Oil Pan info please

[rockaukum]

1970 1202 with a ford 200 motor.
Currently has a deep sump oil pan on the motor. The cat hit something (prior owner) and did some extensive damage to a number of things including the oil pan. When I had the motor out, I pounded the oil pan out and reinstalled it. Problem is that there is a hairline crack and it leaks oil. I can not seem to find a deep sump pan similar to the one that is in the cat. I can not get enough room to weld the crack. If I pull or raise the motor I can do a proper job on welding the crack but would like to look into a replacement pan.
This one looks to be a home job, but who knows.
Any suggestions for locating a replacement pan. Preferably a deep pan so I do not need to replace the pickup as well?
I have tried summit and a regular online search but noting resembles what is in there? What have you all used?
Thanks!
rockaukum

 

[201spryte]

Your best bet is probably to repair the one you have. The deep sump pan was probably made special and good luck finding an exact replacement. Anything you might find with expanded capacity is going to be EXPENSIVE and will probably require you to change your pickup to a stock model as well- for example
https://www.vintageinlines.com/product-page/street-strip-oil-pan
There are lots of companies that can make custom oil pans per your specifications like Canton Racing or M&M but cost gets into the thousands

 

[rockaukum]

Ouch! I have seen a few doing a search but with that Frame crossmember, I figured it would be risky just ordering one and hoping that it fits / works. Looks like I will have to figure a way to lift the engine as I don't really want to split the cab again. Any idea as to how high I need to lift the engine in order to get the pan off and out?
Thanks for the input.
ra

 

[Don Coyote]

I have a similar issue: I just did an engine swap on my Tucker 442. Number one reason was that it needed a new clutch, Number two reason was that the oil pan was fubar'd. I found an engine like mine for sale on craigslist three or four years ago and I bought it because it's just awesome to have a spare. I didn't realize how badly my engine ran until I discovered how WELL the "spare" engine runs. (Like night and day..... I love my new engine).

Pic is the old engine.

Whomever put the Chevy engine in this, (35 years ago or so), they cut the bottom of the pan off and extended it... presumably to increase the oil capacity and they added hoses going front-to-back... I assume because they were nervous about running out of oil when they drive down a steep slope? They brazed it all together and it has been leaking pretty bad for several years. I "painted" it with "Flex Seal" last year. It was an improvement, but it started leaking again.

I found TWO oil pans on eBay..... but the sellers think these things are made of gold, or something. I am NOT going to attempt to repair mine..... I'm hoping I can find a decent replacement for a decent price.

Good luck with yours. I feel your pain.

 

[redsqwrl]

Hello rockaukom.

I have great success dropping the pan. Then unbolting the oil pump. Let it fall in the pan. Then walk the pan out. It sucks a bit but us easy.

In regards to a new pan. We have lots of 170 200 engines in agriculture junk yards (all states ag is a national chain) rock auto dot com likely will have something.

Get out your grinder and remanufacture your pan to your liking. I test them for leaks with green antifreeze.

 

[rockaukum]

redsqwrl, Interesting approach....
So there is no removing of the front axle or anything else? I'll head down to take a look. It is definitely worth a try as if it does not work for me, I still have to raise or pull the motor. I'm guessing it is a bit tight getting in there for the oil pump. Would you suggest using grease in the pump before reassembly? I understand it will help with a quick delivery of oil? Do I need to remove the whole pump or just the pickup assembly?
Any other advice you can provide would be great!
ra

 

[redsqwrl]

redsqwrl, Interesting approach....
So there is no removing of the front axle or anything else? I'll head down to take a look. It is definitely worth a try as if it does not work for me, I still have to raise or pull the motor. I'm guessing it is a bit tight getting in there for the oil pump. Would you suggest using grease in the pump before reassembly? I understand it will help with a quick delivery of oil? Do I need to remove the whole pump or just the pickup assembly?
Any other advice you can provide would be great!
ra

There is a variety of pick up tubes.

This thread might help you.

I use this group for clutches too.

Need oil pump pick up screen for 170 ci Bronco | FordSix Performance Forum https://share.google/mv4wRqCZ2nuZOHAWi

 

[rockaukum]

Okay, I went out and took a look at the mess, I mean the project. There was no way that pan was coming out! The deep sump got trapped behind the front axle. SO.... What I did was opened up the tracks so I could drop them over the front wheel ? axle. Then I pulled the axle out. The oil pan then was free at last! From the photos, you can get an idea as to how things went. I think the pan is toast! I'll attempt to fix the crack with a weld and test but am wondering what your thoughts are about just going with a standard oil pan? I'd need a new pickup tube but oh well. I think I can find a replacement standard pan for a few dollars.
SO, What are the thoughts as far as going with a standard oil pan? Is the deep sump pan worth the effort? What are the benefits to the deep pan? I can't imagine there would be much of a temp difference but maybe helpful with hill climbs and off cambers? I know from my jeeping days there was a lot of off camber drivings and the jeep was a standard pan.
Thoughts please...
Thanks,
ra
redsqwrl, Thanks for the information. I'll check out that site next.
Note the amount of drop, not gonna clear the axle.


How I got the pan out.


The mangled mess. Goober welds as I attempted to weld in place and kept getting bound up due to limited space.

 

[redsqwrl]

You have a center sump pan.... nice job liberating it.

Im not sure what to say on the sump. I was rock crawler in my distant past. I ran IH motors all over the lower 48 up to 14000 feet and the bottom of death valley and everywhere inbetween lions back in utah forward and backward in the middle of the night never once cared about oil pressure #1 per 1000 rpm was enough. I never trailered my scout and often times was low on oil.
I never wrecked a motor but i was also very aware of what i was doing to the motor. I was a broke electrician and i built them myself. If you are aware and understand physics i think a standard pan on a straight 6 ford is fine.

 

[rockaukum]

Yeah, I'm certainly mellow with the cat. Unlike with the jeep. Mainly out in CA. Rubicon, Fordyce, Dear valley, Dusy etc. No issues there concerning the motor.
The pan is in the area of $150 plus shipping. I need to figure out the pickup tube as well.
The pan sump appears to have been brazed, and welding it is not working at all.
ra

 

[rockaukum]

UPDATE....
Finally got this sorted! I sourced a new pan and did a test fit which went okay. Next I headed Into town for some gas for the welder and asked about shops locally that could do a job like this. I went to the first shop and spoke with the owner. He could do it and figured it would cost around $300. I'm in (I think). As I continue on with my errands, I see a muffler shop that I had used for my Jeep. I spoke with them. No problem he says. Figures about $150. I leave the pans with them. I get the call things are ready for pickup and it costs $140. I test the pan for leaks with used motor oil. I leave it overnight and now leaks appear. I dump the oil and find a bird took a bath in it, oops. Next I set out tot test the fitment of the pickup tube. I had to make some adjustments to the tube as the deep sump is not quite as deep as it was due to cutting it off the original pan. Then had to adjust the support bracket that helps stabilize the tube.
The pan is in and filled with oil. Started her up and pressure went straight to 40 psi. Happy once again! All I have to do now is reattach the clutch linkage and put the tracks back on.
Here are some pics...
Original pan


New pan

PIckup tubę


Used foil to see how far off the bottom the pickup tube is. Ended up after some tweaking to be about 3/8" off the bottom
She is home

 

[redsqwrl]

and just like that you are much less messy...

nice work.