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New car for Betsy

OkeeDon

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My wife's 2000 Focus ZX3 is hitting 125,000. It's still very reliable, but it's going to need a clutch, new tires, the second set of front brakes and the first set of rear brakes, and possibly a cv joint I think I can hear getting ready to go bad. She uses it daily, driving a lot of rural miles, visiting patients to do home-health physical therapy.

She likes little cars. They are much easier to zip through traffic and much more nimble. She is a good driver and has used the handling of her small cars to avoid accidents.

She loves stick shift and really doesn't want an automatic. She's also very frugal and doesn't want to pay for an automatic. She also has generally gotten better fuel mileage with the stick shift. The Focus is the first car in which the clutch has worn this quickly.

She does not care for air conditioning and does not use it if the car has it. Thus, the seals dry out and when her AC is used, hers fail more quickly than others. The AC in her Focus has not worked for about 6 months.

In the past 25 years her cars have been: 1981 Toyota Starlet 1300cc hatchback; 1983 Toyota Starlet 1300cc hatchback; 1986 Dodge Colt 1500cc Hatchback; 1990 Suzuki Swift 1300cc Hatchback; 1993 Ford Festiva 1300cc Hatchback; 2000 Ford Focus ZX3 2.3 liter hatchback. The Focus is the largest, most powerful car she has ever owned, but it gets the worst mileage at about 32 mpg.

She likes "cute" cars. Her favorite was the '83 Starlet; very nimble, very economical, pretty darn quick with only 1300cc because it only weighed 1725 lbs. Her next favorite (and the most reliable; longest time, most miles and fewest repairs) was the Ford Festiva made by Kia. She thinks the ZX3 is "cute with an attitude". The Suzuki Swift was the least well-made and was traded off quicker than any other.

Until the Focus, the most we ever paid for her car, brand new, was $6,000. The Focus was $12,000.

She will consider any brand of car. I will not permit her to have a car made by General Motors; a car made by someone else with a GM nameplate is marginally acceptable. Don't even bother debating with me; GM is OUT.

Personally, I'm leaning towards the MINI; the standard one, not the "S". I thought she'd go nuts over it when she saw it; small, light, nimble, quick and cute. But, it didn't click with her. When she finds a car she likes, she notices every one she sees and comments on it: "There's another Festiva!" She never even notices the MINIs. It's probably also more money than she'd like to spend.

What she has been noticing is the PT Cruiser. Part of it is because it's "cute"; a big part of it is because she's a Physical Therapist, usually abbreviated to PT, who "cruises" to the patients' homes; so it makes sense that the PT "cruiser" drives a PT Cruiser. And, coincidentally enough, many of her PT colleagues do have one.

Further, one of her patients has a PT Cruiser convertible. I know she's interested, because she mentioned it to me; even mentioned the color. I looked it up; the base model comes with a 5 speed, and is list-priced at right around $20,000. That's more money than she has ever spent, and more money than her frugal nature would like to spend, but she is also getting much closer to cutting back her hours and semi-retiring. She will never completely retire; she loves it so much, she'd probably volunteer to see the patients if they wouldn't pay her any longer. But, after all these years of being frugal, she seems ready to let her hair blow a little. Part of it might also be my health and the fact that she wants to enjoy what time we might yet have together.

Comments, please on 2 things: Sugggestions for other cars that might suit her unique personality, and comments/warnings/wisdom about the PT Cruiser.
 
OkeeDon said:
She does not care for air conditioning and does not use it if the car has it. Thus, the seals dry out and when her AC is used, hers fail more quickly than others. The AC in her Focus has not worked for about 6 months.

The PT Cruiser would suite her well. We've been looking at them online, and found something peculiar for a new car these days-- power windows are standard but air conditioning is an option. :confused: :confused:

OkeeDon said:
Personally, I'm leaning towards the MINI; the standard one, not the "S". I thought she'd go nuts over it when she saw it; small, light, nimble, quick and cute.

What she has been noticing is the PT Cruiser. Part of it is because it's "cute"; a big part of it is because she's a Physical Therapist, usually abbreviated to PT, who "cruises" to the patients' homes; so it makes sense that the PT "cruiser" drives a PT Cruiser. And, coincidentally enough, many of her PT colleagues do have one.

Further, one of her patients has a PT Cruiser convertible. I know she's interested, because she mentioned it to me; even mentioned the color. I looked it up; the base model comes with a 5 speed, and is list-priced at right around $20,000.

Hmmmm... Mini Cooper or PT Cruiser Convertible? I would compromise and get the Mini Cooper convertible!


We're actually looking at the Focus right now, but we're looking to get one fully loaded-- anti-lock brakes, traction control, etc. We've been looking at the Focus and the Chevrolet Cobalt, but I'm like you, I have never liked GM products. However, we bought this new Cavalier last year while GM had a $4000 rebate. It's been a remarkably great car, but we have looked at and driven its replacement, the Cobalt, and we have been quite disappointed. It seems they have taken a step back, so now we're back to looking at the Focus. The Dodge Neon is definitely out (we've had one of those-- never again!), but we have tossed around looking at the PT Cruiser, we just haven't made it to the Chrysler garage yet.

Good luck with the car shopping! If you have the money, spend it on something you will enjoy, including buying the options that will make you confortable. We usually buy compact cars, but we get them fully loaded. I figure if I'm making payments for so many years, I might as well have something I won't get tired of quickly!
 
According to Consumer Reports (take it for what you will), they rate the PT Cruiser as one of the most reliable American made vehicles on the road behind the Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis/Town Car thing. My step mom had one and loved it. It seems that one of the few down side things about them is that they drop in book value rather quickly. You can get a year old one for 40% off MSRP (or more off than that at times - it really depends).

Of the whole lot you mentioned as choices, that is the only one I have actual personal experience with. Good luck, and I won't even ask about the GM thing; although it does baffle me a bit...
 
I won't even ask about the GM thing; although it does baffle me a bit...
I figured someone would mention it. My first GM car was a 1950 Chevy fastback I bought for $100. The fiber timing gear went out a couple of times; lousy design. I had a '48 Chevy for a while; vacuum shift; lousy design, along with the closed driveshaft.

I stayed away from GM until 1977 when I went into real estate. Around here at that time, a successful agent drove a Cadillac. I bought a '73; most of my customers didn't have a clue it wasn't new. Radiator split in half; dealer told me it was a lousy design. I had lots of other problems, also, but they could be attributed to the fact that it wasn't new. I traded that in 1980 for a down-sized '77 Caddy. The transmission cooked; the service manager told me that some of the Caddy's had Chevette trannies, and mine was one of them. Lousy design. When the AC evaporator went out, the dealer had to remove the hood to remove the evaporator, and the mechanic dropped the hood onto the windshield and broke it. I guess that wasn't GM's fault, or maybe it was lousy design .

Then, after it was nearly impossible to keep that 4 year-old car running, in 1981 I traded it for a new Oldsmobile Cutlass Brougham. What a lemon. Pait was orange-peeled, doors didn't fit, gear shift knob broke in half, dome light cover kept falling off, buttons popped in the loose-cushion upholstery -- and that was in the first 4 months! Those Cutlass and Skylark 4-doors had fixed rear windows, so they had power vent windows in the back edge of the rear doors. The vents were held to the operator by a plastic clip that started breaking right after they were introduced. I had a friend with a '79 Skylark who went through about 8 of the clips under warranty. Two years later, they were stll using the same clips, and I went through about 8 in the first 6 months. We couldn't keep the front end aligned. At 11 ,000 miles, with nearly full tread on the tires, the steel belts popped out on both front tires. The dealer had tried to align it several times.

The transmission "hunted" between 3 and OD at about 35 MPH, and banged every time it shifted in or out. The front suspension "squonked" every time I stepped on the brakes; probably related to the alignment. The car was leased through the dealer. When the tires popped, at about 11 months, I drove it onto his lot with a friend following me, got out and left it there with the keys in it, and rode away with my friend. When they called me and told me I couldn't break the lease, I said, "Sue me." I never heard from them again.

I didn't get another GM untl 1995 when we bought our 1988 Pace Arrow on a Chevy P30 chassis. What a piece of junk. I have over $3,000 invested in the front end to repair the problems, a large chunk of which went to parts that would work. For example, there is a bell-crank in the steering system that is known to fail about every 5,000 miles. It only has one bearing at one end of the crank, and fails from pre-loading. The solution is to buy something called a super-steer crank that cost me $600 plus installation, but doesn't fail. Camping World has them nowadays for $300, but I was stuck in a strange town with a coach that wouldn't steer, so I paid the price that was asked and was lucky to get it.

The 454 in this piece of crap gets 5.5 mpg on a good day, after experts have tuned it. The exhaust manifolds split at the tip of a hat, and get so hot the spark plug wires are crispy critters. I fixed that one with ceramic spark plug boots that are almost 6" long before the wire starts; they cost $180 for the set.

No siree, not me, never again, no GM, lousy design, poor build quality, never had as many problems with all of my other vehicles combined as I did with any one individual GM vehicle.
 
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