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Snow Trac: Pulling All New Wiring

Melensdad

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I'm planning on pulling all new wires for my Snow Trac this summer. I want to do it ONCE and I want to do it RIGHT the first time.

What gauge wire should I use?
  • Is there an advantage to using nickle plated copper wire?
  • Do you use heat shrinks at the connection points?
  • Do you solder the connection points?
  • Can you recommend sources and/or brands of wire?
I also want to install a second battery.
  • What brand switch is best to use?
  • Can you recommend sources?
 
Nickle plated copper is used in marine enviroments. Helps keep the corrosion away. So if you can get automotive grade wire that is Nickle plated sign me up too. As far a what gauge I would copy pretty much what Aktiv did. I did go with a slightly lager on my light though. If in doubt then go the next size up. BigAl has a proper size wire index for the intended use. I have used the "water proof connectors" which do work really well. As far as water proof I dont know. They cost alot more but are made to a much higher standard. I use 2 pieces of heat shrink on these. (male or female connector ends). First I cut a piece about 5/8 long and then another piece 1 inch long. This is a guesstimate. I thread the 1 inch piece first then the 5/8 inch piece second. Attach and crimp the connector then I slide the 5/8 piece on and use my little butane lighter Torch that you can buy at most automotive stores. When that is shrunk on I then pull the 1 inch piece on and shrink that. On splice that I have soldered I first put on three pieces of heat shrink and keep those away when I solder. I then apply a coating of liquid tape to the soldered part and back on each end of the insulation. When that dries I pull one of the three pieces over the liquid taped soldier connection and heat it up. I do this with progressivley longer pieces. Some time I use diffrent size heat shrink (diameter) depending on gauge of wire to get a good seal. I am pretty good at makeing connections that will last longer than most vehicles. When I first got into cars I lived in Carmel and the ocean air was a nightmare on cars and wires. I learned to do it right the first time or you can be left stranded. I have never fully rebuilt a wire harness but if you think about it its just individual systems and I have done pretty much each system on other vehicles in the past. I would talk with some gear heads / wire heads in you area for some insite. High end sterio shops and watch them for awhile. My brother was a top installer back in the 80s and 90s and usually does most of my wiring. Since he is gone I know I will be burning up my phone minutes talking to him. On our snowcats we have to build to the highest standards and use only the best supplies available today. The old VW fuse block is history and will be replaced with a GM fuse block. You can get these fuses in any country in the world. They also happen to be the best. As far as your battery switch I would recommend the Hella but it is made by another company since I have seen the exact same switch offered by these co. Maybe Hella does make it but no matter it is top quality. I would talk to LYNDON about the dual batterey system. It will be second nature to him. First he is an electrical engineer and second all of his Snow Tracs have had dual systems.
 
B_Skurka]I'm planning on pulling all new wires for my Snow Trac this summer. I want to do it ONCE and I want to do it RIGHT the first time.

What gauge wire should I use? Match all existing wire gauges sizes as necessary for proper wire size replacement.
  • Is there an advantage to using nickle plated copper wire? I am not sure if that is really important for your application. If it was nickel plated replace it with nickel plated.
  • Do you use heat shrinks at the connection points? Only if no other sealed type connection is available.
  • Do you solder the connection points? If you are splicing mid wire, I think it would be a good idea. If you are replacing complete wire, probably not necessary.
  • Can you recommend sources and/or brands of wire? Just buy very best quality wire and not the cheap "chit" available in many stores.
I also want to install a second battery.
  • What brand switch is best to use? Can you recommend sources Buy a high quality switch capable of carrying the amperage load required for your application. Caterpillar or most other equipment manufacturers offer top quality parts for replacement and repair.
 
Snowcat Operations said:
Bob are you talking a batterey disconnect switch or switches in general. Like a light switch?
The type that lets you select the battery you want to use A or B.

mtntopper said:
Match all existing wire gauges sizes as necessary for proper wire size replacement.

Ahh, that is the rub . . . my Snow Trac was 'restored' by the Salvage Squad TV show in England. They cut some corners. Well actually they cut a lot of corners. The wiring is a mess. No clue if they used the original gauge wire. Seriously doubt they gave it any thought!

Snowcat Operations said:
I would talk to LYNDON about the dual batterey system. It will be second nature to him. First he is an electrical engineer and second all of his Snow Tracs have had dual systems.
Lyndon . . . how about some photos!?!
 
Bob, I'm not a snowtrac guy, but I'd contact a company like painless wiring or one of the "hotrod" wiring places to see if they can build you a complete harness including all the lights and interior and what ever else. This may be more expensive, but will certainly be alot easier and all the wire gage and length and even color coding will be complete (if not accurate to origional). I just got done doing a '68 GTO Ragtop for the FIL this past winter and having a complete kit with plugs and looms where proper, and so on, was so much better than running plain wire.

Just another opinion.

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Licensed Master Electrician in Mass, NH, VT, Me, Ohio, Texas, Arizona, Alaska, Washington, & Oregon. Also UL 508 panel builder, and certified IAEI Electrical Inspector. Electrical is my main gig, Snow cats are just a part time hobby.

The Nickel coated wire can handel siginificantly more current than copper and where it really shines is at the terminations. When I was the head Electrician & Electrical Administrator at WA. Crane and Hoist, I built several hundred overhead bridge cranes, mostly for Boeing and Pac Car(Kenworth). We became a UL 508 panel shop shortly after I hired on. Nickel has an extreemly high melting temperature and doesn't corrode. Regular electrical supply houses don't usually carry it. But in Seattle and other major cities there is usually a place that carries 'Switchboard wire' (Type SIS) and a few others. There is also a line of wire types that have the old cloth insulation with a layer of high temp thermoplastic under it for Aircraft. And there's Teflon coated wire. I like the type SIS and it's not nearly as difficult to strip as the Aircraft or the Teflon. I get it from a place in Seattle called: Hardware Specialities, 206-624-5785.

As a rule of thumb, with Nickel or silver coated wire since the electrons flow on the outside layer, you find that the next smaller guage of wire will handel the same current as a given size of copper. I still use the same sizes, so there's no voltage drop. Voltage drop isn't very siginificant on small machines anyway.

For the Switchboard of my Whitte Generator set I used the Cloth aircraft stuff since I was trying to get a real 1920's look. For the Radio controlled and Infrared controlled material handeling systems at Boeing we used "Destination Wireing" tags. This is a bit too extreem for an ST4. Theese tags have a 6 to 8 digit number, followed by the location of both ends of the wire, on each end of the wire. They have to be computer generated. A typical wire end would be:123456-T1-TB6-123456-T4-TB9. This translates to: Wire Number 123456, lands on Terminal 1 of terminal board 6 at the near end and terminates at Terminal 4 of terminal board 9.

The best thing for cars, trucks, tractors and snow cats is to get ahold of as many colors as possable and forget the fancy tagging system. Make the wires too long, ty wrap them in place(Ty raps are a great improvement over the old wax string I grew up with). Use a minimum of #10 for the wire from the generator to the starter, and for the 2 wires up to the ignition switch and Light switch. I recomend #12 for headlights, and heater fans. Instruments, dash lights, indicators such as turn signal and break lights can be #14. For the Oil temp, and the 2 Idiot lights for the generator and the oil pressure switch #16 is fine.

VW used a green wire for the generator and a blue wire for the oil pressure switch. I pretty much rewired them right like they originally were in the schematic. There are usually (2) #10's that are both "Hot's" going to the dash. One originates from the starter, the other from the generator. One feeds the light switch which in tur feeds several fuses, the other feeds the ignition switch whichin turn feeds more fuses. The wire to engage the starter is unfused.If you have lots of lights and a big alternator these wires can be upped a size to #8 AWG.

Also it is important to bond the transaxel to the chasis with a fairly substantial wire as it carries the return starter current. Xerox the schematic out of the service manual, pin it or tape it to a convienient spot and write in the colors as you lay them in. It's best to loosly assemble the harness like this with the long ends, before you put the transaxel or engine in.

For a snow trac the order of reassembly should go: Brake system first, Harness second, then the variator, less the pulleys, lace some of the wiring, then the drive chains,then the starter, then the engine, terminate more wires, then the exhaust system, terminate more wires, then the variator pulleys, then the air intake induction "horn" and leave the hood off until the very last thing.

Standard wire comes with a temperture rating and a "use" rating coded into the jacket.
  • THHN is high temperature thermoplastic that is approved for wet environments.
  • MTW is Machine Tool Wiring and is Oil resistant. It's rated 90degrees C and works well for most vehicle applications.
  • The SIS wire is rate 190 to 240 degrees C and is probably a bit of overkill. Stay away from wire that is rated 60 Degrees. The engine compartment might exceed this temperature.
Use 'Crimp-on' ends and try to put as few splices in as possible. I generally run every wire as a continuous wire with no splices from the point of origin to the final termination. For Trailers and places on vehicles that I do resort to a 'butt splice' and there is a likely hood that they will get wet I dab "Liquid Tape" on either end of the splice after it has been crimped to seal it up.
 
Lyndon,
Any chance of getting some photos of your battery switch and the placement of your batteries?



Av8r3400,
I actually took my wiring diagrams over to the local Hot Rod shop and talked to the guy who does the wiring in show cars. He said he could make me a wiring harness and is going to come up with a price for me.
 
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