 
the anti-EV studies use the low assumptions/estimates
and
the pro-EV studies use the high assumptions/estimates.

the studies that produce "averages" usually neglect to point out that the average is not the high, or low.
rather a whole lotta' people live at the high and at the low - so "average" is meaningless to them.

as pointed out multiple^3 times in these threads, if you're in the goldielocks zone and it works for you, go for it.
if you're on the high/low end, it probably will not work for you.

I'm watching to see how the EV companies will spin The Big Chicago Freeze....
 
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the anti-EV studies use the low assumptions/estimates
and
the pro-EV studies use the high assumptions/estimates.

the studies that produce "averages" usually neglect to point out that the average is not the high, or low.
rather a whole lotta' people live at the high and at the low - so "average" is meaningless to them.

as pointed out multiple^3 times in these threads, if you're in the goldielocks zone and it works for you, go for it.
if you're on the high/low end, it probably will not work for you.

I'm watching to see how the EV companies will spin The Big Chicago Freeze....
Just like everything, the people that hate it will find the negative, the people that love it will find the positive. Human nature
 
Very good video about the problems in Chicago. This gentleman is a promoter. But does seem to tell the whole story.

 
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I've seen some of his videos, he does a good job of simply explaining things.

I'm still watching this video but in the first 5 minutes he makes some great points about how this was a nightmare in CHICAGO but not so much in other areas that were very cold.

At roughly 7 minutes he stresses the need to be able to plug in AT HOME in your own garage.

Chicago is a particular problem, apparently because, many buy EVs in the city but they do NOT have the ability to use a home charger and must find a public charger.
12 minutes in and he blames ignorant drivers and also shows that charging stations are not working.

22 minutes and he's showing people trying to get in line because the charging stations are clogged, and many more stations simply not working. 26 minutes in and the Tesla systems seem to be working but the other brands, not so much.
 
oh, so there is no infrastructure to support EVs?

" . . . but not so much in other areas that were very cold."
because nobody in other areas wanted to use their cars?
cold is cold. charging at cold temps does not depend on politics.

perhaps all so many blue Chicago peoples bought into the EV mystic and suddenly found out it's all not smoke and no mirrors?
 
I would like to point out that the videos we see are from Oak Brook Ill. Not Chicago downtown.

Oakbrook is upper middleclass Condos, Apartments and Single family. These are mostly well educated seemingly smart people. If they cannot make it work there in the upper crust suburb of Oakbrook or Downers Grove, then the downtown folks would have less use for an EV.


This was not negative news but reality the mainstream media could not overcome with negative naysaying propaganda.
Tesla and other mgfs of EV's had better take notice.

Also, I have seen and heard the comments that IC engine cars have battery issues as well. This is true but nothing like the issue of the EV's where in it would not take a charge, period. I lived in Bolingbrook Ilinois for 8 years ,just a few miles from Oakbrook. I parked on the street and never had an issue. This even at -14 F.
 
Also, I have seen and heard the comments that IC engine cars have battery issues as well. This is true but nothing like the issue of the EV's where in it would not take a charge, period. I lived in Bolingbrook Ilinois for 8 years ,just a few miles from Oakbrook. I parked on the street and never had an issue. This even at -14 F.

Yah, if I go out and my battery is dead, I put a charger on for a few minutes and it fires right up. Or I spend $200 on a new battery and in a matter of minutes I am on the road again. Not so much with an ev.
 
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And here are a couple more cost issues
Interesting, but I'd have to say both of those items are going to depend on the drivers. My 22 lightning is $20 a month more than my 20 F-150 XLT. Both have full coverage, similar $1,000 deductible, but the lightning has zero glass and new vehicle replacement.
As for tires, the 2020 XLT OEM tires were replaced at 30,000, mi. The lariat lightning has 20,000 on the OEM tires and likely will hit that 30,000 Mark easily.
Once again I would say pretty hard to prove those numbers.
 
Interesting, but I'd have to say both of those items are going to depend on the drivers. My 22 lightning is $20 a month more than my 20 F-150 XLT. Both have full coverage, similar $1,000 deductible, but the lightning has zero glass and new vehicle replacement.
As for tires, the 2020 XLT OEM tires were replaced at 30,000, mi. The lariat lightning has 20,000 on the OEM tires and likely will hit that 30,000 Mark easily.
Once again I would say pretty hard to prove those numbers.
My current 1/2 ton Truck with tow package, and I tow, goes around 50k on the tires and I'm still on the OE brakes at 230k miles.
 
tires and all that crap aside . . .

non-home-garage charging stations have made their rates about 120-150% higher "per mile" than gasoline, in their area.
presuming, of course, the charging point is in service. which by popular reports seems to be a rather big issue.

there is one, and exactly one, public L2 charging station within 50 miles of me.
it is not soup yet.
if you do not have a heated/attached-non-heated garage, and can charge your EV overnight since you don't need it . . .
not going to work for you.
 
Yah, if I go out and my battery is dead, I put a charger on for a few minutes and it fires right up. Or I spend $200 on a new battery and in a matter of minutes I am on the road again. Not so much with an ev.
Where you live, if stored outside overnite, a work light on an extension chord hung next to the battery would suffice. I wonder if one could do that with and EV?
 
Where you live, if stored outside overnite, a work light on an extension chord hung next to the battery would suffice. I wonder if one could do that with and EV?
The light bulb under the hood in the winter works well, but an EV battery is normally bolted to the bottom of the car and rather large
 
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