The cabin remodel

m1west

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My plan after retirement in 2 years, unless everything keeps falling apart and inflation screws that up. I plan to do extended stays up there of months at a time, both summer and winter. By that time it should be livable. Its actually better now than some of the places we lived as a kid. My sister and I were just joking about that. At least has heat and electricity, couple times as a kid we didn't have that.
 

FrancSevin

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If you move to Hippie ridge, you will have to retire or move the business, that commute would be brutal.


The wife thinks we could move there and live. I know the truth is that we could live there and survive. The business will die without me driving it. I don't think my son has the spunk and spurs to keep it going. So it will shut down. Some parts may go tocustomer one of which is in Springfield MO, near Hippie Ridge.

I would love to live off grid. I don't believe most people, including my wife, understand what that actually will be like.

No internet
Running water if you run, don't walk, to the well or creek
Laundry isn't a pod tossed in a machine and push a button
Cooking requires more that defrosting meat and starting the stove.
Dishes have to be washed BY HAND!
Leisure time is virtually nonexistent. If you have too much of it, you don't exist for long.
The garden produces food if you work at it, and learn how to can it.
The daily routine is the same struggle every day.
The necessities of life, TP, bacon, scotch become very dear.
It never goes away until you die.
 

m1west

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Yes living off grid, without running water, electricity or internet would be tough.
I have all those things at the cabin, winter would still be tough.
I don't plan on living there. where I live is great 9 months of the year with 3 months of f*&^king hot. we are in the last few days of that here now. I have confidence my son will be able to run the business, he knows all the customers, some on a personal level and they like him.
My plan is to live here in Valley Springs and do extended stays on the mountain. I would like it done to where its just the fun place to go, but in reality is I will likely finish the inside over the next year or so is realistic.
Then move outside and who knows what I will think of, right now outside includes adding natural stone to the exterior thats laying everywhere up there and an outside kitchen with a big wood burning stone oven to do big pieces of meat on holidays, like a small pig or a whole rack of prime rib.
 

Melensdad

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When we built out in the country we built a combination of our dream home & our cabin in the woods.

Now it is too big, with too many windows and too inefficient. I keep looking at solar and wind power but my state is smart enough to not offer me "tax incentives" (paid for by my neighbors) to install that stuff so it is not actually economically feasible to put a solar roof on my home. And the lovely Mrs_Bob likes when I have the swimming pool set to 90 (F) degrees. So we are not really the most efficient home in the area!!!

This year I put new heat reflecting solar film on the windows, that helped a lot. I turned the pool heater down, and now turn it up the day before I expect she will jump in. But we are a long way away from living "off grid" given the size and lifestyle we lead. I'd love to be more independent.

Two water systems, two septic systems, 2 generators (1 full home NG system + 1 emergency gasoline), but a long way away from cabin living.
 

FrancSevin

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Loading up for a week long construction period at Hippie Ridge.
My gravel guy has let me down so I will be hauling and unloading 3 pickup loads of 1" minus base rock.
The prefab cabin shell arrives this Thursday.
Cathy and I cleared and fixed the incoming road. 3/4 of a mile we blazed thru the woods during the last year.
The house comes Thursday AM. I told the guy, "Bring chainsaws and loppers for the county gravel road coming in."

Once set, I plan to hook up temporary power with some Romex off the meter pole.

I have 60 "H" blocks and some lumber in the way. Like 20 or so 16' treated 6x6's. and 4x4's. I should move them and dig a trench to put that Romex in pipe so the cows don't disturb it. I could then use that wire to pull the big wire for main power this winter.

I will be off the internet until this coming Sunday night.
 

m1west

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Loading up for a week long construction period at Hippie Ridge.
My gravel guy has let me down so I will be hauling and unloading 3 pickup loads of 1" minus base rock.
The prefab cabin shell arrives this Thursday.
Cathy and I cleared and fixed the incoming road. 3/4 of a mile we blazed thru the woods during the last year.
The house comes Thursday AM. I told the guy, "Bring chainsaws and loppers for the county gravel road coming in."

Once set, I plan to hook up temporary power with some Romex off the meter pole.

I have 60 "H" blocks and some lumber in the way. Like 20 or so 16' treated 6x6's. and 4x4's. I should move them and dig a trench to put that Romex in pipe so the cows don't disturb it. I could then use that wire to pull the big wire for main power this winter.

I will be off the internet until this coming Sunday night.
take pictures
 

chowderman

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a local farm stand with an adjoining 'dip' got . . . 60-80 tons? / mega heap . . .of crushed stone dumped there....
I'll be curious to see what the plans are.

Ii have moved crusted stone - shovels and garden tractor cart.... not gonna' ever do that again.
 

FrancSevin

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take pictures
I did. I'll post on Monday.

Got the site ready by Thursday AM. Ranthe incoming route and measured to be sure the unit would fit.

Still the Delivery guys managed to ruin the front half or the roofing against a tree trunk.

Unit is OK but the sheet meatal roof needs to be replaced. And one corner needs some carpentry work.

They settled the house on the gravel pad, and we bumped it a bit back and forth. Level as lake water. No leveling wedges required. Just as I planned.

I wired it with a 20 amp quad box for starters.
Set more 1' minus gravel around the base to secure it.
Ordered 24 ton of ballast rock for the front porch retaining wall work. I'll be setting 120 "H" block retaining wall bricks and back filling with ballast rock.

Then spent two days clearing weeds and junk, burning more of the termite infested lumber, and spraying the long driveway for weeds and grass.
 

m1west

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I did. I'll post on Monday.

Got the site ready by Thursday AM. Ranthe incoming route and measured to be sure the unit would fit.

Still the Delivery guys managed to ruin the front half or the roofing against a tree trunk.

Unit is OK but the sheet meatal roof needs to be replaced. And one corner needs some carpentry work.

They settled the house on the gravel pad, and we bumped it a bit back and forth. Level as lake water. No leveling wedges required. Just as I planned.

I wired it with a 20 amp quad box for starters.
Set more 1' minus gravel around the base to secure it.
Ordered 24 ton of ballast rock for the front porch retaining wall work. I'll be setting 120 "H" block retaining wall bricks and back filling with ballast rock.

Then spent two days clearing weeds and junk, burning more of the termite infested lumber, and spraying the long driveway for weeds and grass.
Sounds like a weekend success. Its always nice to get something big done, I never made it to the work cabin yet, first the dog got the shits, then it started raining here. Not going to get much done outside in the rain. The weather cooled a lot here and no rain forecasted, so the trip is planned for later this week.
 

m1west

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The weather, time and work is finally going to let me goto the cabin tomorrow. Report upon return
 

Gary O'

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I would love to live off grid. I don't believe most people, including my wife, understand what that actually will be like.

No internet
Running water if you run, don't walk, to the well or creek
Laundry isn't a pod tossed in a machine and push a button
Cooking requires more that defrosting meat and starting the stove.
Dishes have to be washed BY HAND!
Leisure time is virtually nonexistent. If you have too much of it, you don't exist for long.
The garden produces food if you work at it, and learn how to can it.
The daily routine is the same struggle every day.
The necessities of life, TP, bacon, scotch become very dear.
I coulda written this

Few actually live off grid in a mountain cabin
Not very many of those that do, stay for long

Leisure time is dear
The rest of it becomes redundant after the first couple years
 

m1west

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m1west

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The roof is almost done, water and wind tight. Worse project up there hands down was the roof. I went there Wednesday and it rained so didn't get much done, Thursday I got out there at daylight. There were 36- 15-1/2" z channels that had to be installed on the peak to get above the standing rib, for the ridge cap to snap onto. I was fresh and could sit on the ridge for most of that, but it was still difficult. Next it was time for the ridge cap. The roof is 10 on 12 pitch for the snow, with the new roof its super slippery to where you have to get a run at it on the low roof and the success rate of getting to the top is 50/50 at best. When I got up there I couldn't sit on the ridge anymore due to bending the z channels, so the only way not to slide down is to push your feet out sideways into the ribs with enough force to hold you then work with one hand. There is not a lot of clearance between the inside crimp on the ridge cap and the z channel so snapping them on was no fun at all. The z channels took around 2 hours, the ridge cap took more than 4 hours because of fatigue and many tries. When I got the ridge cap all done I sat down in the cabin for 30 minutes and it was difficult to get back up. The next morning every muscle in my body was hurting from doing isometrics trying not to slide, and I have been working out regular at home. I sealed the lower roof seam with buttle tape just because there are high winds up there when raining and wanted to eliminate any chance of leaking. The upper roof leads over the low roof more than 6" and sealing it was over kill, but whatever, its done. Also I started hemming the roof around the plywood underlayment, I started with the corners because the outside of the corners were not screwed down. I will do that when the z channels are installed for the flashing, that won't happen until I stone the exterior. Its done enough to where its not going to come loose or leak anywhere. When I walked in the cabin when I got there it had been raining off and on for weeks. The first thing I noticed was how dry it felt in there. In the past when it rained a lot it always felt damp and cold. I guess it was worth all the trouble, just didn't fell like it when I was doing it. All the hard structural jobs are done now, its time to move to the finish work. Im really happy with the solar also. Turn the hot water tank on at around 9am, water hot at noon then shut it off, stays hot until the next day. During the day you could run everything un effecting the battery charge. At night, I used the microwave a couple times, pressure pump when flushing the toilet or using the sink, LED lights, computer etc. Go to sleep around 9pm. Next morning use the coffee maker , pressure pump and microwave before daylight. Full charge is 30.1 volts, in the morning it is still around 23 volts, it goes low voltage and cuts off at 19 volts. When I add a washer/ dryer and refrigerator I will also add another battery pack. All the big stuff like hot water tank and refridgrerator will be on timers. I think the inverters parasitic drain is using as much battery as the appliances at night. I could shut the inverter off but then I couldn't flush the toilet or make coffee in the morning without going to the container and turning it back on.Im wondering if I can set up a remote to turn it on and off from the cabin. If you practice what your mom told you and turn the lights off and don't waist energy its acceptable. The only time I felt short of electricity up there was during the fires last year, solar doesn't work through smoke very well at all. While I was there I disconnected the spring line from the water tank and drained the water from everything in the cabin. Im not sure if I will get back up there before the freeze. Over and out.
 

Gary O'

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I was fresh and could sit on the ridge for most of that, but it was still difficult. Next it was time for the ridge cap. The roof is 10 on 12 pitch for the snow, with the new roof its super slippery to where you have to get a run at it on the low roof and the success rate of getting to the top is 50/50 at best. When I got up there I couldn't sit on the ridge anymore due to bending the z channels, so the only way not to slide down is to push your feet out sideways into the ribs with enough force to hold you then work with one hand.
Yeah, I gave my shop roof a 12/12 pitch
Snow load
and
Easy cuts

finished front.jpg2.jpg


Heh, metal is extremely slippery

I used an extension ladder on the scaffold to lay on

Wife took a pic when I was laying the felt;

felt on shop roof.jpg2.jpg

Stretching out with my arm, and my leg the other way for balance, to sink a screw just outa reach, so I didn't have to move that ladder again




Yeah, sore
 

m1west

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Yeah, I gave my shop roof a 12/12 pitch
Snow load
and
Easy cuts

View attachment 155388

Heh, metal is extremely slippery

I used an extension ladder on the scaffold to lay on

Wife took a pic when I was laying the felt;

View attachment 155392
Stretching out with my arm, and my leg the other way for balance, to sink a screw just outa reach, so I didn't have to move that ladder again




Yeah, sore
Its a lot of fun. Just glad I didn't have to do anything on the back side, the panels are around 14' then around 13' onto rocks, because the cabin sits on a slope the rock foundation is bout 5' then 8 ' wall
 
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