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Transgender Woman to be the 1st compete in the Olympic Games

Melensdad

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Tokyo Olympic Games are going to be unusual for many reasons, first Covid is ravaging Japan at the moment and the games may well take place without spectators, or at least minimal spectators. But there is also another reason. A biological male, which underwent a surgical sex change about a decade ago + still undergoes hormone therapy, will be competing as a women in the weight lifting competition.


Tokyo Olympics: Kiwi weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to become first transgender athlete to compete at the Games

20 Jun, 2021 05:10 PM
Kiwi weightlifter Laurel Hubbard will make history at the Tokyo Olympics by becoming the first transgender athlete to compete at the Games.
Hubbard has been named among five weightlifting athletes selected to the New Zealand Team.
Hubbard, who won silver at the 2017 world championships and represented New Zealand at the 2018 Commonwealth Games before suffering a serious injury in competition, will likely become the first transgender athlete to compete at the Olympics.
While she will be the oldest weightlifter at the Games, she will also be a genuine medal hopeful with her qualifying lifts ranking her at fourth out of the 14 qualifiers in the 87kg-plus category.
Laurel Hubbard competing at the 2018 Gold Coast Commonwealth Games. Photo / Getty
Laurel Hubbard competing at the 2018 Gold Coast Commonwealth Games. Photo / Getty
The weightlifting team is Kanah Andrews-Nahu (women's -87kg), Hubbard (women's +87kg), Megan Signal (women's -76kg), David Liti (men's +109kg) and Cameron McTaggart (men's -81kg.
Hubbard's historic achievement for trans athletes will likely also spark controversy from others who insist she has an unfair advantage.
In 2015, the IOC issued new guidelines allowing athletes who transition from male to female to compete in the women's category provided their testosterone levels are below 10 nanomoles per litre for at least 12 months prior to their first competition – a rule also followed by the International Weightlifting Federation.
However, recent studies suggest transgender women maintain an athletic advantage over their cisgender peers even after a year on hormone therapy.
Hubbard has competed in men's weightlifting competitions before transitioning in 2013 but didn't compete internationally.
Her gold medal wins at the 2019 Pacific Games in Samoa, where she beat Samoa's Commonwealth Games champion Feagaiga Stowers, sparked outrage in the island nation.
 

Doc

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With all the publicity there seems to be enough of these freaks to let them have their own trans only competition. For them to be allowed to compete against women is a travesty to all women in my opinion.
 

XeVfTEUtaAqJHTqq

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All the "true" women athletes need to boycott now or forever lose their chance for fair competition. This is so destructive to the hard work and struggle that true female athlete's go through to excel in their sports.
 

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I agree that they shouldn't be allowed to compete in the women's category.

let them have their own trans only competition.
I like this idea.
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I know this is off topic, but I've just got to say it :mrgreen:.
Somebody needs to send that person a razor. I find all that underarm hair on a "woman" beyond gross.
 

Melensdad

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My concern, as a coach, is that there will be men's events dominated by men, and women's events dominated by men.

I know 3 transgenders, I understand their desire to compete, but the biological males (2 of them) are better, bigger, stronger, faster than their biological female counterparts who have similar training. The 1 female to male transgender I know is not competitive against biological males.
 

FrancSevin

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It's a war but only the true females can fight it. If they don't fight now they may never win.
I agree. men have little if any credibility here. The most men can do is support the women brave enough to fight this insult to fair sports.

Otherwise, if a man cannot compete with other men he will by this policy, be able to legally cheat.
Laurel was a male in puberty when her bones and muscle structures were formed. And now she can have five times the level of testosterone as a woman.

No matter the testosterone levels, she starts with an advantage. It's a cheat.

Question, if the male trans to female must take hormones to cheat and compete against women, isn't that about the the same as doping?

Not medically of course, but strategically.

Second question, is it legal for young women to take testosterone to the level to which Laurel is allowed? Five times normal!
Would that be considered fair even against other women?

Putting aside the ideas and arguments that the concept is right or wrong, the advantage is clear and that is certainly wrong.
 

Melensdad

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And people who use common sense seem to object.

Why don't the WOKE officials wake the f-up? FULL STORY AT THE LINK:



Laurel Hubbard Tokyo Olympics: Petition calls for transgender athlete to be banned from competition

The public feel 'betrayed' by the Olympic committee's decision to allow Laurel Hubbard to compete in the women's weightlifting division, with 21,000 signing a petition calling for the rules to be overhauled moving forward.

The 43-year-old competitive weightlifter was selected to represent New Zealand at the 2021 Tokyo Olympics - making her the first transgender athlete to compete at sport's highest level.

But when Daily Mail Australia revealed she captained her high school team to glory at Auckland's exclusive Saint Kentigern Boys' College in 1994, thousands of outraged readers suggested her inclusion in the female division was distinctly unfair.

'So many women feel betrayed,' a woman who knew Laurel when she was younger said.

'[Laurel] should pull out of the team.'

Hubbard transitioned from a man to a woman in 2012 at the age of 35, after training and competing in male weightlifting competitions since she was a teenager.

Laurel just before she transitioned at 35 years old. Pictured (right) with her parents, including former Auckland Mayor Richard 'Dick' Hubbard' (centre)

Laurel just before she transitioned at 35 years old. Pictured (right) with her parents, including former Auckland Mayor Richard 'Dick' Hubbard' (centre)

Laurel Hubbard (centre, as Gavin) attended Saint Kentigern's Boys' College where she captained the weightlifting team in 1994

Laurel Hubbard (centre, as Gavin) attended Saint Kentigern's Boys' College where she captained the weightlifting team in 1994

A poll conducted by Daily Mail Australia revealed 96 per cent of participants - 2,418 readers - thought it was unfair that Hubbard had taken the place of another female athlete in the competition.

Just 88 votes supported the action.

A poll conducted by Daily Mail Australia revealed 96 per cent of participants - 2,418 readers - thought it was unfair that Hubbard had taken the place of another female athlete in the competition

A poll conducted by Daily Mail Australia revealed 96 per cent of participants - 2,418 readers - thought it was unfair that Hubbard had taken the place of another female athlete in the competition
A minority argued she is within the rules of the sport, therefore should be welcomed in the competition.

'Laurel Hubbard has NOT broken any rules set out by the governance of sport,' one supporter said. '[She] is a fully transitioned transsexual. She is according to the rules.'

Others pointed out that while Hubbard captained his weightlifting team as a teenager, his results in junior competitions would never have seen him qualify for a position on the men's senior national team.

Hubbard came first in the 99kg over 16s Junior National Championships and second in the 108kg weight division at the Northern Region Secondary School Championships.

But the school 1994 yearbook reveals he was named only as a non travelling reserve for an international team which would represent New Zealand in Australia later that year.

Now, as Laurel, the 43-year-old is one of the top female weightlifters in New Zealand, and was among the first selected to represent the nation in Tokyo next month.

Close to 22,000 people have signed a petition stating the rules which allowed Hubbard to qualify as a woman - namely that her testosterone levels are below the qualifying amount and that she identifies as a woman - are not fair and should be scrapped.

'This completely ignores the physical advantages in speed, height, stamina and strength that a male-born athlete will have,' the petition reads.

Close to 22,000 people have signed a petition stating the rules which allowed Hubbard to qualify as a woman - namely that her testosterone levels are below the qualifying amount and that she identifies as a woman - are not fair and should be scrapped

Close to 22,000 people have signed a petition stating the rules which allowed Hubbard to qualify as a woman - namely that her testosterone levels are below the qualifying amount and that she identifies as a woman - are not fair and should be scrapped

Laurel Hubbard (circled, as Gavin) transitioned from a man to a woman in 2012 at 35, after training and competing in male weightlifting competitions since she was a teenager

Laurel Hubbard (circled, as Gavin) transitioned from a man to a woman in 2012 at 35, after training and competing in male weightlifting competitions since she was a teenager

'Women were not consulted and did not consent to this policy which will make a complete mockery of their sport.'

Hubbard understands that her selection will be divisive and a point of contention heading into the Olympic games.

'When [people] are shown something that may be new and different to what they know, it's instinctive to be defensive,' she said during her last known interview in 2017.

'It's not really my job to change what they think, what they feel and what they believe. I just hope they look at the bigger picture, rather than just trusting whatever their gut may have told them.'

'I'm just me.'

Students from her 1994 graduating class remember her only as 'Gavin' - an academic and quiet student who spent most of his days training in the gym at their $22,000-a-year school.

How Hubbard was eligible to be selected for the women's team​

Laurel Hubbard's inclusion in the Tokyo games has divided the public, with many arguing that it is unfair given she went through puberty as a male.
But the International Olympic Committee overhauled transgender athlete guidelines in 2015, meaning competitors who have transitioned from male to female can compete in the female category without undergoing complete surgery - provided their testosterone levels are kept below 10 nanomoles per litre for at least 12 months.
Hubbard well and truly exceeded those guidelines.
New Zealand Olympic Committee chief executive, Kereyn Smith said while it was true Hubbard met the eligibility criteria, she said it was understandable that there was a debate between fairness and inclusion.
'We acknowledge that gender identity in sport is a highly sensitive and complex issue requiring a balance between human rights and fairness on the field of play,' she said.
Hubbard understands that her selection will be divisive and a point of contention heading into the Olympic games

Hubbard understands that her selection will be divisive and a point of contention heading into the Olympic games

Hubbard (pictured post-transition) rarely gives interviews but told Radio New Zealand in 2017 that she just wanted to compete in the sport she loves and had 'blocked out' criticism
 

Melensdad

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Interesting article.





A Gold Medal Question: Should Women's Sports Even Exist?

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The Tokyo Olympics prompted the latest furor over transgender participation in women’s sports. It came when New Zealand named a transgender woman (above) to its weightlifting team. This athlete’s participation raises questions far beyond this Olympics or that particular sport. The same questions arise whenever a transgender person competes at any level, from high school to world-class. When the winner takes the victory stand, biological women can’t help but wonder if they were treated fairly. Transgender athletes respond, pointedly, that it would be unfair to exclude them. “She’s a woman,” they say. “This is a woman’s event. So she should compete.”
The problem with this debate is that it raises other fundamental questions: Should we have women’s sports at all? Why? What is the rationale—and how compelling is it?
The answers to those questions provide an answer to whether transgender athletes should compete in women’s sporting events.
A century ago, the answers would have been obvious. Men and women were separated for all sorts of reasons—social, cultural, and biological. Mixed competition would have been unthinkable. Today, our norms about gender and sex are substantially different. The default is that men and women should be treated identically. Treating them differently, such as separating them in competition, requires a strong rationale, at least in liberal, Western societies. Separate treatment violates deeply held modern norms, which oppose discrimination because of irrelevant criteria, such as race, sex, gender, religion, and national origin.
We consider it a national disgrace that black baseball players were excluded from Major League Baseball until Jackie Robinson ran onto the field on April 15, 1947. His race had no bearing on his skill as a ball player. Yet no one today would celebrate Rory McIlroy or Dustin Johnson “integrating” the women’s professional golf tour.
Why the objections to McIlroy or Johnson on the women’s tour? For the same reason golf courses provide separate tees for women, the same reason the WNBA uses a smaller basketball than their male counterparts, the same reason there are thriving women’s leagues in tennis, soccer, bowling, and dozens more. It is not about the social construction of gender; it is about biological differences that bear directly on performance.
Biological males and females differ systematically in size, strength, speed, height, lung capacity, and agility. Acknowledging those differences is separate from respecting how any individual self-identifies. Given our widely shared opposition to discrimination, those physical differences are the only reason to permit separate events. If gender differences don’t matter for a particular sport, then the rationale for separate events is weaker than our liberal ideal of non-discrimination.
We would never permit, much less require, this kind of gender separation in chess tournaments. It would violate our basic norms demanding equal treatment unless there are very powerful reasons to treat people differently. Those reasons and their persuasiveness will differ from sport to sport. They hardly matter for equine events like show jumping and dressage. They probably don’t matter for target shooting. But they do matter for archery. Top male athletes pull their bows with higher “draw weights” than do top females, so they can shoot arrows with flatter trajectories, less affected by crosswinds. The differences matter in golf, too. On the men’s professional tour, the average drive is 295.5 yards. On the women’s tour, even the longest hitter doesn’t drive the ball that far.
What about competition in the Boston Marathon, where male winners finish 10 to 15 minutes faster than women? That difference is prima facia evidence that we should crown separate winners. A more interesting fact is that Kenyan men and women win the races nearly every year, consistently beating Americans and Europeans. Yet we would rightly consider it invidious racism to segregate marathons by race or national origin. So, why isn’t it invidious sexism to crown separate men and women winners? The answer lies in our common-sense recognition that men and women have major physical differences.
The Olympics certainly recognizes these consequential differences. In Tokyo, men and women will compete against each other only in equestrian events and one division of sailing.
This kind of separation may not last forever. Social norms are changing. But, for now, we still hold separate sports competitions for men and women, and we do so solely because of their systematic physical differences. If that is the only compelling rationale for separating sports by gender, then it should be the only rationale in determining transgender participation.
The best way to resolve this issue is to step back and ask yourself: Is there any compelling reason to hold separate competition for men and women in this particular sport? The answer might be different for golf, shot put, target shooting, or dressage. If the answer is “Yes, there are strong reasons in this particular sport,” then that same rationale answers the question, “Should transgender women compete against other women in this sport?”
Put simply, if there are good reasons for holding separate competitions at all, then transgender women should not compete against other women.
 

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All this trans crap aside, I'll probably watch some of the games - perhaps begrudgingly.
I've always been a fan of the games and want to see our legit USA team members compete.
 
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