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seems there's some issues with tipping, again . . .

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chowderman

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next time you're guit-tripped into big tipping,
here the pay is $30/hour, no tips, angry employees . . .

from the article:
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While the higher hourly wages are likely to provide waitstaff with a more stable source of income when the restaurant isn't too busy, they might result in lower total wages of potentially hundreds of dollars per shift when the restaurant is full, Axios reported, based on its conversations and document review.
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so, , , basically waitstaff are happier making the Federal tip credit of $3.xx/hour, and getting tips.

this noise about poor ole' waitstaff is total BS.

 
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Basically what the article says is that wait staff is very capitalistic and free market oriented and focuses on pay for performance.

That is basically the financial logic of working for tips.
 
I have defiantly cut back on tips out here in Ca. Right now they get $17.50 with $22.00 coming soon. Think about it If a waiter averages 15% tips and waits 4 tables at the same time with an average $50.00 bill with the average dining time being 1 hour or less. Thats $30.00 in tip and $17.50 wages totaling $47.50 an hour. Thats someone with minimal skills making skilled labor wages. Its too much and I'm sure some stay home because of it.
 
m1west said:
I have defiantly cut back on tips out here in Ca. Right now they get $17.50 with $22.00 coming soon. Think about it If a waiter averages 15% tips and waits 4 tables at the same time with an average $50.00 bill with the average dining time being 1 hour or less. Thats $30.00 in tip and $17.50 wages totaling $47.50 an hour. Thats someone with minimal skills making skilled labor wages. Its too much and I'm sure some stay home because of it.
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We were out there 2 months ago. I couldn't get out of a restaurant for less than $100 per person. That was in the Silicon Valley area, also the San Fran tourist places. So probably not typical restaurants that locals would frequent.

But you are right about the way it all adds up.

I used to go to Starbucks all the time. Quit for many reasons. Decided to treat myself a few times recently and one of the local stores hands the digital card reader out the window and you have to choose to tip or NOT tip before you pay. The other Starbucks nearby doesn't do that. At first I felt guilty, but damn.
 
Proud to say I've never been in a Starbucks. ;)
Another thing to watch out for. If you pay by credit card, a lot of retailers automatically add a 3.5% surcharge to you bill, before you even hand over your card.
 
bczoom said:
Proud to say I've never been in a Starbucks. ;)
Another thing to watch out for. If you pay by credit card, a lot of retailers automatically add a 3.5% surcharge to you bill, before you even hand over your card.
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I'm glad they do charge the cc users. I feel gyped when I, as a cash customer, pay the same as a cc user. As if I am subsidizing them.
 
we did a 'never again' vacation to SF, and the Rock, and forest(s), and Death Valley, and LV . . .

in SF waitstaff were getting $14/hr minimum local wages, plus tips - and per CA law, any and all tips were exclusively the property of the waitstaff person and were not shared / pooled / nadda nothing with bussers, back-of-house, etc.
resto also added 5% 'employee health care'
on the second day, upon learning . . . I stopped tipping. period. none.

the famous 'steps' - the sign said . . . oh...never mind . . .
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Melensdad said:
We were out there 2 months ago. I couldn't get out of a restaurant for less than $100 per person.
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Pretty common for "nice" restaurants in Portland too.

The whole tipping thing is a reflection on how upside down our economy is. I know several young people (mid twenties) that make around $25K to maybe $30K a year in service related jobs and they think they are doing ok. But they still qualify for some form of food stamps and take advantage of several government low-income programs. They are all working full time or close to full time too. When I hear what they have to pay for rent and all the utilities it is just crazy. They are also getting crushed with inflation.

You can't blame their generation either - they are the product of the bad decisions of their parents and grand-parents.
 
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